Jedi Training Remote

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  1. newmagrathea

    newmagrathea Sr Member

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    Hey guy's I'm about to kick off building a Jedi Training Remote. This is my first foray into kit-bashing, studio scale, and molding and casting. I believe that I have all the parts and materials except for some paint. I do have some questions that my research hasn't been able to confirm and was wondering if anyone knew.

    Questions

    1. The wheels from the Kenworth kit some have lugs and some do not. We do know that both were used on the real prop, but do we know how many of each? And what is the pattern of placement for them if any?

    2. I've seen a few people use different thicknesses of styrene sheet to make the panels, do we know what the actual thickness is? I've seen both .75 mm(.030 inch), and .5 mm(.020 inch), seems like quite a disparity.

    3. I'm wanting some opinions on the best way to make parts chrome. I'm going to be molding and casting the parts because there are not enough in each kit and the wheels need to be chrome. I've seen some people send out for a plating service, I've seen some paint with high gloss black paint and then spray chrome paint with some success. I'm sure there are more options and I'd like to know about them and the pros and cons of each.

    List of Parts
    1/48 Tamiya Panther "Type G" (Bandai is what was used on the real prop)
    cupola
    hatches
    tank treads
    Detail - part #3
    Muffler Baffle


    1/24 ERTL Kenworth T-600 kit #6976 — or — AMT Midnight Express
    Chrome truck rims * 8
    Axle Bracket * 8


    1/72 scale M-4(A3E8) Sherman tank model by Hasegawa
    Male Wheel halves
    Female wheel halves


    1/72 Airfix Panzer IV
    wheels

    2x 6 inch Plastruct VHH-600 hemispheres


    Scotchlite Reflective tape to back the hubs and cupolas

    Styrene sheet


    Paint + alternative colors
    Floquil Freight Car Brown = Testers acrylic rust
    Floquil Reefer White = white testers primer, Tamiya flat white, Testers Insignia white
    testers flint gray = Tamiya Haze Grey


    Here are my resources for researching this project. If you know of any others please share them with me.

    Resources
    http://www.therpf.com/showthread.php?t=42132
    http://www.therpf.com/showthread.php?t=150843
    http://www.partsofsw.com/tremote/trremote.htm




    Am I forgetting anything? I plan to post progress but I don't expect that this will go very fast seeing as how there a lot of first for me. Any tips, ideas, tricks are welcome. Thanks for looking.
     
  2. marvin

    marvin Well-Known Member

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    Can't help you with your questions since i haven't built the remote yet. But good luck on your first build. I'm sure you will enjoy the hell out of it.
     
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  3. Jedi Dade

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    BrundelFly you seek...
     
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  4. Clerval

    Clerval Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    At some point, you've just got to start in. You can go a hell of a long way on this project before you need any of the detail bits, working out the rim placement, detail placement, how to properly cut the plate detail so that it conforms to the sphere and gives you a good vertical spacing, etc... and getting into building a good way along. Cast your parts if you're satisfied they're matches or near enough. Only thing I'd do, if you can or choose, is get a good look at what the Tamiya has v the original Bandai. (I'm guessing Detail 3 is the U-Brackets) Scale match is nice, but they may not have agreed on some 1:1 dimensions, and you might find that nudging something a mm or a few one way or another throws you off. In short though, get going. :)
     
  5. mirdhim

    mirdhim Active Member

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    Hi newmagrathea!

    You have overtaken me!!

    I was working in this model too.
    I would have liked to make a complete thread with all the process. (dedicated especially to Luke0312, who was the first member, who helped me in this forum, providing me a copy of the Brundelfly's tutorial)

    I have the bandai Panther, and you can ask me for same cast you want.
    There are some conflictive points in the measures, if you have same doubts, I´ll tell you what I decided (Only "my" interpretation, of course, I´m not any expert)

    Thanks to post this so generously

    Cheers.

    Luis
     
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  6. newmagrathea

    newmagrathea Sr Member

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    Yeah, I'm going to start teaching myself about casting and molding first. I'll probably go through the materials that were sent in the kit I bough and watch some videos on youtube.

    If anyone knows of some good resources for learning about it please send it my way.
     
  7. newmagrathea

    newmagrathea Sr Member

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    Nice, if you want to post your progress on here you can. I'm going to cast all my parts so I hopefully don't destroy any original parts. I would definitely be interested in some of your cast parts of the Bandai, I can send you a set of Tamiya cast parts. I would love to see the difference in sizes and detail.
     
