Jurassic Park Cryocan decal wrap and blueprint

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  1. Nublarensis

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    Hi, guys!
    I'm new member here and wanted to share project that I'm on. I am in process of making screen accurate Jurassic Park Barbasol can. I've found some can blueprints but they need some modifications, I will post them when they are finished.
    Since the original cans are getting harder and harder to find, I've decided to make one, screen accurate as much as I can. Here is an example.
    Barbasol label.jpg

    This is just an example, it needs some modifications. I've watched movie frame by frame and discovered following:
    - The can is 11 OZ, not the 10 OZ, and weight in grams is not written
    - There are no recycle logos
    - Something is written in the place where barbasol.com stands on newer cans (I have searched for older barbasol labels, and the only thing it could be is Made in the U.S.A in my opinion)
    - Barbasol Original Shave Cream's ... text has 7 rows, INGREDIENTS text has 4 rows and WARNING text has 7 rows (this is because the original container for the text is narrower)

    I will post another picture when I change the text
     
  2. TomVDJ

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  3. Nublarensis

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    Net Wt: 11 oz.
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    Also, keep in mind if you guys are going for the most accurate can ever, the old style cans like in the movie didn't have the recess area before the edges, it was just a cylinder.
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    I have yet to even find a picture of the correct can outside of the film however, so good luck.
     
  5. TomVDJ

    TomVDJ Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Yep, you're right about the shape. Never noticed that. Seems that the shape of the can was something like these:
    4785073674_b93efe9962.jpg

    Good of picture of the correct can:

    jurassicpark_barbasol02.jpg
     
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  6. Nublarensis

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    Yes, I've noticed the recess area before. I'll just probably buy a newer can and wrap my decal printed on glossy paper, but I will not put barbasol website, weight in gr and I'll try to match the directions and warning text.
    I have one question if someone of you can help me. As I said, I found some blueprints for spring loaded mechanism and I'll post 3d model when I finish it. The question is: Does anybody know how much approximately would be CNC machining service for mechanism?
    I know the price of the can, aluminum chunk for processing and vials, but I don't know how much would CNC cost
     
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  7. TomVDJ

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    I guess you're better of buying one of Rylo's cans in that case. Will be cheaper than having one copy created from scratch...
     
  8. TomVDJ

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    If this can help. These are pics of the front and back of the can Rylo used (the 11 OZ can):

    Barbasol - Front.jpg Barbasol - Back.jpg
     
  9. Nublarensis

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    TomVDJ thanks for the pics, but that is the same can decal that I draw, but without recycle logos. As I said the older can has more narrow text box, but the text is same, the difference is only in rows of the text, website etc. I will change it in the next few days.
    I respect Rylo's work a lot, but I'm not sure that it's cheaper for me to run one of his cans.
    I've done some quick Ebay search:
    - Barbasol can about 5$ + 25$ International shipping
    - Embryo vials 15$
    - Aluminum chunk for processing 70mm wide, 20cm long, 20$
    That is about 65$, and the can replicas are about 230$ + 50$ International shipping
    Even if the CNC service is 100$ (which I think is too much, maybe I'm wrong) it is cheaper for me to run my own
    I have good blueprints, it's not a scratch, I'll post 3D model with measurements when I finish it
     
  10. TomVDJ

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    The materials are not the cost. The CNC service is. If you want to go for a functional prop (pop-up mechanism) then you need to have several parts made. I doubt that you'll find a shop that will do this one of a kind job for under $100. Unless you have access to a CNC machine yourself and do all the work yourself...

    Yesterday I made screencaps of the bluray, and although the back is more or less visible in some scenes, it's impossible to read the actual text on any of them. So even if you make a design where the amounts of lines is correct, I guess it's impossible to have it 100% correct to the original prop. Unless they used an actual older type of Barbasol can and you can get a hold on one of these...
     
  11. Nublarensis

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    Can you post those pictures? I would be very grateful.
    I think that I will manage to do it right, it isn't matter because I can't read it, the ingredients, shaving tips, warning text, everything is same on the newer and older cans, I only need to know correct number of words in each row.
    I know that CNC cost a lot, but I doubt that Rylo or others do that job so they could earn 50$ per can. Again, maybe I'm wrong . I sent a rough sketch of my model to a guy who is doing CNC service and I'm waiting for a price response
     
  12. TomVDJ

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    I'll post those pics within a few hours. I can't make out the number of words in the lines, to be honest. I have pics of these scenes:

    1. Nedry is presented with the cryocan.
    2. Nedry steals the embryos.
    3. Nedry looses his can after being attacked by the dino.

    If there are other scenes in the movie that have the can clearly visible, let me know and I can make grabs there too.

    As for the CNC: price will go down drastically if you order 50 or 100 parts. Ordering only a few parts (or only one) will make it incredibly expensive, I guess.
     
  13. Nublarensis

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    I've read some brand history on wikipedia and there stands that in the 1990s Pfizer owned the brand instead of Perio Inc, so I'll probably need to put Pfizer's adress on the decal bottom
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  14. Rik1138

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    Yeah, I've been looking for the exact, straight can for years, and never seen one. I have seen the blue/green one though, the exact same design with the straight can. I think they literally used that design on the straight can for about a year before changing the shape, so it's * hard to find...
     
  15. Nublarensis

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    For everyone who finds it useful and want to try DIY project
     
  16. Rylo

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    So, where did you get the drawing and what were the measurements based on?

