Kylo Ren Dissection & WIP

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  1. Flagwaver

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    It’s been about a year since I used my special talent at costume dissection, but let’s see if I can shake the dust off of it. To do this, I plan to use the pictures of Kylo Ren from the new movie coming out this December.

    As always, if I miss a detail or something, please let me know. If you have a picture contradicting something I’ve written, same thing. I’m always looking to do better and I look to you all to help me make the details right for those who want to do the costume and/or write the CRL.

    And fear not, this will not just be a WALL-O-TEXT™. I will be adding pictures as I fine tune it in the coming days. As I get things purchased and get them built, I’ll be updating it. I like this character, even though I know nothing about him other than he can breathe in his helmet (see below)!!!


    HELMET
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    There’s not much I can say about the helmet that hasn’t already been covered a million times. It looks to be 3D printed or pepakura built. It is a full helmet, not just a mask, and that is one detail that most people didn’t fully get until the Celebration display.

    Of special interest is that the raised face details do more than just add flair to the helmet. If you look closely at the cheeks of the helmet, you will see the holes in the face detail hide the same black-out cloth that covers the eye hole. That’s right, this helmet is something you can breathe in.

    I will be building the helmet using pepakura with the raised details being sintra. Some of the smaller details I will also be using the 1mm sintra for (such as the vent looking things on the sides).


    INNER TUNIC SLEEVES AND DOUBLET
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    After reviewing several pictures of the exhibit, I have come to the conclusion that I will be doing both the inner tunic and doublet as one piece. I will also be doing it with a twist I learned costuming as Vader.

    The inner tunic sleeves will be made using the 38 flaps. Based on the measurements of my arm (31”), I have determined that the visible length of the flaps is 7/8” long, since there are a couple that don’t look the same size. I’ll double that underneath of them for 1-1/2” for the sew-down. Rather than line it, I’ll just use my underarmor rather than add more layers (to keep it cooler). So, I’m looking at 5 yards of material.

    It will be sewn directly to the doublet under the sleeve much in the way as the faux inner sleeve of a Darth Nihilus; sewn not at the point of the sleeve, but back at the top of the shoulder. It will also feature a separated locking zipper that zips from the wrist to the armpit. I guess this means there are zippers in Star Wars (besides Luke zipping up his orange coverall in TESB).

    For the doublet, I’ll be using Simplicity 4095 as a base. I plan to modify it by adding a zipper up the front rather than buttons. Other than that, I also plan to add a yolk with Imperial Officer-style collar and a “yolk” around the arm holes. Except for the skirt, it will be made out of a nice moisture-wicking material. The skirt and yolks will be made using the horizontal-tucked wool that is visible through the arm and neck.


    SURCOAT, HOOD, AND SHAWL
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    For the surcoat, I’ll be using a modified version of the Simplicity 4795 pattern. Specifically, I’ll be using piece number 1 with a flat shoulder and cut waist length. The 4-panel skirt will be made square and pleated at the waist seam, since the pattern of the material is straight all the way down. I will also be including a separated zipper up the left side of the body and a closed zipper just behind the neck to make the opening smart around the collar.

    The hood is part of the shawl, not the surcoat. The hood is identical to a Jedi robe hood and I’ll be putting a piece of plastic canvas in the front edge so it sits right when it’s up. Additionally, I’ll add a small magnet pocket inside so it sticks to the helmet regardless of how I turn my head (nothing’s worse than having to continually pull your hood up).

    The appearance of the shall looks quite like a Ranger cloak from Destiny. I’ll have to whip up some test builds to make sure it hangs right, but there are patterns in the Destiny costuming community (once I find them). Oh, and the edge of the shawl is frayed. There is also a fully visible seam where the hood connects to it.


    GLOVES
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    I’m looking into giving a local glove-maker some pictures of these gloves and asking them to make me up a set. I have yet to find anything that looks even close to these gloves (that weren’t hand-made by Amidala). However, I’ll still keep my feelers out there in case they were a purchased item.


    BELT
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    The belt is 5” wide with a pair of 1/2” wide top-stitched straps. The belt closes in the front with Velcro that I’ll just sew down to the straps and epoxy under the belt.

    The buckle will be layered sintra that’s 5” high, 2-1/4” wide, and 3/8” thick. It will Velcro to the exposed strap that closes the belt.

    The lightsaber clip is the female connector for a stanchion queue barrier or tensabarrier. It is built into a small setup with a pair of teardrop guides to put the lightsaber into the cradle. The base of the clip is 3” high and I’ll Chicago screw it all down to the belt.


    TROUSERS
    The trousers will be a purchased item. They are denim trousers, but not jeans. I’m hoping to find something at a local Goodwill, but will probably get them online.


