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Serafino
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Re: New Enterprise? What the H@*$
The problem is not change, the problem is change for the sake of change, and specifically change for the sake of capturing young Kirk's eye. Apparently he's the sort to fall for hot-rodding and other cliches of adolescent male fantasy, so that's what the ship needed to look like "for the story"--just like it needed to be built on the ground "for the story".
I knew the ship reminded me of something:
DrMcCoy--you make a good point. I think I would rather have seen something completely new than this distorted vision.
The problem is not change, the problem is change for the sake of change, and specifically change for the sake of capturing young Kirk's eye. Apparently he's the sort to fall for hot-rodding and other cliches of adolescent male fantasy, so that's what the ship needed to look like "for the story"--just like it needed to be built on the ground "for the story".
I knew the ship reminded me of something:
DrMcCoy--you make a good point. I think I would rather have seen something completely new than this distorted vision.
Qui-Gonzalez
Master Member
So...they've improved on the old version, right? I mean, I like it, and like I said...it says Trek to me. Isn't the Enterprise a made up pretend thing in the first place?
To date, the only movie I bashed, sight unseen, was Superman Returns. I was kinda right on that one. This looks like Paramount is trying to bring in people like me who only glance at Trek every now and again. If they can make a fan out of me, or others like me, based on this film, then they have done it right.
Not at all. It's a mish mash of features alluding more to the movie versions of the ship.
It needs to be something along the lines of the Cage. Not the Motion Picture.
The reality of it all is to sell more toys. No respect for the story or the history of a cultural icon.
This was a chance to step up and do it right. Which first reports sounded like they were going to do it.
Abrams was riding the wave of Lost and was selected. He even admits that he wasn't that big of a fan.
But that's no worse than Paramount selecting people to write TNG when one admitted he'd never seen a single episode.
Typical Paramount screw up.
Prop Collector
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Re: New Enterprise? What the H@*$
The only similarity between this and the original series is the character names. It's just not Trek.
The only similarity between this and the original series is the character names. It's just not Trek.
Re: New Enterprise? What the H@*$
With the trailer out and the new ship design I keep coming back to one thing that is obvious in both - Abrams is not a fan of Star Trek. Not to say someone has to be a fan of something to work on a movie, Nick Meyer wasn't a fan but Rddenberry and others were there to stop him if he tried to go too far (Meyer wanted to redesign the bridge and make a new type of Vulcan. He sort of got is way with Savic). Meyer changed the uniforms and added more of submarine coda to Trek but the characters were just as faithful as always - and when he took over there was even more fortitute given to the original series with the return of Khan.
In the new movie's case - it looks like someone who is not only a fan but really has no respect. It's a bad script with a lot of effects - like getting Alex Ross to do a cover for a Jim Valentino comic book - Jim is going to take you trough the motions but you really won't feel like stuffing the book in mylar when you're done with it.
With the trailer out and the new ship design I keep coming back to one thing that is obvious in both - Abrams is not a fan of Star Trek. Not to say someone has to be a fan of something to work on a movie, Nick Meyer wasn't a fan but Rddenberry and others were there to stop him if he tried to go too far (Meyer wanted to redesign the bridge and make a new type of Vulcan. He sort of got is way with Savic). Meyer changed the uniforms and added more of submarine coda to Trek but the characters were just as faithful as always - and when he took over there was even more fortitute given to the original series with the return of Khan.
In the new movie's case - it looks like someone who is not only a fan but really has no respect. It's a bad script with a lot of effects - like getting Alex Ross to do a cover for a Jim Valentino comic book - Jim is going to take you trough the motions but you really won't feel like stuffing the book in mylar when you're done with it.
With the trailer out and the new ship design I keep coming back to one thing that is obvious in both - Abrams is not a fan of Star Trek. Not to say someone has to be a fan of something to work on a movie, Nick Meyer wasn't a fan but Rddenberry and others were there to stop him if he tried to go too far (Meyer wanted to redesign the bridge and make a new type of Vulcan. He sort of got is way with Savic). Meyer changed the uniforms and added more of submarine coda to Trek but the characters were just as faithful as always - and when he took over there was even more fortitute given to the original series with the return of Khan.
In the new movie's case - it looks like someone who is not only a fan but really has no respect. It's a bad script with a lot of effects - like getting Alex Ross to do a cover for a Jim Valentino comic book - Jim is going to take you trough the motions but there will be nothing good at the end.
In the new movie's case - it looks like someone who is not only a fan but really has no respect. It's a bad script with a lot of effects - like getting Alex Ross to do a cover for a Jim Valentino comic book - Jim is going to take you trough the motions but there will be nothing good at the end.
