Kylo Ren Fabric

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  1. Sni9er

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    Hey Guys

    I've been doing some research on the Kylo Ren fabric for the Costume and have been in talks with a Mill about perhaps having some made, of course this would require a minimum order of around 50 Meters which is way more than i'd need i have a question for those building the costume or intending to:

    1: Would you be interested in the custom fabric to match the screen used fabric
    2: the Mill asked me for a price per SQ/M i said approximately £15/20 per SQ/M does this sound reasonable/would you pay it

    if not please post your thoughts on this as i'd be more than happy to arrange a purchase of a larger quantity for a cheaper price per SQ/M should the interest be there
     
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  2. Andrewhitc

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    If it is screen accurate will be , I'm in
     
  3. MasterEdi

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    Hit me up! I would be in too!
     
  4. themacalu

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    Interested too
     
  5. The Amazing SM

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    Oh hell yes! Totally interested
     
  6. Evil Benius

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    Depending on the accuracy I would be interested. Also I assume you are just talking about the outer layer fabric or are you looking at multiple fabrics on the costume?
     
  7. Sni9er

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    I'm currently only looking at the main body of fabric as i think the sleeve materiel should be easily to source/find a suitable equivalent the main fabric looks to specific a weave to be easily found so far !

    i've ordered a few commercially available samples if they are good enough i'll share that but if we need to go custom weave i just wanted to gauge interest

    i'm assuming we'd need about maybe 6/8 meters per costume max anyone else feel free to take a stab at an estimation
     
  8. Elvenguard13

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    I'd be interested in 6 meters :) I really love Kylo's costume :)
     
  9. joshvanrad

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    I'd be in for 6 meters as well if it's the accurate strand width and accurate basket-weave.

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    And just an fyi if anybody is looking for the sleeve and midcoat fabric. It's a black donegal pattern wool, I'm pretty sure. It could maybe be merino, but I'm almost positive it's donegal.
     
  10. astralrayn

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    I've got a swatch of Monk's Cloth on the way but if it's not satisfactory I'd be interested in ordering something screen-accurate if the timeframe is correct. I've gotta have everything sewn and built by the end of August.
     
  11. Sni9er

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    i'm looking at a short timeframe also as i want to get this done ASAP also
     
  12. Kiteera

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    1. Most definitely interested in acquiring screen-accurate fabric!
    2. If the price lowers a tad then definitely!

    I'm tired of trying to find fabric that matches "close enough." Can't wait to see how this develops!
     
  13. JJ Griffin

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    What do you all think of this?

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  14. joshvanrad

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    That looks like an even-weave.
     
  15. Chicagovader

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    I would be interested for sure.
     
  16. astralrayn

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    This is correct - though I think in a pinch that would work at a convention. The plaque in Kylo Ren's celebration exhibit lists this garment as "Black basket weave coated cotton". But finding the right basket weave, even in a lighter color that could be dyed, has proven to be a pain in the butt! I've poured a few hours into searching for fabric so far. The closest I've come was the correct weave, but the fabric is "fuzzy" like a velour. Yuck.
     
  17. Sni9er

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    the weave i've identified is a 3/2 weave (3 warp/2 weft) with a stabilising layer the tricky part is the center yarn which appears to have a metallic sparkle to it i also have a sample arriving soon that might do well as an alternative
     
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  18. astralrayn

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    Oooh that's very interesting! Good eye on the weave, that may help me search more effectively! I noticed what you mean about the metallic sparkle but I thought perhaps that could be the "coated" that they're referring to? I've never heard of "coated cotton" before. I'll be following this thread closely, be sure to post your sample if it's satisfactory!
     
  19. Sni9er

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    i most certainly will something that might help is the fact we shouldn't necessarily look for black as we can dye as needed
     
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  20. nwjedidave

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    Interested based on accuracy and price
     
  21. Art Andrews

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    Here is the best shot I got of the fabric. DO NOT use this for color... only for the weave.

    At 100%:
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    At 50%:
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    At 25%:
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  22. Art Andrews

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    See above. The most basic pattern is close, but you have a long way to go.

     
  23. AgentofChaos

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    I'm definitely interested. It'd be nice if the price was a little lower. but if it's screen accurate I'll get it!
     
  24. JJ Griffin

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    Is his hood the same weave as his robes?
     
  25. Art Andrews

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    Yes, it is the same material.

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  26. JJ Griffin

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    That's huge! Thanks.
     
  27. Art Andrews

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    Don't have great reference, but here is the arm material and the gloves.

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  28. Duncan

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    Man, is anyone else hungry?

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  29. BREAD WARRIOR

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    I would be in for 6 meters/however much is needed for a costume.
     
  30. nwjedidave

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    This fabric looks to be very close to EP1 Maul, and EP2 Anakin cloak.
     
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  31. Voss626

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    Count me as interested.
     
