Kylo Ren Junk Saber Build

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  1. JJ Griffin

    JJ Griffin Sr Member

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    Getting this bad boy modeled. Will print it off our Taz 4, clean it, beat the tar out of it, and mold it for casting (either cold cast or resin). The infamous "red wire" will not be apart of the mold but attached afterwards. This will be hollow to allow for the insertion of electronics and saber blades. Here's what was most likely the rubber "stunt" saber on display at C7:

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    Here's our progress thus far:

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    :) Thanks for reading
     
  2. Andrewhitc

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    Wohoo, can't wait for finish and maybe for sell a complete or model))
     
  3. Chicagovader

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    Color me interested :)
     
  4. Anakin Starkiller

    Anakin Starkiller Master Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Your model looks great. But I think that the grip looks a little short to me. I would stretch it out a bit.

    Dan
     
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  5. BorbaFett

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    i'm totally new to all of this, so forgive me if this is already common knowledge. i was at celebration, and the saber said "3D printed." so i'm not sure if it was rubber. looked more like plastic to me.
     
  6. clembot

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    Rad! Would be amazing if you could somehow texturise the blades (when you get to that) or make the ends jagged to get that "sputtering" effect!
     
  7. JJ Griffin

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    How's this look, gang?

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  8. The Amazing SM

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    That is stunning!! You can count me in also
     
  9. JJ Griffin

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    I know that's what the plaque said, but I believe it is either a resin or rubber "stunt" cast (with maybe the Hero version being 3D printed). As another poster pointed out, it has some pretty ugly seam lines as well as what is presumably a lot of loss in detail, both of which are common in rubber casts.

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  10. Anakin Starkiller

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    Amazing that these pictures showed up a couple days ago, and today you have this drawn up.
    Crazy how things have changed from the old plumbing parts days. :)

    Nice work
     
  11. JJ Griffin

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    All credit goes to the incredible Lael Lee! Our real work comes later... :) Loving the feedback, guys, if there are any changes you want to see made now's the time!
     
  12. ARKM

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    I guess it all depends on how close you want to get it the one at Celebration Anaheim 2015. Don't get me wrong, what you've done so far is excellent but there are places where to me, it's not accurate to the prop from Celebration. Also, if you are going to design it to take electronics, you have to decide what blade thickness to use. When it comes to blades that light up, only 1 percent of 1 percent of custom saber owners have ever used blades smaller than 3/4" in diameter. However, to stay true to the prop, you would probably have to go 5/8" in diameter for all three blades. This could make it hard to sell. However upping the blade diameter to 3/4" dia. will make it look noticeably different from the actual prop. Maybe a poll thread for this would be a good idea to see if people are willing to go for 5/8" dia. for accuracy's sake or would prefer some inaccuracies in order to use the more common 3/4" dia. blades.

    Another possible issue is that I noticed in your render that you have included the "male" part of the clip that goes into the "female" part of the clip on the belt. You might want to leave that part out so that people can screw on the real clip once it's sourced and found (or made anew by machinists). Just my two cents.
     
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  13. JJ Griffin

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    Thanks for all that! The plan at the moment is to make the main emitter accept 1" and the side emitters take 3/4". If people want to use smaller blades, we will machine "fitters" to slot into the socket to bring them down to other sizes, maybe, but we want to go for the two most common sizes of blades (thankfully also the largest), since you can always narrow a larger socket down, but there's no way to make a small socket bigger.

    If you can point out the areas where you see inaccuracies in MSPaint or something, it'd be a huge help!

    And yeah, we actually decided tonight to simply leave the clip off. We'll 3D print it separately to offer as well for people to screw on or add their own if another source is found.
     
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  14. usajdm

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    * you guys are quick.
    Lael is Awsome!
    Put me on the list when this is ready.
     
  15. ARKM

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    Sure thing. I hope I'm being helpful.

    If my interpretation of the dimensions of the prop are accurate (and that's a big "if"), the reason the two side blades would have to be 5/8" in dia. is because the tube that holds the blade is only 3/4" in dia. with a 1/16" thick wall, with the half shroud being cut from a pipe that is either 7/8" or 15/16" in dia. with either a 1/16" or 3/32" thick wall. As such, using a smaller dia. blade with an adapter tube to fit a 3/4" socket is not going to help your version look more accurate. I'm only referring to what I think the dimensions of the actual prop are when the light saber is "turned off" and what that real prop can accommodate blade wise. Personally I think that the main blade emitter is only 1" to 1-1/16" in diameter which would also mean using a blade less than 1" in dia. Again, this is only my opinion, I could easily be off in what I think the dimensions are.

    Other than that, as to what looks off to me in your render is... I think that the angle of the half shrouds on each half pipe looks too long and as such, not steep enough, the area where the side pipe half shroud meets the hilt main body should not have the gap that is does and that the top "shoulder" that appears to be the same diameter as the half shrouds are too far away from the main blade emitter. Here's a pic...

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    Basically I think that the areas in between the arrows are to far apart and the other red slash shows more of what I think the half shroud angle should be.

    I have 28 different pics (no duplicates) of Kylo Ren's saber from Celebration that I gleaned off the net. Please let me know if you want me to zip them up for you and upload them to dropbox if you think they will be of any help.
     
  16. JJ Griffin

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    Thanks! Super helpful. We have a ton of hi-res pic as well. We'll pass your suggestions along to Lael :)
     
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  17. KaanE

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    The only and one thing I would change would be the depth of the cutout. It looks to be deeper on the original prop than on the render. I mean, pushing deeper the electronic bits inside the cut.
     