  8. -... . .- --..

    -... . .- --.. Sr Member

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    Why not just buy a 1/48 Bandai Panther G? It's not at all rare, was used on bunches of studio-built miniatures, and I'm pretty sure you can still buy them on eBay, where it looks like they're actually a good bit cheaper than that Tamiya kit.
     
  9. newmagrathea

    newmagrathea Sr Member

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    Interesting, I couldn't find any for sale when I was hunting down these kits. I may just pick one up that is found on the bay. Thanks
     
  10. mirdhim

    mirdhim Active Member

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    This site has a lot of information, tutorials.....

    http://www.smooth-on.com/


    Luis.
     
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  11. kuwahero

    kuwahero New Member

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    I'm contemplating building one of these too. Have only bought a Hasegawa kit so far. Lol

    I will watch your progress on this with great interest. Thanks for sharing so far, it has helped me discover what parts/kits I need to find.

    kuwahero
     
  12. BrundelFly

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    I keep getting PMs asking for my tutorial.

    I found it, but it needs some tweaking. Ill post a link soon.

    Frank
     
  13. swpropmaker

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    Frank your Training remote was one of the first things ever offered as a kit! what was it 95ish? Post some pics of it and lets take a gander!
     
  14. Jedi Dade

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    Frank's training remote was one of the first props I actually built... now building that kit would feel like cheating :)

    But so glad I did it.

    That remote and my first wildly inaccurate DL-44... good times...
     
  15. KrokoHunter

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    That's where you'd be wrong ... they've sold to crazy prices on ePay lately :/

    - - - Updated - - -

    for your questions:

    1. the Hubs - 6 with bolts, 2 without :)
    2. plastic ... I used 1mm which I vac-formed over the hemispheres, and then cut all the parts from that ...... so probably close to .75mm
     
  16. newmagrathea

    newmagrathea Sr Member

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    Yeah, I've looked for that kit and only seen one for sale on the bay, it's price went higher than all of the supplies I've bought combined so I passed on it. Thanks for the info. I need to get to work on this, I've been busy with yard work now that it's getting nice out.
     
  17. spoudastis

    spoudastis Well-Known Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    really excited for you to re-post, all my parts are ready to go! really appreciate you bringing this back for us latecomers.
     
  18. tomm1999

    tomm1999 Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Best advice I can give is to buy some WED clay and start making molds. Its surprising easy on simple, non detailed items. Once you get into items with a lot of details is where it becomes tough.

    A vacuum degasser helps but try not to trap air bubbles and you should be OK. Pour slowly and shake/ tap the mold box while pouring.
     
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  19. Yubnub

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    Wow! Such an excellent source of info! Thanks for putting this up. (As if I needed any help spending money!)

    looking around at at model kits and things, has anyone tried using some of the newer AMT Peterbilt 359 1/25 models? Their availability is quite good but was wondering about the parts being even remotely useable. The wheels look spot on but not sure about the axle mounts being present.

    Has anyone modelled these up in CAD before? The greeblies are tiny but I've had great success with shapeways hi res frosted detail material before. I'd be happy to give it a try if someone is willing to lend some parts that I can measure up.
     
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  20. kuwahero

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    Picked up a 00 Airfix Panzer IV which I read somewhere was the correct model, however, I can't seem to find where I referenced this. I believe this scale is 1/76?

    I see you have a 1/72 Airfix Panzer IV. Did I get the wrong one? or is the diff in size negligible.
     
  21. newmagrathea

    newmagrathea Sr Member

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    I don't know the kit you bought, but scale-wise it shouldn't make much difference. However sometimes the parts are not the same in different sized kits.
     
  22. kuwahero

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    This is the box image from my Ebay purchase. Listed as Airfix A208V OO Scale 1/76 Panzer IV - 1st release Type 3D Boxing 1971-72 $_57.JPG
    Will take some pics of the sprues when I get a chance.

    $_57.JPG
     
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  23. KrokoHunter

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    no wories ... that is the right set :)
     
  24. newmagrathea

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    So does that mean I have the incorrect kit at 1:72?

