Julien’s Upcoming Hero Phaser & Communicator Auction

It's easy to armchair quarterback the restoration work, and I imagine no matter who did it, we'd probably be second guessing them. It's what we do best!

I absolutely trust HeroComms documentation, I don't have any issues there. Transparency? Well... I still recall the kerfuffle over the last phaser... I still think it's a shame that that section of the site is still gone.

From HeroComm:

"Presuming the main objectives of the restoration were: 1) to return the prop's appearance and functioning to as near as possible its iconic 1968 "Day of the Dove" (DOTD) action close-up, 2) maintain within the unit the highest percentage of creator Wah Chang's original parts, and 3) for any detail that is unknowable, replicate how Wah built it in his other hero communicator ("Alpha"), here's a quick review of how we see each of the refurbished elements measuring up:"

"Presuming" is doing a lot of heavy lifting here. I actually like that HeroComm states what they consider a good restoration, but they presume that an auction house has the same goal. I suspect it's more like "Do as little as possible, make it as pretty as possible, as cheaply as possible, as quickly as possible, without breaking anything." I can certainly understand the "Disappointment" take, as well. It's clear that HeroComm goes to great lengths to try to be as accurate as possible, so when something falls short, I get it.

Despite the seemingly high fees, most auctions run on fairly narrow profit margins. While they usually charge the customer for repairs, etc... I'm sure there would be a major payout if a rare prop was damaged in their possession. So I'm sure they are conservative in their approach to repair/restoration as well.

I'm pretty sure that there was a time crunch as well, as there always is in the auction world. In fact, they mention in the auction description the watch could likely be repaired, but there wasn't time. Could he have done more to make it closer to how it appeared? Possibly. Not knowing the scope of work, budget, timeframe, etc... there's no way to be sure. The mandate could have been "Make it pretty, here's $50 for your time." for all we know. Heck, he could have done the moire ring wrong on purpose as a tell, we just don't know. I know several people who would have attempted to restore it for free, just to say they did it... and done a much worse job. Trust me, it could have been far worse...


I agree, fixing the warping is absolutely possible, though I would say it's also pretty risky. Many well meaning folks have attempted repairs (Including myself) and have made things worse. New kydex has known properties, but I don't know of any long term studies on it's aging properties aside from company literature. It's an acrylic-polyvinyl chloride plastic. That means it contains PVC, which gets brittle with age. I honestly have no idea if kydex does as well, especially early kydex. I would hate to be the guy who botched a repair on a prop costing a couple of hundred thousand dollars.

I have no insider knowledge of how John Long ended up doing the restoration. I suppose, like most things, he was a friend of a friend. Most people tend to recommend someone they know, and in the prop world, those circles are pretty tight. For better or worse, they tend to guard their knowledge as if it's the only thing that makes them special. I don't like it, but I understand it. With the number of fakes and recasters out there, I don't really blame people. When years of research and work can be copied by someone in hours, I can see why people don't tend to share.

I'm not trying to defend or dismiss the restoration. My take is as long as any restorations are documented, and easily reversible, that's the best we can hope for. I can nitpick the details, much like HeroComm has, but at the end of the day, whoever drops a couple of hundred thousand can restore it however they want, but I hope future restorations don't try to make it into something it isn't.

Yes, of course there was the kerfuffle over the phaser, but my point is that, when it comes to laying out the research and data for the communicators, they’ve been very clear, detailed, and forthright, over the years.

And, at the end of the day, “restoration” can mean a lot of things to a lot of people. In this case, it comes across more as, “replace missing parts to make the props look complete”, rather than, “try to wind back the clock as accurately as possible to what they props looked like when last filmed”.

Personally, getting the specifics of the moire pattern wrong is pretty disappointing. Instead of the specific and unique Beta look, it just sort of looks like another Alpha, now. Which is what Long does with all of his builds—the classic, Alpha-style, rotating spider moire.


But I’ll take an inaccurate repair job over obvious fakes selling for a premium.
 
It's easy to armchair quarterback the restoration work, and I imagine no matter who did it, we'd probably be second guessing them. It's what we do best!

I absolutely trust HeroComms documentation, I don't have any issues there. Transparency? Well... I still recall the kerfuffle over the last phaser... I still think it's a shame that that section of the site is still gone.

