Iron Patriot Build - 3d Print

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  1. smilerbaker

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    So having a mk3 war machine under my belt I decided a new project was in order :) something a bit more colourful as the last 2 big builds I've done have been grey, so I've gone for do3d's iron patriot.

    Initial impression - Do3d's files are pretty detailed, as part of the package you also get mk2 war machine as well, the difference only really seems to be the chest section but hey, always nice to get 2 for the price of 1


    Scaling - Oh dear - this is where it all goes a bit titsup, they haven't included an overall model, all the parts are individual files, in different orientations, so you have to do a lot of messing around importing them all, rotating, flipping etc etc, a total ballache. As I've also found with other do3d files they seem to be based on someone with a very weird body shape, I'm bang on mr middle aged average size, these files seem to be based on a 20 yr old 6ft6 world class body builder, with a tiny head.

    due to issues scaling the thing I've had a few useless prints :( trying to keep the proportions in sync just doesn't work so I've had to use different setting x, y and z and different settings per part. I've no idea how its going to end up looking :(

    I've also tried to scale it so I can actually move in it, in my war machine movement is pretty limited, I cant, for instance, touch my head with the arms on, which makes putting the helmet on (and taking it off) impossible.

    For the tech heads

    I'm using a cr10, and cr10 s5, PLA, .4 and .8 nozzle, S3D slicing software
     
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    here we go

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    finger time

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    all the wasted prints - decided to put them together to make a bust

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    The helmet is quite nicely done, a little thin at the bottom

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    Talking of thin, I printed the cannon :angry parts of it are paper thin, thats 60 hours down the toilet, totally unusable, they also seem to 'forgotten' a piece, its in 2 files but they have no way to join together. I have the impression I am the first person to try to print these files, a bit annoying that do3d seem to let their customers to the QA. They have sent me some replacement files, so we'll see how those go.


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  3. George

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    https://www.models-resource.com/mobile/marvelsfuturefight/model/15328/

    Open this up in Win10's '3d builder' ,divide the entire figure into separate body parts,and then scale them in Pepakura Designer 4 to match your dimensions.In addition,increase fluency of polygons (of the 3d model) in 3d builder as well.
    That's how I do it.I hope that helps !
     
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    I've been using make human and another paid app, can't remember the name now, but both have issues creating a representative body shape :( trying to get the model as small as possible and still fitting has been the main issue, not building enough slack into it.
     
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    I know what you mean.Postures as seen in movies and video games are highly exaggerated and rarely useable for cosplay.I found that out the hard way twice.
    Some make a ducttape mannequin and base their costumes off of that,but those lack muscles.
    I usually try to tweak the 3d model in pepakura designer so that it matches my own posture,so widen the waist in all directions for starters.It's time consuming moving all those vertexes,but worth it if you can now make your favorite costume to wear.
     
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    Well its been a while :)

    This print has been 'challenging' shall we say, its obvious no one has printed these files before and I've had a bit of toing and froing with do3d to fix issues with them, the gun for instance was paper thin and also missing a way to connect the top to bottom.

    They have also not been designed with printing or wearing in mind, so I've had to do some pretty big mods to 1. get the thing to print, 2. get it so you can actually put it on

    This has resulted in the chest section being printed 4 times :( that's a serious amount of filament and printing time wasted

    lets just say my patients with do3d is wearing pretty thin!! (sorry guys, I love your designs but PLEASE stop using your paying customers to do your quality control!! if you spent as much time checking the files as you did adding serial numbers and your logos all over them they would be ace)

    anyway printing is complete

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  7. DrCyanide

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    That looks great! My own printer has a volume of 120mm cubed and a max speed of 55mm/s, so printing an entire suit is out of the question for me. Any estimate how long it took to do the printing?
     
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    I've been printing other things while this has been going, but its not been that long a print to be honest, would have been a lot quicker without the 3 failed chests :) maybe 2 months constant printing on 2 printers.
     
