Just got back from midnight Nightmare showing-SPOILERS SEPARATED

Maelstrom

Maelstrom

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Well... I just got back from a midnight showng of NoES and am a little divided.

While overall I thought it was a pretty good movie I did have some issues with it. I guess the biggest is...FREDDY. While I knew what to go in expecting it was just hard to fall into some of it when I saw Freddy's face. After 25+ yrs of being used to a certain look its kind of hard to wrap your mind around something completely different. Its easier to get comfortable with a Halloween or Friday the 13th remake cause those guys have masks, but Freddy has a face and it's so well known.

Second...The glove has almost no history presented whatsoever. That's a MAJOR part of the character as the "Springwood Slasher" (a storyline that's completely abondoned BTW) and it's only presentation is 2 glove fingers found where Freddy lives and a brief glimpse of a kid with marks on her back.

That brings me to the third issue...So now apparently Freddy's a child molester. Before he was a murderer. Now don't get me wrong...both acts are completely abhorent, but I have issues with the molester angle.

I look at that last paragraph and somehow see a bunch of posts being made about that, but I just don't know a better way to word it without it basically coming out the same. I think to a degree during all horror films a lot of people root for the badguy (I know I do) and for the most part in the previous films Freddy's violence was seen enacted upon teenagers. So the whole child killer angle kind of gets covered up and to be honest I'm sure we all could have used a good Freddy check when we were teens LOL:lol

I guess all in all some things were done well and others lacked. They borrowed bits and pieces from the 1st film. They do the scene where Nancy is in bed and Freddy stretches thru the wall, but it's digital and looks like crap compared to the FX from the original which was much more scary looking to me.

Worth seeing. And I really did like the glove design afterall. Not as much as the original style probably, but cool take on a classic horrorfilm weapon.
 
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To be honest I've always found it uneasy that Freddy has such an admiring crowd when there's always been the very strong likelyhood of him being a child molester. His fans seem to choose not to see the connection in crime history between child murderers and their "other" interests in children. Quite odd.
 
I think Freddy was always supposed to be a child molester. I'm not sure where the inference came from, but it has been around for a long time. They even mention it in some of the special features on the first film. I don't think it was ever said directly in the films though.

The remake was just like any other. They showed Freddy too much. The effects were laughable and far from scary.

This film was all about jump scares. The original was much creepier. I totally agree about the glove as well. He is never mentioned as ever having killed a single kid in this one. Why does he have the glove at all?

There are some huge plot holes but it is a remake. I've come to expect that sort of lazy writing from the Platinum Dunes folks.

Jackie Earl Haley was decent. He's a damn find actor so it would be hard for him to screw it up. The look of Freddy wasn't as scary either.

I did like the look of some of the dream sequences, and the micro nap bits were pretty effective.

1-10 I'd give it a 4.
 
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thanks for the review, the original made a huge impact on me when it came out, this one I was already "eh" about, now I know to not waste my money. The problem is, even with Netflix et al, young people won't see the original, and have nothing to compare it to, so they flock to the theater, It makes enough money (at least for a couple of weeks before the sharp drop off at the box office) for Hollywood to keep shoveling this un-original crap out, and the band plays on.
 
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Just in case someone thinks this is a spoiler...

Freddy was shown to be a child molester in Freddy vs Jason, at least that was the first time I remember any sort of reference to it. However, Freddy was always a child killer, even in the first movie. I think the reason he went after teenagers at first was that they were the children of the towns people who killed Freddy.

Now about this new movie, I decided to wait for the DVD since I am not buying this new Freddy to be my beloved Freddy from before. I mean sure he has the hat, the sweater and the glove is cool but once I see his face and hear his voice, that's not Freddy to me.
 
OK, non-spoiler question: is it cheesy? I hated how slapstick the originals got starting with part 3. Part 2 is my favorite, by far. Does Freddy crack jokes? Is it like looney tunes with murder? If not, I'm your huckleberry. Dying to see this!

On a side note, I just read Englund's autobiography. Kinda fun. Not enough tidbits on the NOES movies, but still a good read.
 
No. It's not really cheesy. There are a couple of small wisecracks in the movie (Mostly copied from the other movies), but nothing like, "You FORGOT the POWERGLOVE!" as Freddy continues to kill the guy from Road Trip in Nintendoesque style.