From HeroComm:

"Presuming the main objectives of the restoration were: 1) to return the prop's appearance and functioning to as near as possible its iconic 1968 "Day of the Dove" (DOTD) action close-up, 2) maintain within the unit the highest percentage of creator Wah Chang's original parts, and 3) for any detail that is unknowable, replicate how Wah built it in his other hero communicator ("Alpha"), here's a quick review of how we see each of the refurbished elements measuring up:"

"Presuming" is doing a lot of heavy lifting here. I actually like that HeroComm states what they consider a good restoration, but they presume that an auction house has the same goal. I suspect it's more like "Do as little as possible, make it as pretty as possible, as cheaply as possible, as quickly as possible, without breaking anything." I can certainly understand the "Disappointment" take, as well. It's clear that HeroComm goes to great lengths to try to be as accurate as possible, so when something falls short, I get it.

Despite the seemingly high fees, most auctions run on fairly narrow profit margins. While they usually charge the customer for repairs, etc... I'm sure there would be a major payout if a rare prop was damaged in their possession. So I'm sure they are conservative in their approach to repair/restoration as well.

I'm pretty sure that there was a time crunch as well, as there always is in the auction world. In fact, they mention in the auction description the watch could likely be repaired, but there wasn't time. Could he have done more to make it closer to how it appeared? Possibly. Not knowing the scope of work, budget, timeframe, etc... there's no way to be sure. The mandate could have been "Make it pretty, here's $50 for your time." for all we know. Heck, he could have done the moire ring wrong on purpose as a tell, we just don't know. I know several people who would have attempted to restore it for free, just to say they did it... and done a much worse job. Trust me, it could have been far worse...


I agree, fixing the warping is absolutely possible, though I would say it's also pretty risky. Many well meaning folks have attempted repairs (Including myself) and have made things worse. New kydex has known properties, but I don't know of any long term studies on it's aging properties aside from company literature. It's an acrylic-polyvinyl chloride plastic. That means it contains PVC, which gets brittle with age. I honestly have no idea if kydex does as well, especially early kydex. I would hate to be the guy who botched a repair on a prop costing a couple of hundred thousand dollars.

I have no insider knowledge of how John Long ended up doing the restoration. I suppose, like most things, he was a friend of a friend. Most people tend to recommend someone they know, and in the prop world, those circles are pretty tight. For better or worse, they tend to guard their knowledge as if it's the only thing that makes them special. I don't like it, but I understand it. With the number of fakes and recasters out there, I don't really blame people. When years of research and work can be copied by someone in hours, I can see why people don't tend to share.

I'm not trying to defend or dismiss the restoration. My take is as long as any restorations are documented, and easily reversible, that's the best we can hope for. I can nitpick the details, much like HeroComm has, but at the end of the day, whoever drops a couple of hundred thousand can restore it however they want, but I hope future restorations don't try to make it into something it isn't.
FWIW, I’m going to state categorically that I think trying to “unwarp” a piece like the Comm is the stupidest idea ever. We have no notion when that happened. 50 years ago? 5 years ago? Did it happen on set? These are questions we cannot know the answer to. And so John and I decided (and the client agreed) that the best approach to this would be to replace the parts and functionality that were missing and leave everything else alone. He’s proud of his work, I am happy with his work and the client is ecstatic with his work. And that is the only bottom line that matters, IMO.

I totally respect the notion that everyone’s going to have an opinion about what could or should have happened with a piece like this. I have no issues with that. But I want to repeat something very carefully. Someone from Herocomm was given a seat at the table and they totally f*cked it up. They betrayed my trust and the trust of the client. They were unprofessional and made me look like an idiot. It made me rethink everything I ever thought about that organization. And after all that they badmouth the final result because why? They didn’t do it, which means it’s inferior. How petty and self-serving. And all done behind the convenient cloak of anonymity.

Screw that.

I think it is very telling that no mention of this was made in their very whiny review. Wanna contribute to something like this? Then act with integrity. Act with common sense. Act with some honesty. By their own admission, that was all missing. Because of that they were removed. It was not done lightly or out of spite or anything like that. It was done because of their own stupidity.

I could not have less respect for them at this very moment. And that is astonishing to me because it used to be quite the opposite.