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    started the long job of sanding and painting

    This is after an initial wet sand using 100 grit wet and dry, the a spray over with filler primer and then filling the worst issues with 1k car body filler, another wet sand with 400 grit and another coat of filler primer

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    some colour tests

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    Not sure about the thickness of the black lines, they are only 1mm sometime I think they are too thick other times I think they are ok, had smaller ones before this and they barely showed up, hmmm

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    did some more painting at the weekend, think the colours are a pretty good match, didn't worry too much about the finish as this is the test helmet, and its not been clear coated.

    It became clear while I was taping it up that it has a couple of accuracy issues, fine if you are painting it as a war machine mk2, not so fine as a patriot.

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    Its been a busy couple of months with events so not had a lot of chance to work on patriot, but had a blitz over the weekend, firstly a pic of my war machine and joel ironman at zurich games show a couple of weeks back

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    then it was back to sanding, filling, sanding filling

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    and laying down some paint

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    the 2nd helmet got some work too, not 100% happy with this, can still see some of the base silver between the red and blue, will fix this later, I'm not the best at taping off, stupid old knackered eyes.

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    the chest plate I'm pretty happy with, first time I've overlaid multiple colours on the same base

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  13. George

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    Awesome work & especially love the blue on this suit
     
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    some more sanding and testing lastnight

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    Man, the shine on that chest piece is impressive!
     
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    Sanding that smooth must have been a real job. Looks very good!
     
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    yep its taking quite a while, I'm a bit OCD about it, should probably seek help lol
     
  18. Djh69

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    Did you try the xtc smoothing stuff? For large areas it may speed things up.
     
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    I only use xtc for really big prints like my k-2SO, for smaller stuff like this I'm too lazy for all the mixing and mess of xtc

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    That’s really cool!
     
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    some more work over the weekend, sanding and painting, the story of my life ;)

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    having had some stickers cut for me here (switzerland) for War Machine, I was in the ridiculous situation where it was cheaper for me to buy a cutter and cut them myself, so here they are, god bless ebay and cheap chinese crap electronics, the cutter isn't exactly a quality product, and of course turned up semi broken, but 10 minutes putting everything back where it should be and voilà $100 well spent.

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    handily paid for from the commission print I'd just done.
     
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    some more painting over the weekend

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    just got the hands and legs to do now, oh, and buy a load more paint
     
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    was a bit slack this weekend, only managed to finish one boot

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    wasn't helped this week by someone crashing into my parked car :cry
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    Hope your car wasn’t too badly damaged. People suck! Your suits looking very nice. First time you scratch that paint you’re going to be freaking out! I know I would be for sure.
     
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    Progress is looking good,SB:thumbsup
    Sorry about your car; I hope they find and apprehend the driver who did this
     
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    the police got the guy, he couldn't exactly run his car was totally destroyed, well I say his car lol it wasn't his and he didn't have a license.just one of those things sent to try us :) Insurance are dealing with it all so no worries on my part, cheers all.
     
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    Nice job.

    What printer are you using? Looks like creality c10 (or whatever its called)

    Does it have the 19.5"x19.5"x19.5" build volume?
     
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    I just bought a new computer and the S5. (With all the upgrades tinymachines.com had) Pretty excited to try it out. Hope it prints cleanly like yours does.
     
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    read, a lot lol the cr10 will print great but it can take time to get it all dialed in, don't be tempted to start upgrading things before you've got it running nicely.

    Lots of people moan a lot about being unable to level the bed, these people are idiots!! its not difficult, yes the glass is warped on most of them but it still isn't rocket science!! any issue you'll have will be covered on the cr10 facebook group, the main weak point on the cr10 is the fans, they are cheap and nasty so replace them as soon as you can, on the hot end (the bit the plastic comes out of) the main fan will break down eventually, on my little printer it took months to fail, on the s5 is broke more or less right away, when it breaks your printer will keep jamming after around 30 mins or so, just replace it with a good quality PC fan, the standard replacement most people use is the Noctua fan - which I also use and had no issues with.

    The control box fans are also noisy, but I've not bothered replacing those as the printers are in a different room so I can't hear them anyway.

    Take it slowly! get a few small prints under your belt before launching into a hulk buster!
     