     
  17. Nublarensis

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  18. Rylo

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    Yep, some interesting mods. Where did your friend get his reference?

     
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  19. Nublarensis

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    We worked together. The main problem was that we couldn't figure out how the locking mechanism works, so we watched many youtube videos and noticed the function of screw on vials carrier. Sorry for my English, I hope you know what I'm talking about. We also needed to make travell on slide pillar, and on his blueprint there was a big gap between base and rotationdisc. Yes, there was lot modifications, but my friend is machine engineer so it wasn't a big problem for him to figure out how things works
     
  20. Apollo

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    Sounds like some scum have been reverse engineering some one elses hard work :unsure
     
  21. Rylo

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    So, based on youtube videos you guessed at the location and the exact placement and size of everything on the inside of the prop? Pretty much everything that isn't visible unless you take a cryo apart.

    If your friend is a machinist you clearly already know what the CNC cost would be...any machinist/engineer could've told you that.

    Why would you be asking if anyone knows what a CNC service would cost? You then go on to mention you're waiting on a quote??

    Pretty transparent, what's next.

     
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  22. Nublarensis

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    What do you mean by that? Are you talking that me and my friend are scums? Or anybody else on the forum who is trying to make something for themselves and share it with others? I just want to get something straight. I was never in posses of Rylo's can and these measurements aren't based on his can. As for the guy who's original blueprints are he clearly stated "if it can be of help to anyone...". I don't see a problem
     
  23. Apollo

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    If you and your friend reverse engineered a can yep you are scum and will not be here for long.





     
  24. Nublarensis

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    You can check his blueprints and you will see that there is no travell on vials carrier. You can definitely see it, even the spring on some youtube videos. As for the others, everything is there, the screw on the bottom, and I don't have to be very smart to figure out the length and placement of the spring

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcsefAEXB0I

    27.sec
     
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  25. Nublarensis

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    He told me that is expensive, but he don't know the exact price
    I'm asking if anyone knows how much would it cost so I could know average price, so that guy who I contacted don't cross me
     
  26. Nublarensis

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    I've been trying to cool my head for two days now but I didn't managed.
    I need to share my thoughts and feelings on this...
    I've been visiting this forum for years, founded some very useful information, admired how people worked together, sharing thoughts and ideas, but I couldn't believe that I will get such a bad experience in my first thread.

    I want to say a few words about this...

    There is a problem because in my opinion certain respectful members think that they are the only one here who are smart and that the rest of us simply don't use our brain capacity, or should I said that we are stupid, and that we can't figure out how some basic things in life works (for example, if one part slides over another, there should be a travel path).
    The other potential problem could be that some members are afraid for their marketplace, so they immediately accused other for stealing their work.

    About the can blueprint:

    Rylo: "So, based on youtube videos you guessed at the location and the exact placement and size of everything on the inside of the prop? Pretty much everything that isn't visible unless you take a cryo apart."

    As for all the parts that is inside the prop, pretty much everything that isn't visible is actually visible on pics, length of spring, number of screws, cut on slide pillar where screw gets locked, etc... It's not like there are 100 parts inside. Also there are so many can pictures from different angles on the web, that I only need one dimension, for example the inner diameter of the can so I could calculate others simply by applying proportions. You should have check the blueprints and pictures on the link that I've posted before you accused me for stealing your or others work. At the end, I have never stated that it's completely my work.
    As for the CNC, you answered me here http://www.therpf.com/showthread.php?t=195928&page=2 , thank you very much. You should check my thread on jplegacy and see the date of my post and my CNC cost estimate. It seems to me that I'm not stupid even I doubt myself frequently


    Dear Rylo, I understand that you are upset, but you have to understand that there are many JP fans here who are trying to make can replica by themself and they don't have 250$. Just want you to know that I have no intention on running and selling these cans, I will make one for myself. I don't think that I made any harm to you, by revealing the blueprints, since they are not from your can, and since there are other threads here with finished models ready for download.

    Now here's the bad thing...

    Because I don't want to kick money out of your pocket and share the 3D model, I'm expecting from your friend Apollo an apologize for insulting me, calling me a scum and threatening me that I will not be here for long. I've read many different threads on building some great prop replicas here. By applying his logic to many of those threads and participants, this whole forum is one big septic hole and one big part of the members are s!@#$!
    Here's how things will work.
    If I get an apologize, things will remain as they are, the blueprints stays on picture (who wants to make a can replica will have to design 3D model himself).
    If I don't get apologize, I'll share processing ready model with everyone here and make their job more easy.
    It's up to your friend.

    Big thanks to kimncris who freely shared the model with everyone on their website, allowing us insight in dimensions and partly in working mechanism

    As for the can decal that I'm working on, once when it's finished, you or anybody else can use it freely if you like it
     
  27. Apollo

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    First and foremost you are free to do as you please, don't think for one minute your little temper tantrum and threat means a thing to me.

    Secondly I NEVER called you a scum,"Looks like some scum has reverse engineered someone else hard work...I will ask you here and now Have you or your "Friend" reverse engineered one of Ry's cans?

    Not speaking for Ry but there are other things going on here that the Board does not know.

    I'm sure Rylo will address them if he cares to
     
  28. Apollo

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    Well that was fast...another idiot shown the door! :unsure
     
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