Is our Culture making killers?

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NAZGÛL

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So I rewatched Terminator. It was one of the fav films for me and my friends when I was a teen, so Ive seen it alot.

When watching the police station massacre scene now I cant help but feeling weird. The school shootings and now even the cinema massacre. The killers might have been inspired by those very scenes or scenes like them.

Ive always had a strong belief in that violent films and computer games could not turn anyone into a killer. Now being the father of two kids, Im not so sure anymore.

So do you feel our culture and fascination for violence has any resposibility for the few individuals that do school massacres? Why are they happening now?
 
Short answer: no!

Those doing those deeds holds all responsibility.

The notion is insulting to all those who've seen those movies, played those games, lived in this culture and HAVEN'T turned into a callous homicidal maniac.
 
When watching the police station massacre scene now I cant help but feeling weird. The school shootings and now even the cinema massacre. The killers might have been inspired by those very scenes or scenes like them.

Let's assume they were 'inspired' by these things. What does that mean then? Do we eliminate all of that kind of thing, even for those of us who don't go around murdering people indiscriminately? No, the answer is to identify these people and remove them from society, any way necessary, permanently.
 
I would say no. There have always been homicidal fruitloops. I'd say that saying that a movie, game, rap song etc "inspiring" people is more along the lines of an excuse for what would have happened anyway.

It's hip to be cynical about the "human animal" and how you can't trust people to differentiate between entertainment and reality but realistically, 95% of people out there are perfectly decent, reasonable humans who aren't looking to do any more than to get on with their lives in peace.
 
It's hip to be cynical about the "human animal" and how you can't trust people to differentiate between entertainment and reality but realistically, 95% of people out there are perfectly decent, reasonable humans who aren't looking to do any more than to get on with their lives in peace.

The percentage is much higher. Think about it, let's say there's been 100 people in the last 50 years who acted like this. There are currently 6 billion people on the planet, so what's 100/6,000,000,000? Something like 0.0000000167%?
 
The percentage is much higher. Think about it, let's say there's been 100 people in the last 50 years who acted like this. There are currently 6 billion people on the planet, so what's 100/6,000,000,000? Something like 0.0000000167%?

You're right. I was suggesting that probably 5% of people in daily life could be dangerous (not necessarily mass murderers). But come to think of it, even that number is probably way less than 5% too.
 
Got to say no as well, I was basically brought up watching violent/horror films and playing violent video games. Never once have I thought about going out and actually harming anyone else. The movies/games industry is the easiest place to lay the blame though, "Little Johnny did this terrible thing because he saw this movie". That's BS, little johnny did it cos you''ve failed bringing him up.

Like I say I was watching TCM and the "video nasties" from probably 5 years old, but I was also brought up to respect people and treat them how I'd want them to treat me. Its about time people started taking responsiblity for these sick ####wits rather than looking for scape goats.
 
Sure, because of 24 hour news and the internet we hear about this violence a lot more. Sensationalism and all that. Not hearing about the violence so much prior to the internet doesn't mean it didn't happen, just that not everyone and their dog knew about it.
 
So its something thats been around for long then. Ive never heard of it before the Columbine shootings 1999.
 
There have always been insane people in this world and there always will be. Using TV, movies and video games as the reason for violent crimes is just a lazy excuse and doesn't get to the root of the problem which is that bat**** crazy people are going to do horrible things from time to time.
 
So its something thats been around for long then. Ive never heard of it before the Columbine shootings 1999.

Well I can't cite a particular example offhand, I'm merely speculating that it's easier to hear about things now so it can seem like more happens. Surely there are studies out there that show if violent crime really has risen or not.

Killings predated cinema, so what's to blame for every killer who never lived to see a movie?
 
Like you said its alot of it in the media and hard to get a sense of whats real. I hope you are right and that its not more common.
 
Actually, killers inspire other killers... and they can do that due to news media... so in a sense... the media is to blame, if you want to go that route.
 
A US citizen is probably 50 or 100 times more likely to become a billionaire than a serial killer. And the odds of becoming a billionaire are still pretty friggin' small.
 
But why couldnt films or games inspire them also? I am not on a crusade against film violence, Im just considering something I used to be sure of.
 
But why couldnt films or games inspire them also?
So what if they do? These ****tards could get inspired by looking at a milk carton. They get inspired by reading the paper and watching the news that sensationalize and make these cowards infamous.

Notice how copycats pop up everytime one of these idiots make the news. You don't really see copycats pop up after a movie or game has been released, now do you?

Killers inspire killers. And that's usually through the news.
 
If someone is going to be inspired to kill based on a video game or movie do you honestly think that they wouldn't be a killer otherwise? Up until seeing the Terminator shoot up the nightclub the person was perfectly rational and sane but saw that scene and thought "you know, killing people sounds like a swell time."
 
Sure, because of 24 hour news and the internet we hear about this violence a lot more. Sensationalism and all that. Not hearing about the violence so much prior to the internet doesn't mean it didn't happen, just that not everyone and their dog knew about it.

Sorry, but this is patently absurd.

While there is certainly no denying that the 24 hour news cycle creates more sensationalism (although the TKDR and Sikh shootings got VASTLY different coverage), the idea that the level of violence never changed but we're just hearing about it now is just kind of silly.

Find me a Columbine in the 1930's. Didn't exist.

Now, none of this is to say that there is no individual responsibility. I agree with everyone who says crazy people will do crazy things from time to time. That's what happens with random genetic mutations, sometimes something goes wrong.

But look, something else is going on here. Of the developed world, the US has the highest rate of gun violence.

We also have a culture which is incredibly desensitized to violence and violent imagery. I would encourage you all to check out 'This Film is Not Yet Rated' last time I checked, it was still on netflix streaming. It's not about violence per se, but it discusses the MPAA and their ratings criteria. In essence, under the MPAA's secret and mysterious guidelines, there's a pattern we can we whereby images of nudity or anything remotely sexual is censored much more than violence. Full frontal nudity is only for adults - it receives an R rating. But PG13 movies can be full of violence, blood, and gore.

Now, I'm not making any judgment here. You all are smart enough to decide what kind of content you want to view and you don't need me to tell you. I'm simply repeating an observation that other people have made; violence is less censored in the medium of film than is nudity or sexuality.

It's also the case that culture shapes human interaction. No, it is not the sole determinant, and culture does not remove individual responsibility. But anyone who tells you culture isn't an influence the actions of people within that culture, clearly doesn't understand what culture is and what it does.

Unless you think it's all a giant coincidence that we have a permissive attitude towards guns, have the highest rate of gun ownership per capita, and a very recent and very real history of mass shootings.

Seriously, you don't think that a nut that grows up in a culture that lionizes guns is going to be more prone to pick up a gun for his/her nutty antics than someone who grows up in a culture that doesn't?
 
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