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    this is my printer room, a bit of a mess :)

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    some progress so far pics, almost there

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    wow a lot of ad's with this new forum software, anyway some more progress

    this was a quick test fit with duct tape holding things together lol, yes I know the arms where on wrong ;)
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    need to finish a few projects, bonus points if you can name everything here ;)

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    just gone one hand left to paint now, and to finish strapping it up and that'll be another one done
     
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  35. Mad Monkey

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    Great looking build. Im wondering what you did for the eyes? Can you see thru them still?
    Did you lock down the faceplate too?

    BTW I'm super jealous of your printers. Big dream of mine to have one!
     
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    the eyes are engraved perspex with led's you can just about see through them. The faceplate is locked as their isn't enough space for hinges etc, and if you make the helmet bigger it looks like a bubble head
     
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    got any more details showing the eyes? ive seen so many different options!

    thanks!


    how long was the print time for the helmet?/material used
     
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    I don't really keep track of the print time or how much filament was used, 2 printers where running 24/7 for a few months on it, but due to the model I had to reprint the chest 3 times to get a decent one, so that was a huge chunk of time (and filament) wasted.

    for just the helmet I think its was all done in a weekend
     
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    Thanks! I look forward to seeing more of your amazing work my good sir!
     
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    Man, I was was considering buying from do3d, but if their files aren't ready to print I'm going to have to look elsewhere for Iron Patriot files. It'd be my first 3d print build and I don't want to get bogged down in trying to do too much.
     
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    There's never any pricing on do3d stuff...
     
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    you need to email do3d to get the prices, they then seem to make them up, They did modify the files when I pointed out some of the issues and the replacements where fine. But as a first big print I wouldn't be trying this one!! The Maxcrft files on etsy are much better, maybe not as accurate but they have been created to actually print and be wearable.

    Anyway, some more progress pics, I'm kinda rushing now as its first outing is next weekend :eek: I've added some pull straps to the abs as they are super tight to get over my hips and I damaged them tugging them on :mad: when I get a chance I'll print them again slightly wider


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    strapping

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    arm strapped

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    side on

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    I try to make it as easy as possible to put on, so the abs and thighs are permanently strapped together, the arms are also permanently strapped, its a pain to transport of course but is much quicker to get on and off at events.
     
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    Awesome!
     
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    had to speed up the work this weekend as I'm due at an event next week in this armour :eek:

    so attached the gun, it didn't look that big off the chest, but bigger is better eh?

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    a vanity pic

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    now the 2nd test fit

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    the strapping was twisting the chest around once I put it on, and also pulled the front down too much and the back up, so had to modify it

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    knocked up a quick test rig to make it easier to strap as now the gun is on it doesn't lay flat (I really should have put the gun on last)

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    Thats better, now you'll have to wait till next week for the final pics ;)

    Its been a pretty long build, learnt a lot, used a hell of a lot of paint :( many multiples the cost of actually printing it, not sure I'd like to do another one but I think its turned out ok, I know where every flaw and inaccuracy is and that kinda winds me up but I had to make a few compromises so it was easier to wear and I'd actually be able to walk in it, rather then woddling like a duck in my war machine.
     
  46. Mad Monkey

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    Could you make a slotted receiver type thing to lock the gun into? Add some magnets and that could be easier
     
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    I could :) but one thing we learnt when doing events KISS (keep it simple stupid) on war machine I had the gun fully moveable and motorised, along with the eyes on a finger switch, looked brilliant on the workbench, in reality the gun kept hitting me and I couldn't press the finger switch most of the time, the wiring got pulled apart, it was a pain to connect things up and a whole load of other issues, plus the general public love pulling things off, hitting it, kids tug on it, people with those 'free hugs' sign run over and hug you and break things (yes that happened) etc etc so this one is purely to look good at comicons in photos. Can't be bothered entering competitions (not that 3d prints ever win anyway)

    We have a few other plans being worked on at the moment ;) mums the word
     
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    here you go, my war machine gun
     
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    some random pics from the weekend event, all went well until the very last pose of the day when some idiot decided they would barge past us and walked right into the cannon and broke the bracket :( sometimes people really p**** me off!!!!

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