And...to some of the posters above...I don't remember it ever being eluded to in any of the movies that Freddy was a molester. I remember some tard in the special features saying the word molester once and I took offense to it then.

If I'm wrong...please someone point out where, because I don't think I've ever seen it and I have NoES 1-5, Freddy's Dead, New Nightmare, and Fvs.J on DVD.

I'm not talking about just the underlying "If he murders them he molests them 1st" something a little more solid.

I've just never noticed it before and I hope I'm not wrong.
 
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He's always labeled a Child Killer, not a molestor. MAYBE its mentioned in FvJ someplace but I can't remember it at this point.


I won't go see this, I won't rent it, I won't watch it. This is one remake that was not needed nor wanted.
 
So it was the plan orginally, but not followed thru with....




From: Screams & Nightmares, The Films of Wes Craven

Robert Englund recalls: 'Wes wrote the most evil, corrupt thing he could think of. Originally, that meant Freddy was a child molester. Right while we were shooting the fist Nightmare, there was a huge scandal based around an area of single parent yuppies in California known as South Bay. Child molesters had descended on this unsupervised flotsam of seventies leftover Me-generation American children. On the spot we changed the script from child molester to child murderer, mainly so Wes wouldn't be accused of exploiting the South bay case.'
 
WTF are you guys talking about?!

Anyhoo, I don't remember if him being a molester was explicitly stated, but for 25 years that's what I've thought, so I must have heard it somewhere. Maybe I just read between the lines? Dunno. I just figured the killing was at the end of the kidnapping and fondling and "puts the lotion in the bucket" and all that.
 
Just never thought that direction with it. I think they were even really careful to steer away from that angle with the newspaper clippings and the specific wording in scripts.

Here's the question. As bad as the things he's done were...you know you love Freddy and can he ever be lovable again?

Robert Englund please come back.

I'm really ready for Fvs.J II. Maybe someday *sigh*
 
I've thought the same thing, that he was a molester/killer and in FvsJ the way they have him "licking" the back of the kids photo to put it in the scrapbook he has... well, you HAVE to admit, that's a pretty creepy and not something I'd think just a killer would do.

Just my opinion.

I was hoping they'd take a different route with the new one like having him falsely accused and killed by the parents then coming back after their kids as payback. Oh well. I'll probably check it out anyway. While I loved the original, (I really didn't care for any of the others), I'm not opposed to a different Freddy or version of the story.

We'll see! ;)

-B89! :D
 
I'll definetly agree that most of the NoES movies were bad, but to me that's what made them good. A quick break from the serious and all is well.

I think one of my favorites is in Freddy's Dead when he's stalking Carlos and jumping up and down and yelling behind him. Then he does the knife in front of the lips with the "Shhhhh" motion and goes from there.

Classic and hilarious to me!
 
Maelstrom said:
So it was the plan orginally, but not followed thru with....




From: Screams & Nightmares, The Films of Wes Craven

Robert Englund recalls: 'Wes wrote the most evil, corrupt thing he could think of. Originally, that meant Freddy was a child molester. Right while we were shooting the fist Nightmare, there was a huge scandal based around an area of single parent yuppies in California known as South Bay. Child molesters had descended on this unsupervised flotsam of seventies leftover Me-generation American children. On the spot we changed the script from child molester to child murderer, mainly so Wes wouldn't be accused of exploiting the South bay case.'
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I'm not sure why it's still being discussed. There's all the proof you need right there.
 
Gilmore of OK said:
IM READY FOR FREDDY vs PREDATOR! YEAHH!
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Poor Predator. I feel sorry for him. Dreaming about Ahnold's skull and Danny Glover and then BAM "HOW SWEET! E.T. MEAT!"


Did see a preview for Predators before the movie, tho. Didn't even know about this coming out. But it looks like they went back to formula for this one. A group of people in a jungle, except its apparently on a game reserve planet and there's a lot of predators. Saw Laurence Fishburne (A Nightmare on ES alum no less) and Adrien Brody is in it.

At the end everybody hides in Brody's nose to escape
 
Jackie playing Freddy was the only good thing about this movie, I actually prefer him to Robert's. The acting of the "teens" was terrible. Overall between Freddy and the kills, it was enough to keep me entertained.
 
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