    BOOTS
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    The boots look to have a separation between the actual boot and the leg. For this reason, I believe they are similar in design to the Imperial boots in Star Wars Rebels. My boots will be a pair of paddock boots with a half-chap over them.

    There are four 1” straps around the leg of the boot, two on the bottom and two on the top. I’ll most likely connect them with snaps around the proper point until clearer shots can be seen.


    LIGHTSABER
    The base for the cross-guard lightsaber will be a purchased item from a saber maker. I’ll custom build the detailed shroud over it using PVC pipes and wires. It will be interesting to build, especially because of the number of details on the main body. I had considered 3D printing it, but I think building it will give it a better feel. Additionally, it will feature the male end of the stanchion queue barrier or tensabarrier, so I can wear it on my belt when at a “no weapons” troop.
     
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  2. Sni9er

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    firstly GREAT breakdown a great roundup of kylo costuming insight! however i disagree that chenille is the correct fabric the weave is indeed basket weave 2 over 2 but there is a finer interwoven layer and further more the fabric is confirmed as coated cotton (as shown on the exhibit plaque)

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    this shot helps show the finder detail and finder interwoven layer on the fabric, the weave is also much looser as a whole than chenille

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    this image close up also helps show the worsted cotton yard also if you look between the main thicker weaves you can see the finer interwoven layers.

    p.s. it might also make sense to update your soft part headings to match the plaque terminology perhaps ?
     
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  3. Flagwaver

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    I am going to order a 6-inch full-width swatch of material today. It looks almost identical to the material they used, but isn’t coated. I am planning on doing some “tests” on it using plastidip spray. Basically, covering a 3 inch area and giving it a light spray, then covering another three inches and spraying, repeat. That way, I have a progressively thicker coat of plasti-dip along the material and can see how much I need to make it look right. I’m hoping to have some test pictures up in a week, depending on how long it takes the company to ship the swatch.
     
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  4. Sni9er

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    I'm just not seeing it myself from the pics I've seen of that fabric do you have a sample pic of the fabric ? As all the shots I've Google's don't look right at all haha
     
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  5. Flagwaver

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    I’ll post the sample I’ve ordered when I get it and run some screen/photo tests on it. I don’t really want to post anything that might not be right just because I don’t want people to be lead astray.
     
  6. Speedtospare

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    Subscribing :) Interested to see what you found.
     
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  7. mikkonator

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    Great comments about the construction of the soft parts.
     
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  8. Vycanthus

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    I'm really curious about your glove plans. If you don't mind, would you let me know how they work out and the pricing details? Those buggers are just not out there that I can find! LOL

    Cheers!
     
  9. Flagwaver

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    Thanks, I’ll be posting regularly until the costume is finished.


    I have the ability to look at a series of pictures and tell you how to construct something. It has helped me with several of my costumes.


    I’ve been looking for a couple of days. More than likely, I’ll have to order them from a seamstress. It will be a little bit of an expense, but not that bad of one.
     
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  10. Vycanthus

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    This thread is a thing of beauty-You've got this all broken down, got a plan and going after it. - Subscribed a while back btw. LOL
    I'm still pouring over fabric just in case I find the Holy Grail of basket weaves though.
    Good Hunting
     
  11. Flagwaver

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    I'm still doing some tests to see if I can get the fabric right. Once I do, I'll post what I have found.
     
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  12. Flagwaver

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    The Vanity Fair shoot confirmed the tunic length of the action figure. I was right!

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    There's another shot that also cleared things up for me. You can see there's another layer between the basketweave top coat and the pleated tunic. You can see it where the flaps of the top coat are blown back. The texture reminds me a bit of RotS Anakin's tunic.
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    It makes me think that the pleated layer is what the display called the under tunic and the new one in between is the mid coat.
     
  14. Flagwaver

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    I have the pepakura file for the Kylo Ren helmet! I will begin building it later this week as I’m still in the process of unfolding it and finishing up a couple of other pepakura projects. I’m looking to clear the palette and start on this project with a fresh set of tools.

    There are a couple of things wrong with the file that immediately jumps out at me. These include the raised details, the cheeks, and the vent details on the sides.

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    The raised details on the cheeks and brow are identical on both sides in the file. In reality, they are asymmetrical. However, fear not, because the details are actually floating faces over the model! So, I am planning on drafting out the proper design of the left cheek based on sketches I found on the RPF.

    The cheeks of the helmet are actually cut out under the raised details. After I get the helmet hardened, I am planning on cutting out the cheek and sanding it into the proper shape.

    Finally, the vent detail on the side will be made using 1mm layered sintra behind another piece of sintra to give it a vent-like look.
     
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  15. Flagwaver

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    The helmet is built! I will be hardening it tomorrow. I know it looks a little misshapen, but that’s just because I don’t have it braced in the proper position or anything. Updates will be coming after it’s hardened!