KnightAsylum
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Re: New Enterprise? What the H@*$
Love the ship and the new trailer looks fantastic to me. I can't wait to see this. :love
Love the ship and the new trailer looks fantastic to me. I can't wait to see this. :love
I think it's interesting to watch people here simply blow off that the history of Trek seems to be ignored with this version.
Yet those same people constantly bomb blast Lucas for changing the designs and overall look of the the prequels.
If Abrams did episodes 7,8, and 9 and changed the Millenium Falcon to look like some thing from the prequels, these same folks would lynch him.
Yet those same people constantly bomb blast Lucas for changing the designs and overall look of the the prequels.
If Abrams did episodes 7,8, and 9 and changed the Millenium Falcon to look like some thing from the prequels, these same folks would lynch him.
GrenadeKing
Sr Member
Probably stepping into dangerous territory... but, I don't really care either way. In my opinion, people can do what they want with the designs.
Blasphemy I know.
You know why I think that though? Because the originals will always still exist. Nothing can ever touch them. No matter how much you reboot or reimage or remake the original story, the original story will still exist.
I'm not going to shoot down the entire movie just because its different. Just because its not "canon". I honestly don't care. I'm going to give it a chance.
Original Trek exited long before, and will continue to exist, long after this movie has run its coarse.
Blasphemy I know.
You know why I think that though? Because the originals will always still exist. Nothing can ever touch them. No matter how much you reboot or reimage or remake the original story, the original story will still exist.
I'm not going to shoot down the entire movie just because its different. Just because its not "canon". I honestly don't care. I'm going to give it a chance.
Original Trek exited long before, and will continue to exist, long after this movie has run its coarse.
Solo4114
Master Member
It depends, actually. I'd certainly do that if he were doing Eps. VII-IX. But if he was doing Eps. IV-VI again or simply telling some alternate continuity....I'd probably be more pissed about the fact that they were rebooting something that in my mind might not need rebooting.
If THAT's one's gripe here, then yeah, I totally understand. If you want more of old-school Trek, this movie will NOT give it to you except insofar as a few aspects of costume design.
If you are cool with the notion of a reboot of the series in general, then it's best to look at this film through that lens. It's just a reboot. Doesn't matter what anyone says, for all intents and purposes this is a reboot. It may be a reboot that hews closer to the originals than, say, the Bond reboot, but it still strikes me as a reboot. I'm cool with that, as long as it does a good job. I haven't watched the trailer yet, but I'm probably just goign to avoid it so I can go in and see the film with fresh eyes (unless I hear that it really is like a Michael Bay film ahead of time).
Once you accept it's a reboot, it doesn't need to be faithful to old school Trek except in very general terms. I honestly think that the guys at Paramount saw the success of the BSG reboot, and said "Hey, we can do that, right? Get that guy from TV and have him do it."
I will, however, say that it's wrong to manipulate fans and BS them into believing that they'll get a return to the classic style Trek and then pull a fast one on them like this. If what Abrams said really did mislead fans, either he should've been WAY more careful in selecting his words, or he should own up to the fact that he's full of crap and pulled a bait-n-switch on them. The one good thing about this is that any old school fan who's really bothered by this can probably tell as much from the promo material, so at least they get their disappointment BEFORE they shell out $10 for a ticket.
If THAT's one's gripe here, then yeah, I totally understand. If you want more of old-school Trek, this movie will NOT give it to you except insofar as a few aspects of costume design.
If you are cool with the notion of a reboot of the series in general, then it's best to look at this film through that lens. It's just a reboot. Doesn't matter what anyone says, for all intents and purposes this is a reboot. It may be a reboot that hews closer to the originals than, say, the Bond reboot, but it still strikes me as a reboot. I'm cool with that, as long as it does a good job. I haven't watched the trailer yet, but I'm probably just goign to avoid it so I can go in and see the film with fresh eyes (unless I hear that it really is like a Michael Bay film ahead of time).
Once you accept it's a reboot, it doesn't need to be faithful to old school Trek except in very general terms. I honestly think that the guys at Paramount saw the success of the BSG reboot, and said "Hey, we can do that, right? Get that guy from TV and have him do it."
I will, however, say that it's wrong to manipulate fans and BS them into believing that they'll get a return to the classic style Trek and then pull a fast one on them like this. If what Abrams said really did mislead fans, either he should've been WAY more careful in selecting his words, or he should own up to the fact that he's full of crap and pulled a bait-n-switch on them. The one good thing about this is that any old school fan who's really bothered by this can probably tell as much from the promo material, so at least they get their disappointment BEFORE they shell out $10 for a ticket.