     
  25. KrokoHunter

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    nope .. for some reason Airfix at some point rebranded all their OO Scale (1/76) to 1/72 ...... but it's the same set
     
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  26. kuwahero

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    Thanks Kroko. Good to know

    Managed to pick up a 1/24 Kenworth and a 1/48 Bandai Panther. Time to learn about moulding I think!
     
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  27. Rats

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    Revell did the same for some of their old Matchbox re-releases. 1/76 originally, now boxed as 1/72..
     
  28. newmagrathea

    newmagrathea Sr Member

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    I was pulling parts from my kits to get this going and I ran into a snag. I can't find this part that is circled below. I believe it's the muffler baffle but I don't see it in the Tamiya kit. Is it only present in the Bandai kit? Are there alternatives, or am I just missing it?

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  29. Clerval

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    It's from the Bandai Panther, can't help as to the Tamiya yes/no.

    sry to say I'm not likely to see my molds for a few days (I'm dumping my donor kits and will find them mixed in with) but I will assume that anyone who has built the remote may have access to this mold and resin... perhaps saving you having to find the Fuman/Bandai (though I'd really recommend it)
     
  30. newmagrathea

    newmagrathea Sr Member

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    Yeah, I've been trying to get my hands on a Bandai but I keep getting out bid.
     
  31. Clerval

    Clerval Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    ah, yes that'll do it, the scourge of the hobby. Well, hopefully someone will be able to step up soon. Fortunately, you can 'complete' the remote without them; the drawback being that as you weather it, you won't have the pieces in place to interact with any wash or splatter, and so will want to hold off or re-work those areas to unify your surface details and main form.
     
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  32. stonky

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    If you're in a "scratching" mood this is what I get for the measurements:

    panther_g_remote_part.jpg
     
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  33. KrokoHunter

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    I think I have a dumpmold of the part, if interested .... but almost out of resin
     
  34. newmagrathea

    newmagrathea Sr Member

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    Yeah, that would be great. I'm planning on making a gang mold of parts so I'd only need one.
     
  35. KrokoHunter

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    Ok ... I'll be away from home most of the following week, shooting new LEGO TV ads .... but I'll look into it, when I'm back :D

    Have a great weekend
     
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  36. KrokoHunter

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    Sorry for the delay .... casting the parts for you now, with my last drops of resin .... soon need to restash :D
     
  37. newmagrathea

    newmagrathea Sr Member

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    Crap, I don't need them now. I just won an ebay auction for the kit, I just got on here to post about it. :facepalm Thank you so much for doing that still.
     
  38. KrokoHunter

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    No worries .. I can use the castings myself :)

    Happy building
     
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  39. stonky

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    There's a penalty - build pics. :)
     
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  40. newmagrathea

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    The Panther kit came in and I can confirm that the part is not in the Tamiya kit. Tamiya molded the muffler as one piece so you don't have to assemble it unlike the Bandai.

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    This is what the Tamiya muffler looks like.
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    Here is the assembly instructions and muffler baffle in the Bandai kit.
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  41. Vacformedhero

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    Thanks for sharing
     
  42. halliwax

    halliwax Master Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    is there any blue prints of where all the model parts go? or measurements for all the styrene panels?

    i love all the model kit parts used to make this happen!
     
  43. newmagrathea

    newmagrathea Sr Member

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    Not really, there is BrundleFly’s instructions which have some measurements, it’s pretty handy. But no blue print that I know of. One thing that I’ve noticed reading through a couple build threads is that your measurement are slightly different if you vac-form your parts VS cut them out of flat styrene.
     
  44. halliwax

    halliwax Master Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    is his instructions here on the site or off site? you got me itching to read this stuff!
     
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  46. halliwax

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  47. Vacformedhero

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    I pulled my first cast parts this week, following a while of looking at punished props videos and DaveG brilliant documented moulds building methods , it worked extremely well , trial size silicone moulds kit is used up , and I'm manufacturing y-wing greebles :D
     
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  48. theyrenotdolls

    theyrenotdolls Well-Known Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    any chance you going to be offering out a kit of remote cast parts?

    Den

     
  49. halliwax

    halliwax Master Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    im also curious if you will be offering kits?

    anyone know where to purchase the domes? can you tell i got the bug for this...
     
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  50. Big Dog

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    Here is the link for the domes. This is the link for them in acrylic, but moving to the base hemisphere dome page on their site you can search for specific materials and there is also ABS available. That would be a softer material that is easier to scribe, but won't be see-through.
     

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