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  18. JJ Griffin

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    Thanks KaanE, it would be awesome if we could inset that portion further but unfortunately we need to maintain an internal diameter of 1.25" throughout the entirety of the prop, and insetting that "sunken" portion any further beneath the surface would mean we'd have to make the rest of the prop much more bulky in order to maintain that. Maybe if that damage was in a different spot we could "cheat" but unfortunately for a "functional" lightsaber the LED heatsinks pretty much go EXACTLY where that damage is. :/ Although if anyone has any suggestions for ways to work around this restriction we'd love to hear 'em. :)
     
  19. KaanE

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    Well, I never had the functional idea in my head... LOL
     
  20. JJ Griffin

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    Oh, haha! Yeah we figured making them able to be "functional" stunt sabers would make them more useful to more of the community.

    Here's a few pics from better angles to show the depth of the "internal" section. Lael really tried to get it as deep as he could:

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  21. KaanE

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    I think I'm in love with that thing...
     
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  23. RooBee

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    Want.That.Now.

    Great work! The details are perfect :)
     
  24. Duncan

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    Looking pretty solid so far!

    My biggest concern is that in the sabre displayed at the convention, the cross-guard emitters had a noticeable bend in their placement. I don't know if this was a side-effect of it being rubber and perhaps a little droopy, or if that's a design choice to help make the hilt look a little more pieced-together and homemade. Like Kylo just kinda soldered bits together eyeballing it without a ruler.

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  25. JJ Griffin

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    Yeah we noticed the droopiness as well, but given how "straight" the crossguard looks in footage/concept art I think its just the rubber emitters sagging somewhat.
     
  26. joshvanrad

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    JJ, you've made Dremel 3000 proud. I know he's watching this from the great shop disposal bin in the sky.
     
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    Excited to see this turn into a run. When it does count me in for certain.
     
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    Please add me to the list of those interested when you do a run of them.

    Thanks
    Mark
     
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  29. JJ Griffin

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    Welp, here ya go, Lael's finished model for us. Additional wear and tear and detailing will be added to the Master by us post-print, before molding:

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  30. AgentofChaos

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    Very interested!! it's looking great so far keep up the good work. definitely include me on a list when it gets around to that time.
     
  31. STARLORD13

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    HOnestly, this is a great build. If you do sell others, I would be VERY interested.
     
  32. Chicagovader

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    Really want one! hope you do a run :D
     
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  33. JJ Griffin

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    Anyone have any ideas where the switch on this durned thing is supposed to be? The only thing I can think of is the "back" of the saber...
     
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  34. Evil Benius

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    The model came out really great and I am looking forward to seeing an actual physical item with added detail. I cannot wait to eventually get my hands on one because I like the distressed/weather look of this saber which should lead to some fun painting.

    Well done!
     
  35. Kiteera

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    Could it be that part you can see resting against the stand in this pic?
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  36. Clutch

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    Re: Kylo Ren Junk Safsber Build

    These look nothing alike to me.

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  37. JJ Griffin

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  38. NeoRutty

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    Overall I think it looks good... but if you're getting REALLY specific about accuracy, then a part by part breakdown will find some pretty big differences.

    Depends on how accurate you're looking to get, really.
     
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  39. JJ Griffin

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    Yeah, it's certainly not perfect... but Lael is pretty certain the one on display at Star Wars Celebration is not only a stunt saber, but likely not even 3D printed-- rather, cast from rubber-- and thus likely is missing a lot of the finer details and accuracy of the actual Hero model.

    Since we can't confirm whether it's the actual screen look or just a facsimile, Lael didn't want to throw dozens of hours into it. We're gonna do what we can post-print to match it up more, of course!

    This should do for now until Hasbro releases a more accurate FX version ;)
     
  40. CT7567

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    Count me in too! This would be really great cold cast. And as for the blade size issue what if you made one that was accurate that couldn't hold a blade and one with the adjustments needed to hold the regular sized blade? Either way it looks fantastic! the only issue I see is that it looks a little short and I don't have one:D
     
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  41. Hanslow

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    Sign me up for updates, definitely want one of these!
     
  42. joshvanrad

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    Lael knows all, sees all. Respect the Lael.
     
  43. Bogleo

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    When you say Lael, do you mean RPF member laellee ?
     
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  44. Kiteera

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    Adding onto the list. I want one too! :D
     
  45. JJ Griffin

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    Correct!
     
  46. Clutch

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    I can live with that. And can understand not wanting to put too much into it now with the unknowns.
     
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  47. JJ Griffin

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    Yeah, believe me, I love all the tiny little details and really want to rework that section with clay/apoxie sculpt post-print... TBH I will likely spend way too much time dremeling, adding, cutting away, etc trying to get it identical to the Celebration one... but at the end of the day the "real" ones will probably look way different than the one under the glass. :/

    I don't want to sound like I'm making excuses, of course! I super appreciate the feedback, though, it's more helpful than you think! :)
     
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  48. clembot

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    Put me on the 'interested pending developments' list, it's looking great!
     
  49. ObiJuan70

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    I am totally interested in one of these :)
     
  50. JJ Griffin

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    Thanks, guys. Appreciate all the comments and continual support. I have a Marvel gig on the 28th so my printer is tied up till then; but as soon as I return from the trip I'm going to get cracking on this. :)
     
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