Jack Sparrow Compass Toy Conversion

Discussion in 'Replica Props' started by Kylash, Jul 12, 2006.

  1. Kylash

    Kylash Master Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Ok, so i really wanted a Jack compass after Dead Man's chest, wanted back with the first one but just never knew where to start. Ive seen the MR one and frankly, for the price, im not impressed and think I could do better myself. Quite a statement, but I want to give it a try anyway. So we've got 2 toys out there to choose from. The costume set toy accessory and the MegaBloks compass. I started with the accessory toy and then picked up the MegaBloks one to compare. Unfortunatly the sizes are slightly different.

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    Going by the MR measurements of about 3.5x3.5x2.5, ive compared that to these. The MegaBloks is 4x4...half and inch too BIG. The accessory toy is 3x3... a half and inch too SHORT all the way around. So i had to make a compromise, and considering the MegaBloks one didnt even have an inside, and the dome was a bit stubby, and it frankly just looked too * big, I decided to go with the accessory toy, I can live with it being a half inch too small all around.

    Now I didnt get any pictures of it before I started hacking away, but basically here is what I did to get it to the point you see here. I started by taking the whole thing apart, comes apart easily. Took out the dial, the inner gear stuff, etc. I chopped about a half inch off the bottom, it was definetly too tall. By cutting that down, you then need to cut down the ring around the top of the bottom section that comes off, down just as much, if not more, than what you cut off the bottom of the main piece so it still fits on.

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    Now, the "clasp" that was sculpted onto the thing isnt even close and needs to be completely removed. So take your dremel to it. I then went down to the local art store and got a $2 small wooden craft box that had a clasp on it. My luck the accurate one was a combination of two they had, so I had to get two clasps and combine the parts. I also had to cut the main clasp front in the corners to make it accurate. Ok, so now we've got a clasp. When the time comes it will be nailed in, not easy with plastic, but I might cheat that somehow later...

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    Next, the clasp needs a closing pin, so I drilled out a small hole in the front, cut off the end of a plastic paintbrush, and glued it in. Perfect.

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    And that's where I'm at right now. If you cant tell, I also scuffed the thing up big time on purpose. Dremeled a few corners of the white strips and sanded some scratches to give it the wooden texture, as this thing was perfectly smooth and pretty to start with. The next things I need to do are thicken up the walls on the top half, repaint the inside of the dome, put in the leather texture, then add some thin white strip pieces to the bottom (as the bottom ones are just painted, not raised) and then work on the inside.

    I completely dremeled out the sundial as it really wasnt close at all. I may use the 3 corner pieces but then sculpt the middle over it. It will then be reinstalled slightly under the main body, not level with it, and then the compass dial under it, which was incredibly accurate for a toy, so I dont think ill change the graphic at all, maybe just dirty it up a bit. Then the back ring needs replacing. Anyway, updates as I go, have fun.
     
  2. Ramiel

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    I'm sitting here with my popcorns and a coke (and obviously my hand-made compass-thing...) :D
     
  3. Kylash

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    i think you're the only one ^^;
     
  4. LiquidPhoenix

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    No I to want to see how things turn out. Looks good so far.
     
  5. James Kenobi 1138

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    Back to basics, a solid conversion. I'm looking forward to the finished pics, it's looking good so far.
     
  6. DARTH SABER

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    Im eagerly watching as well.

    I'm curious to see what you come up with for the brass ring that the sundial sits on (And how to get the tiny etchings on it).

    Great work so far BTW.


    DS
     
  7. donsolo

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    Lookin good so far, nice work on sanding the plastic to a wood texture.
     
  8. lilpropdude

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    I have the blueprints for this prop and i was going to make one out of wood, but i'll hold off to see how the toy turns out, i'll have to search target for one just in case.

    maybe once you have it to the size you want you could mold it and run it in resin.
     
  9. Forbidden Zone

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    Looking great so far. I'll definitely be following this thread.