I do not suffer fools and I will not be silent regarding this issue.
 
FWIW, I’m going to state categorically that I think trying to “unwarp” a piece like the Comm is the stupidest idea ever. We have no notion when that happened. 50 years ago? 5 years ago? Did it happen on set? These are questions we cannot know the answer to. And so John and I decided (and the client agreed) that the best approach to this would be to replace the parts and functionality that were missing and leave everything else alone. He’s proud of his work, I am happy with his work and the client is ecstatic with his work. And that is the only bottom line that matters, IMO.

I totally respect the notion that everyone’s going to have an opinion about what could or should have happened with a piece like this. I have no issues with that. But I want to repeat something very carefully. Someone from Herocomm was given a seat at the table and they totally f*cked it up. They betrayed my trust and the trust of the client. They were unprofessional and made me look like an idiot. It made me rethink everything I ever thought about that organization. And after all that they badmouth the final result because why? They didn’t do it, which means it’s inferior. How petty and self-serving. And all done behind the convenient cloak of anonymity.

Screw that.

I think it is very telling that no mention of this was made in their very whiny review. Wanna contribute to something like this? Then act with integrity. Act with common sense. Act with some honesty. By their own admission, that was all missing. Because of that they were removed. It was not done lightly or out of spite or anything like that. It was done because of their own stupidity.

I could not have less respect for them at this very moment. And that is astonishing to me because it used to be quite the opposite.

I do not suffer fools and I will not be silent regarding this issue.

The satisfaction of the client is what keeps us all employed, and the final arbiter of what's right is who is signing the check.

I'm with you on the warping, and I'll add to that the we don't know when the rhinestone was added , either. It could have been late in the series run, and never shown on screen, or years after. IMHO, the responsible thing to do is leave as much of artifact intact as it was prior to the restoration unless there is compelling evidence that something was added later. Who knows? An end of season wrap party photo might surface showing the pointed chaton, and then what? Better to err on the side of caution when offering something for sale.

I honestly think that the restoration is fine, and, from a conservation side, it's better than what I've come to expect from most prop restorations. Heck, from most restorations, period. Many are more like recreations, which try to bring things back to better than new condition, and ignore the integrity of the original artifact as found. Long's restoration seems minimally invasive, and doesn't take anything away from the as found condition. Many people would try to "improve" it's look, such as with the 1990s Enterprise restoration. I keep harping on the warped case, because we simply don't know when that happened, and repairing that is fraught with peril, and the suggestion that it HAD to have happened after the show run ended is just a presumption based on no facts.

I didn't know that HeroComm was invited to contribute (maybe I missed that), and while it's still unclear how exactly they betrayed your trust, the commentary makes it appear like they were never consulted. From HeroComm "Had we been consulted by Julien's on this, we would have even suggested the removal of the clear stone from the surviving knob, likely thus returning it best to the look it had in Season 3." That sure makes it sound like they were never spoken too, which seems... disingenuous. So I can understand your frustration with them on that point.

It's clear, from the outside, anyway, that there is a lot of history at play here, most of which I don't know about. I guarantee all parties involved know more about the intricacies of Star Trek props than I do, let alone the history of the parties involved. I'm looking in from the outside, as an appraiser and authenticator, and trying to offer my take on things.

To what end? I don't really know at this point, I guess I started out in the Heritage thread trying to make sense of things, and bridge the knowledge gap for myself, and whoever reads through these threads. At this point, I think I'm trying to thread the needle and find a middle ground between offering a commentary on what makes a good "restoration", and why those decisions were made, without judging any of the parties too harshly. It's a miracle that the phaser and communicator survived, and I guess I'm looking at this from a point of artifact preservation, and hoping that someone, when presented with a restoration project like this, stops and thinks about the long term consequences of going too far.
 
The satisfaction of the client is what keeps us all employed, and the final arbiter of what's right is who is signing the check.

I'm with you on the warping, and I'll add to that the we don't know when the rhinestone was added , either. It could have been late in the series run, and never shown on screen, or years after. IMHO, the responsible thing to do is leave as much of artifact intact as it was prior to the restoration unless there is compelling evidence that something was added later. Who knows? An end of season wrap party photo might surface showing the pointed chaton, and then what? Better to err on the side of caution when offering something for sale.