    Oh, and the raised detail on the face will be installed after it’s built.

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  16. Flagwaver

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    Here’s a close-up on the surcoat/cape material for my first version robe. I still need to dye it, which I’ll be doing after I cut it out.

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    As you can see, there is enough for me to make mine and perhaps another… muahahahaha. Ehem.

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    Here is my version two material. It’s a little more expensive, but I want to make sure I have the pattern down before I attempt it with such and expensive piece of material. Oh, and did I mention the back is actually coated?
     
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  17. Contec

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    Always two there are......a master and a apprentice... ;)
     
  18. Flagwaver

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    But which [am I], the master or the apprentice?
     
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    Where did you get the blankets?
     
  20. lewistully

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    Looks to me like the pants are the same as the sleeves. Is there am entire body suit made from the same layered material?
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  21. dday

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    The pant looks like the sleeve because the surcoat has the same pleats as the sleeves, and the wind is pressing the surcoat against his leg. The pants are not pleated. You can see on the top of his thigh where the surcoat ends and the pants begin.
     
  22. lewistully

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    Ah! Okay. I see that now. Thank you for clearing that up!
     
  23. hellbound666

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    The wax look on cloak, was thinking it was maybe torched...keep it from fringing? perhaps a fire scene? Maybe its has a lil bit of poly in it, when you burn a nylon rope melts the tips...
     
  24. hellbound666

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    Maybe a nice doner, voice changing vader. looks really similar to smaller than most vader helmets.
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  25. Sni9er

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    The exhibit plaque just says coated cotton so I do not think it is a flame polish
     
  26. hellbound666

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    somewhere here on the thread someone mentioned the cloak was coated in wax, as used for water proofing.

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  27. Flagwaver

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    I think it is more likely that it is backed in wax. It has the look of an upholstery fabric, which means it would be backed with a wax for cleaning and sewing purposes.
     
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    I have heard of people misting it with a light coat of Plasti-dip. Has anyone experimented with that?
     
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    I don't know if this is helpful info or not, but I have made quite a few t-shirts (mostly Batman Ts!) using it.

    The Plasti-dip acts a little weird on fabrics. It will bead up if sprayed too heavily, and shrinks just a little bit as it soaks into the fabric and dries. I've never had it soak all the way through the fabric either, it just sits on the very top layer which is great for Ts. It feels a little stiffer than your average printed t-shirt after a few washes. When it's freshly applied it's pretty stiff. I don't see it moving very well if you apply any more than one very light coat.
     
  30. Flagwaver

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    Re: Kylo Ren Dissection & WIP

    I'm thinking either a light misting of plastidip, a light misting of a lacquor, or a light misting of a gloss finish.
     
  31. Lawrencewreeves

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    So I'm very new to this convesation are we saying that he has trousers and shirt the shirt having pleated arms, then a pleated tunic,then another plain tunic and than the basket weave topcoat,wow that's going to be warm
     
  32. DonCMarshall

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    where did you source the second material?
     
  33. JayPeeLocke

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    Any progress photos of your helmet? Im currently busy with the helmet, but it looks like your pep file is kuch easier than mine. Could you maybe share that file with me? After i am done with the helmet i will be using 1mm eva foam to get all those details. I am excited to get started with the robe and arm sleeves, but still need to go and look for fabric.
     
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    Where did you find your version two? Or what is it called?
     
  36. Husker75

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    If you need some good gloves, John fuqua ok Facebook is doing a great run that most kylo cosplayers are going with. They look pretty accurate and he should start shipping his first run very soon.
     
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  38. bobafett669

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    Why does it look like his image was digitally put on that shot? Also does anyone not find it odd for a sith lord not to have his saber on him? Not on his belt nor in his hand!


     
  39. dejordzta

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    I believe he was photoshopped to be in front of the Snow Troopers. Maybe the saber-less Ren for the shoot is indicative of a story line event? ;)
     
  40. enzozallow

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    Ren is not a Sith lord. According to the black series description it says he is a dark warrior. So not a Sith
     
  41. Vult Tavik

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    ...yet!
     
  42. Cyclone1

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    Subscribing to follow the progress of this build!
     
  43. striker01

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    Where did you get the pep file for the helmet?
    Can you share the link?

    Bought this in ebay, is it similar to your build?
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  45. robertrios10@msn.com

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    Several Celebration photos definitely shows that the distance between pleats is not uniform. The median distance seems to vary between 1.25 and .75 inchs with 37-38 per sleeve. Any allowance would have to account for the individual wearers arm length.
     
  46. Ezra

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    Could not find.any.source for the tensabarrier parts :/
     
  47. Diadem

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    Please tell me where you got this version two material! I'll pay you a finder's fee :D

     
  48. IronRanger88

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    What did you come up with for fabric for the under tunic and sleeves?
     

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