  32. astralrayn

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    I've spent the better part of 5 hours today attempting to find ready-made alternative fabrics online that are at least very close. (My kingdom for a fabric district) I almost feel like someone just crochet his whole outfit. Looking at the super large images, it's a really odd weave.

    These are the two closest finds. Both are basket weaves and both would need to be dyed and I'm not sure how well they'd take to dye.

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/D131-LUXURI...WOOL-C0TTON-CHUNKY-BASKET-WEAVE-/181610049939
    $10.43 per 1/2 meter.

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-yard-EGGP...en-Heavy-Upholstery-Fabric-54-w-/161668981182
    $9.86 per yard

    Not sure if either is very helpful. Given the prices I wonder how much it's going to be per yard for someone to custom weave fabric.
     
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  33. Drunkenmunkey

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    My costume maker and I are interested in 6 meters, possibly more.
     
  34. Elvenguard13

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    I ordered half a meter of this yesterday as well as a black dye. However I read an acidic dye may work better for wool. I'll test out the normal dye and see what happens. Both the fabric and the dye should be here in the next few days.

    Does anyone know what sort of coating is on the fabric? Is it some sort of wax or polyurethane?
     
  35. clembot

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    Yeah you'll need acid dye for wool; you may get some dye uptake with a direct dye (Dylon etc) but it'll be touch and go and you might not get the colour you want.
     
  36. Sano

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    I'd be interested too! :)
     
  37. Sni9er

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    thanks art thats a great shot !!
    it confirms my suspicion there is a suspension layer in there !!

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    also furthermore that shot shows it's actually a 2/2 weave not a 3/2 as i'd originally thought
     
  38. Sni9er

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    this is certainly not the right fabric yet (wrong weave 3/2) but it's certainly close just awaiting a sample! it has the right interfacing layer from the looks just needs to loose one weft thread haha (which i may just pull out from this if it works hahaha)

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  39. darthmac

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    I would be very interested if this is accurate. Probably around 10 meters.
     
  40. Psab keel

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    I'm assuming that by coating they are referring to the fact that this material is coat weight not coated as in finish.
     
  41. JOATRASH FX

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    I can see a few issues with the publicly available basket weave options. Many of them are blends that require special dye processes. You can generally buy dye for natural or synthetic fibers and it may not work effectively on both simultaneously. (Also keep in mind that wool can react badly to heat and/or washing machines.) The weave is also pretty large in the real fabric- something that will be very difficult to find commercially, especially in a fabric that is soft, with enough drape for a cloak. (Most of the large-weave stuff you find is stiff upholstery-fabric.) Even the white cotton/wool above seems to have a smaller weave than would be needed. Then you still have the issue of reflectivity. To me it looks like it's polyurethane coated. Might even be that the coating changes depending on thread direction since it seems to be reacting differently to the light.

    If you can get a mill to do accurate stuff I doubt you would have a problem moving 50 meters of it. (I'd probably get a batch too if it happens fairly soon.)


    Oh.. and this thread should probably move to the classifieds, no?
     
  42. astralrayn

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    The plaque did say "coated cotton" - I was assuming it was either some sort of water proof coating or something to keep his cloak from fraying any more than they wanted to. Given that loose knit I feel like it would really start to fall apart if they didn't put something on it to keep it from doing so.
     
  43. Idaho Jones

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    For reference, I pulled out a remnant from my Tusken build, this is washed Monks Cloth

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  44. joshvanrad

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    A couple of the people that attended said that it had a metallic or pearlescent hue to it. So my best guess is that it is metallic coated cotton fibers. They do that by mixing metallic powder and a binding agent, and spraying the fibers with it prior to weaving. If that is the case... it's not going to be cheap to have that done.
     
  45. Sni9er

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    i'll set up a separate thread once i get that far for now this is still open discussion on the spec so i'm happy if everyone else is to keep it here and visible
     
  46. Sni9er

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    I've also got in touch with the UK Fabric guild who might also be able to help in our hunt !

    one mill has bowed out as they'd need to do 500m minimum others will take less still progressing more news as soon as i have it ^^
     
  47. Psab keel

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    Oh I gotcha. I can't really see the sheen too much, I thought it was just the lighting from the display case
     
  48. astralrayn

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    I'm really enjoying this thread so far, I'd rather not have it moved to classifieds until we actually have an order, price, and date! Because in the meantime we can share reference photos and discuss alternate fabric. Who knows, we may luck out and find the perfect fabric online somewhere.

    I noticed this fabric this morning: http://www.fabricguru.com/p-fabricut/woven-upholstery-fabric-pewter-black

    Buuuut it's sold out. And no idea if the weave was a large enough width or if the fabric was loose enough to drape properly.
     
  49. joshvanrad

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    What's the total length we have people in for at this point? I haven't calculated it, but with all this interest we've got to be around 50m now, right?
     
  50. Sni9er

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    i'm sure we could probably pull about 100 meters of interest from what i've seen
     

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