I honestly think that the restoration is fine, and, from a conservation side, it's better than what I've come to expect from most prop restorations. Heck, from most restorations, period. Many are more like recreations, which try to bring things back to better than new condition, and ignore the integrity of the original artifact as found. Long's restoration seems minimally invasive, and doesn't take anything away from the as found condition. Many people would try to "improve" it's look, such as with the 1990s Enterprise restoration. I keep harping on the warped case, because we simply don't know when that happened, and repairing that is fraught with peril, and the suggestion that it HAD to have happened after the show run ended is just a presumption based on no facts.

I didn't know that HeroComm was invited to contribute (maybe I missed that), and while it's still unclear how exactly they betrayed your trust, the commentary makes it appear like they were never consulted. From HeroComm "Had we been consulted by Julien's on this, we would have even suggested the removal of the clear stone from the surviving knob, likely thus returning it best to the look it had in Season 3." That sure makes it sound like they were never spoken too, which seems... disingenuous. So I can understand your frustration with them on that point.

It's clear, from the outside, anyway, that there is a lot of history at play here, most of which I don't know about. I guarantee all parties involved know more about the intricacies of Star Trek props than I do, let alone the history of the parties involved. I'm looking in from the outside, as an appraiser and authenticator, and trying to offer my take on things.

To what end? I don't really know at this point, I guess I started out in the Heritage thread trying to make sense of things, and bridge the knowledge gap for myself, and whoever reads through these threads. At this point, I think I'm trying to thread the needle and find a middle ground between offering a commentary on what makes a good "restoration", and why those decisions were made, without judging any of the parties too harshly. It's a miracle that the phaser and communicator survived, and I guess I'm looking at this from a point of artifact preservation, and hoping that someone, when presented with a restoration project like this, stops and thinks about the long term consequences of going too far.

Fine points, as usual.

As for where I'm at:

1. At the end of the day, some of this boils down to inside baseball/egos. We normies are looking at the situation from the outside-in, and can only judge these things based on what we know.

2. If the owner and those involved are happy, that's fine and dandy.

3. I'm not a fan of taking sides with this sort of thing. My dedication is to the facts, and to keeping the historical record accurate.

4. "Restoration" can mean a lot of different things, depending on who's asked. Same with "preservation".

5. Am I disappointed that the restoration isn't as on-point as it could have been? Sure. But it's not that big a deal, since we now have a second genuine hero communicator to study and drool over.
 
Fine points, as usual.

As for where I'm at:

1. At the end of the day, some of this boils down to inside baseball/egos. We normies are looking at the situation from the outside-in, and can only judge these things based on what we know.

2. If the owner and those involved are happy, that's fine and dandy.

3. I'm not a fan of taking sides with this sort of thing. My dedication is to the facts, and to keeping the historical record accurate.

4. "Restoration" can mean a lot of different things, depending on who's asked. Same with "preservation".

5. Am I disappointed that the restoration isn't as on-point as it could have been? Sure. But it's not that big a deal, since we now have a second genuine hero communicator to study and drool over.
Thanks! I think you did a good job of summarizing the main points.

The restoration vs. preservation argument is a tough one, even the museum world struggles with that. Do we preserve this rare item while it rots, or do we make it presentable and hope it inspires or educates people?

I look at the car world's constantly shifting views on car restoration. I like a restored Model A as much as the next guy... but I'd really like it more if it had seat belts... and maybe comfier seats... and air conditioning... and an automatic transmission... then I'd drive it all the time! That's a fine view when there are thousands of similar cars, and no one will argue. Much.

But take an original Batmobile that has been stripped of all it's Batsy goodness? Or a BTTF2 DeLorean? Whichever version you restore it as, someone is going to have an issue.
 
Well, well... the Phaser went for $700,000 ($910,000 after the 27% buyer's premium) and the Communicator for $600,000 ($780,000) and that's before tax! Spirited bidding with a new online bidder stepping in at the last minute to secure the lots.

While there may be some caveats (particularly for this restored Communicator), this makes the Greg Jein props that sold last fall at Heritage look like relative bargains.

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Fascinating.

At least this one sold for more than the 2021 forgery, unlike the Jein hero.