Solo4114
Master Member
Freudian slip?
Seriously though, I agree. But I also sympathize with fans who may feel misled (although I don't know what Abrams said specifically). If Abrams really did basically BS folks, then those fans will definitely punish him for it by simply being absent from the theaters. He may not care and figures he'll make it up with new converts, but it strikes me as risky to tell people "No, it's totally a return to the original" and then make radical changes. That's just bad marketing sense.
GrenadeKing
Sr Member
Freudian slip?
Oops. :$
ArtistTheGeek
Sr Member
Re: New Enterprise? What the H@*$
I've been a trek fan since i saw wrath of khan when it came out. And I really like this design. When I first saw it my first thought was "ooh... it's the same but different, cool"
I'm actually surprised how much they've kept it the same shape/layout/proportion as the original design. I was expecting much larger changes.
I guess it's the same as the new Battlestar series, everyone hated those designs too, and the series rocked. Sometime people act like their worlds have ended for no particular reason.
it's just a film guys
I've been a trek fan since i saw wrath of khan when it came out. And I really like this design. When I first saw it my first thought was "ooh... it's the same but different, cool"
I'm actually surprised how much they've kept it the same shape/layout/proportion as the original design. I was expecting much larger changes.
I guess it's the same as the new Battlestar series, everyone hated those designs too, and the series rocked. Sometime people act like their worlds have ended for no particular reason.
it's just a film guys
Ramiel
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AnubisGuard
Master Member
I hate to tell you this, but the original Enterprise was made up and pretend, too.
TheSt.LouisKid
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Re: New Enterprise? What the H@*$
OOOH! Glowey things inside the engines!
OOOH! Glowey things inside the engines!
Ramiel
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Re: New Enterprise? What the H@*$
And it's a good point, the only "complain" I have is that they need to revamp the franchise, because at the moment there are few Start Trek fans out there, and many, many, many people that COULD be Trek fans, but they have no idea this series is actually a good one, or new generations who don't know anything about it, and this movie is also for all of them.
Actually I'm glad Abrams isn't a fan of Star Trek, so he is not "constrained" by his "fan emotions" to do something that could end being a giant fan-film...
Sometimes good things came from unexpected people (direct and really stupid example: I have a friend that is a writer and he hates vampires, but when I asked him how he would write a vampire story he came up with a great and original idea, just because his mind was "free" from preconceptions).
Of course I see why die-hard fans could be pissed, this could be the "kingdom of the crystal skull" for Star Trek, but I really see this movie like a "what if they had today's resources to do it back then" kind of movie, or this is how I think they are doing it... Of course I'm also a little biased 'cause I'm a big Abrams and Trek fan, so I'll be there for sure,but so far I like what I saw...
But this just my personal idea, so it works just for me I guess...
And it's a good point, the only "complain" I have is that they need to revamp the franchise, because at the moment there are few Start Trek fans out there, and many, many, many people that COULD be Trek fans, but they have no idea this series is actually a good one, or new generations who don't know anything about it, and this movie is also for all of them.
Actually I'm glad Abrams isn't a fan of Star Trek, so he is not "constrained" by his "fan emotions" to do something that could end being a giant fan-film...
Sometimes good things came from unexpected people (direct and really stupid example: I have a friend that is a writer and he hates vampires, but when I asked him how he would write a vampire story he came up with a great and original idea, just because his mind was "free" from preconceptions).
Of course I see why die-hard fans could be pissed, this could be the "kingdom of the crystal skull" for Star Trek, but I really see this movie like a "what if they had today's resources to do it back then" kind of movie, or this is how I think they are doing it... Of course I'm also a little biased 'cause I'm a big Abrams and Trek fan, so I'll be there for sure,but so far I like what I saw...
But this just my personal idea, so it works just for me I guess...
Re: New Enterprise? What the H@*$
It's not the design that bothers me as much as the trailer does. The I-Robot kind of dispensability of it as well as the reliability of sub standard craftsmanship is the cause for my prediction. I really want a good Trek movie - I really really want one. I really wanted a good Indy film as well as a good Superman film - but I know Trek will end up the same as those did.
It's not the design that bothers me as much as the trailer does. The I-Robot kind of dispensability of it as well as the reliability of sub standard craftsmanship is the cause for my prediction. I really want a good Trek movie - I really really want one. I really wanted a good Indy film as well as a good Superman film - but I know Trek will end up the same as those did.