    Question...is this toy readily availble? Someone mentioned Target?
     
  10. Kylash

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    Yeah, ive seen the normal set with the sword and stuff at Walmart, its in a flat box, and the set I got with the chest instead of the sword, at Target. The set was about $18-20.
     
  11. jhusel

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    Very cool, I want to do this too. I can't wait to see what all you do to it.

    Jhusel
     
  12. Ramiel

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    As you can see, I'm not the only one interested... ;)
     
  13. jhusel

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    Hey, Ramiel pass that popcorn. :D

    jhusel
     
  14. Great_Bizarro

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    Walmart Source for Compass Toy
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    And more goodies. all for $14.84
    Put a low rpm motor in it and hook the needle to it. Anyone have artwork for the brass ring, I may be able to cut a mask for painting one if it's not too intricate.
     
  15. Kylash

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    do you mean the ring around the sundial with the numbers on it? Its actually part of the whole crosshairs piece there, not a separate disk or ring.. unless youre talking about something else
     
  16. OPPI

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    This is great. The moment i saw this set at walmart i thought to myself, "self that compass is pretty close to the size and pretty detailed for part of a 15.00 kit. I can probably make it look pretty good" Guess you beat me to it. Cant wait to see the progress.

    Any pics of the chest that came with your target set?? I have only see the walmart set above

    thanks, and keep up the good work
    dan
     
  17. Kylash

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  18. lilpropdude

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    is the compass that comes with the chest the same as the one wally world offers?
     
  19. Kylash

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  20. Ramiel

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    Hey jhusel, here the popcorn :D
    Just for curiosity (yeah, sure)... How much could cost the shipping of a set like that in Italy? ;)
     
  21. OPPI

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    <div class='quotetop'>(Ramiel @ Jul 13 2006, 04:09 PM) [snapback]1280163[/snapback]</div>

    well if it were to be bought and repacked probably not too much. The box it comes in, the walmart ine that is, is very long and thin. It didnt weigh that much either probably less than 2 pounds total weight with a box. Even a little less on the shipping if you only want the compass and not all the other frilly stuff. But i dont think it will make a difference either way, the other stuff does not make up that much weigh. Looks like about 21.00 for airmail parcel post

    dan
     
  22. Ramiel

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    Thanks for the info Dan ;)
     
  23. PHArchivist

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    I'll be doing this too. Can't wait to see your results.
     
  24. roboprop

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    It's a fun project.

    Darrin
     
  25. B-Movie Zombie

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    Very Cool. :thumbsup, I will be keeping an eye on this thread.
     
  26. lilpropdude

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    my search on pictures of the real prop i cant make out the actual color is it supposed to be black? some pictures it looks grey in others wood color, i'm sure theres more then one version of the hero as i've seen "screen used" pictures shows brown leather under the lid and grey leather its confusing.

    Nick :confused
     
  27. Kylash

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    the first movie compass dial seems quite a bit different too, im going with the new one when Im converting mine. I think its a very dark wood, which can look different colors in different light.
     
  28. builditimust

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    Very cool. I will be watching for the finished pics.

    Brain
     
  29. Darth Fetty

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    This looks like fun...
    I'll be watching carefully since I might want to do this now too. :D

    Thanks.
     
  30. WebChief

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    Watching eagerly. Seems like a cheap, fun prop to build.
     
  31. Kylash

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    yes it is :D Ill have some updates this afternoon.
     
  32. SITHcamaro

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    <div class='quotetop'>(lilpropdude @ Jul 14 2006, 10:13 AM) [snapback]1280532[/snapback]</div>
    The wood is ebony, at least it was for the first movie.
     
  33. lilpropdude

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    thanks sith :) loved your video by the way not that you havent heard that a million times already but really cool. You got sooo robbed (oops salt on the wound) anyways your jack sparrow in my book any day...