While the TMOST remains the favorite and most iconic phaser for many, it could now be argued that the Jein may be more famous, given its extensive photography/analysis, and its being the basis for various replicas.

Yet, when the time came, the TMOST sold for over three times as much!
 
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"the 2021 forgery..." meaning this one that sold for $250K... nearly four times as much! :lol:

That is quite a premium.

I do like the Jein Phaser, with its rough and tumble, set redressing paint, and wonder if it will be restored and repaired somewhat along the lines of the TMOST. Personally, IMHO, John Long did a fabulous job on the restorations.
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What's also interesting is the higher premiums for the Julien's sales, up from Heritage's for the Jein collection (25% on the first $300K, and then 20% for amounts over that up to $3M) and Propstore's 26% in their upcoming London Entertainment auction.
 
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This is actually good to see…in a strange way, the perceived value of these pieces points to the health of the original series.

Strange but true.
 
Is there a thread archive somewhere on this analysis? I've read the Alleged Screen Used Hero TOS Phaser up for auction (now the aftermath) thread and others here (and elsewhere) but haven't found a detailed assessment. Not poking the bear, genuinely interested to know more and how to spot these forgeries.
The N. Nicholle's midgrades were fairly well covered in that topic.

Basically, those of us who have been in the hobby were quick to spot the reproduction parts along with other factors such as very unnatural aging were the obvious tells. Then there was the fact that the builder of the forgeries was brought in to authenticate it as being screen used...
 
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Thanks for posting. The phaser, comm and helm made the news, but I was esp curious about the LRBYLB self-destruct panel. I’d actually deluded myself into thinking that could be attainable. :oops:
 
"the 2021 forgery..." meaning this one that sold for $250K... nearly four times as much! :lol:

That is quite a premium.

I do like the Jein Phaser, with its rough and tumble, set redressing paint, and wonder if it will be restored and repaired somewhat along the lines of the TMOST. Personally, IMHO, John Long did a fabulous job on the restorations.
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What's also interesting is the higher premiums for the Julien's sales, up from Heritage's for the Jein collection (25% on the first $300K, and then 20% for amounts over that up to $3M) and Propstore's 26% in their upcoming London Entertainment auction.
Honestly, I think the Jein phaser would be best preserved in its current state as opposed trying to "restore" it as there are simply so many different things that could go wrong.

I actually would prefer to see the hobby shift its focus more towards the midgrade's as they were seen almost exclusively since the start of the second season.

I have a well-crafted replica that is essentially museum quality as it's the closest to the real deal that I will ever own.

Yet that's my 2.2 cents lol
 
Honestly, I think the Jein phaser would be best preserved in its current state as opposed trying to "restore" it as there are simply so many different things that could go wrong.

I actually would prefer to see the hobby shift its focus more towards the midgrade's as they were seen almost exclusively since the start of the second season.

I have a well-crafted replica that is essentially museum quality as it's the closest to the real deal that I will ever own.

Yet that's my 2.2 cents lol

The owner of the 2021 "hero" also has a well-crafted replica that is the closest to the real deal that anyone without expert knowledge could ever own.

But, yes, now that 50% of the heroes have been found, the midgrades (which were produced in far greater numbers) deserve more love.
 
The owner of the 2021 "hero" also has a well-crafted replica that is the closest to the real deal that anyone without expert knowledge could ever own.
I wouldn't consider the 2021 "hero" well crafted, and I'm far from an expert on the hero phasers.

I'm just cursed with the knowledge of how paint, wears and ages over time. It really does take the fun out of some restorations I've seen as each type of finish have certain characteristics which give it away...

Let me stop my mini rant... **sigh**
 
Honestly, I think the Jein phaser would be best preserved in its current state as opposed trying to "restore" it as there are simply so many different things that could go wrong.
I agree - there's work that could be done to repair the breaks and damage documented in the auction photos, and ensure that the pieces fit together for display. In some of the photos prior to the auction, it looked like the prop had been displayed in pieces.
 
I agree - there's work that could be done to repair the breaks and damage documented in the auction photos, and ensure that the pieces fit together for display. In some of the photos prior to the auction, it looked like the prop had been displayed in pieces.
No, even repairing the breaks does more harm than good.

I believe in a very minimalist approach
 
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