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    The wood is ebony, at least it was for the first movie.
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  34. Kylash

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    little update, got most of the trim donw on the outside, since there was no raised panels. Just thin plastic from the box it came in cut to size :D Ill attach the clasp after the outside is painted, since it overlaps one of the white strips. Also primed it to see the clear strips better while working.

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  35. Guardian Devil

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    Wow thats coming on great. Can't wait to see this completed
     
  36. KingNothing

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    NICE. Hurry up and finish it... :D
     
  37. DarthCalibar

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    Looking great so far. keep up the fantastic work.

    :D
     
  38. PHArchivist

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    Kylash, now that you knee-deep into the project, any more thoughts/insight as to your selection as the base toy for the project?

    I'm still torn between the two...
     
  39. Kylash

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    id still say go with the costume accessory one...the MegaBloks is just too darn big, and has nothing inside, you dont get the dial, you dont get the inside detail. And a small update, Ive got the spinning dial set on a small screw thatrs loosely sitting inside an extra piece I cut from the gears inside the toy, and glued it to the inside bottom after grinding some stuff out so now it sits and is a little wobbly and can spin, like a real compass. :) I also finished the trim pieces around the outside, so im probably going to start painting the main body piece now.
     
  40. PHArchivist

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    Thanks for the insight, amigo...

    I've got a big mit, so the smaller one is -- well -- pretty small, but I do like the porportions better, and the fact that I can flip it open and closed easily with one hand.

    Two more quick questions if you odn't mind...

    1. Since the smaller one doesn't have the leatherette detail inside the lid, what did you/will you use?

    2. Did you do anything to the hinges to make them look more 18th century?
     
  41. Kylash

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    yeah i forgot to mention that, i need to cut off and replace the hinge :p Havent found one yet, but havent had the chance to go looking. And im not sure on the leather... gotta find the right texture...might just sculpt it in with something...not sure... or just grind the texture in with a dremel.
     
  42. Kylash

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    ok a few more pics. Got the main parts painted and weathered and the clasp on. The pics make the white look alot brighter than it is, its actually a yellowed dirty color. Now gotta find a hinge thats right...and im not sure where to start finding the back ring... also, in hindsight, i think I cut the bottom half down a bit too much, didnt really notice until I got the white trim on and saw what space was left...but too late now. Either way, slowly getin there.

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  43. Mike J.

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    I've seen similar ring things sold as picture hangers, along with various hooks & what-not.


    -Mike
     
  44. lilpropdude

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    wow looks good, what did you use for the trim? i've started this project to and im at the stage where i cut 1/2 inch off bottom and have sanded down the whole toy, not using the original bottom made one from sheet styrene and i'm glueing a stem in place to hold the dial glueing the whole thing together and then sanding it smooth. thought of using styrene for the trim but dont know.
     
  45. roboprop

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    You've been a busy little pirate there Kylash.

    Lookin' good man.

    D.
     
  46. Firefoxm31

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    dont supose you'd scan the face of the compass( the paper dial)...looks to be the most accurate i've seen..is it?
    Will
     
  47. DarthCalibar

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    <div class='quotetop'>(Firefoxm31 @ Jul 16 2006, 03:51 PM) [snapback]1282065[/snapback]</div>

    I was thinking the same thing. I plan on making a hardware compass but i didnt know what to do for the paper dial. Maybe someone with a master replica compass could make a free paper prop version.

    http://www.studiocreations.com/howto/bluep...wcompass01.html

    Just found this on google. Looks fantastic.
     
  48. Kylash

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    i dont have a scanner :( Otherwise I would, its pretty accurate, missing a few little tiny thin line details i think, but thats it. For the trim I used cut strips of the thin clear plastic used from the toys packaging.
     
  49. mtpalin

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    Great looking piece. Now all you gotta figure out is what you want most in the world :D
     
  50. Shadow Duchess

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    Definitely looking forward to seeing the progress on this.
    Looks good so far.
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