I'm OUT of the 501st!

[Skaught]

Sorry, but when people lob unfounded insults at me I tend to bristle. Call it a character flaw.

Scott

<div class='quotetop'>(Sandtrooper @ Aug 8 2006, 10:27 AM) [snapback]1296164[/snapback]</div>

Ive seen people owe money, people steal money, people steal girlfriends, people who act like Hitler and want to run things like some concentration camp, people lie....and I got fed up with it. [/b]

I've seen the same on the RPF. I've seen the same in the billion-dollar corporation where I work. Welcome to the human race.

Scott

 

[darthgoat]

So is that justification for people acting like total @#$%.?

 

[Skaught]

<div class='quotetop'>(darthgoat @ Aug 8 2006, 11:47 AM) [snapback]1296231[/snapback]</div>

So is that justification for people acting like total @#$%.?
[/b]

Of course not. But a small number of people acting like total @#$% is not justification for smearing the entire organization, either.

Scott

 

[GeneralMayhem]

It's all a matter of perception. Compare it to a shopping experience. If you go to a retail store and get the one "snotty" salesperson, some people will be put off and never shop there again. Others will chalk it up to the employee having a bad day, and find another associate or the manager, and not see that initial contact as the defining factor for the business in question.

 

[SHalamar]

I've seen three views in this thread.

1: The 501'st are evil baby eating monsters. Keep away.

2: The 501'st are welcoming saints (with high standards) who do good works, and charity. Please ignore the bad baby eating stormtroopers.

3: Meh.

:angel

 

[madphisto]

Seriously both of the statements read a bit the same. I think it never helps exchanging snide remarks in a debate and espescially not in a clarification to solve a problem.
So I wouldn't decide for either side by reading these.

Everyone has to form his own opinion and I will do as a soon to be 501st member. All this name calling here from either side or its advocats doesn't help someone who is not in the picture. The debate has more about a private affair than something really affecting the majority of members of the 501st.
At least I can't see any real benefits connected with the cause that would exploit common 501st members and justify a polarisation towards mass defection or else.

What is important about such a fan group is not necessarily the leading heads but the guys you actually get to know and no matter of what status give you something - bad or good.
It's not a club you have to pay for, it's not a club directly interfering with your private life except you let that happen so as manipulative as some people in charge may be....it cannot hurt me. You can be personally offended by some actions or disappointments by individuals but the 501st is not a single person or a certain club within the club. Otherwise there would be no differences between the garrisons, squads etc.

Most people I've dealt with so far have been very friendly and helpfull - which is the important thing about it. Those I think being questionable I just don't keep contact with...

Of course it's a problem if you encounter a massive opposition towards you and your ideas on group level but in that case you first have to check on your issues and question them and in case you don't feel like adapt a bit the consequence is to leave....but there is no need for a massive name calling. Being member of the 501st is being a club member not a citizen.

 

[greatgarlando]

The troopers in my ex garrison wont even troop unless theres a chance for a TV spot or newspaper recognition.

Derek

I have been a member of thr GA Garrison for almost two years and that statement is complete Bull S#.T.

 

[darthgoat]

<div class='quotetop'>(GeneralMayhem @ Aug 8 2006, 11:06 AM) [snapback]1296242[/snapback]</div>

It's all a matter of perception. Compare it to a shopping experience. If you go to a retail store and get the one "snotty" salesperson, some people will be put off and never shop there again. Others will chalk it up to the employee having a bad day, and find another associate or the manager, and not see that initial contact as the defining factor for the business in question.
[/b]

Which is the precise reason I don't enjoy going to Home Depot anymore. Nearly every salesperson/manager I have encounter is almost useless. They are filled with the corporate apathy that makes them completely ineffective at helping me or any other customer. It really doesn't matter that Jim over in tools was a great help because Sally at the service desk was a completely useless waste of space. Sally whom I first encountered ruined my entire experience in the store. Now I just want to get my stuff to fix whatever and get out.

The point is that that initial point of contact is the face associated with that larger entity for me. Sally in the above anecdote IS Home Depot to me. When I think of that orange logo I think of her not of Jim who was helpful.

I think that has happened to a lot of people and their perception of 501st.

 

[Cenobyte]

<div class='quotetop'>(SHalamar @ Aug 4 2006, 08:26 AM) [snapback]1293764[/snapback]</div>

Sadly, the Garrison founder gets right of first refusal for all events, the rest of us get to fight it out.


[/b]

Why is that sad? He has been there for years doing Vader by himself. Why should he not be given a chance?

In his defense, he rarely makes appearances anymore because of his personal life.

When it was just he and I as Seattle Vader(s), I had no problem stepping back and letting him do events.

When the parade was here last year, I happily let him do the grand marshal.

In no way felt cheated.

I know that most events he does not do anymore so you and the others do them.

 

[SHalamar]

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<div class='quotetop'>(SHalamar @ Aug 4 2006, 08:26 AM) [snapback]1293764[/snapback]

Sadly, the Garrison founder gets right of first refusal for all events, the rest of us get to fight it out.


[/b]

Why is that sad? He has been there for years doing Vader. Why should he not be given a chance?

In his defense, he rarely makes appearances anymore because of his personal life.

When it was just he and I as Seattle Vader(s), I had no problem stepping back and letting him do events.

When the parade was here last year, I happily let him do the grand marshal.

In no way felt cheated.
[/b][/quote]

Just want everyone to have a chance. I AM however, looking at doing a second costume. Basically, I just want to go out, troop, and have fun. The Garrison is a little Vader heavy, and it could be difficult for everyone who wants to wear thier big black outfits to do so. At the moment, I have been fortunate in the events I have been able to attend. And honestly, if I could wear a convincing Stormtrooper costume, I would.

 

[Cenobyte]

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<div class='quotetop'>(SHalamar @ Aug 4 2006, 08:26 AM) [snapback]1293764[/snapback]

Sadly, the Garrison founder gets right of first refusal for all events, the rest of us get to fight it out.


[/b]

Why is that sad? He has been there for years doing Vader. Why should he not be given a chance?

In his defense, he rarely makes appearances anymore because of his personal life.

When it was just he and I as Seattle Vader(s), I had no problem stepping back and letting him do events.

When the parade was here last year, I happily let him do the grand marshal.

In no way felt cheated.
[/b][/quote]

Just want everyone to have a chance. I AM however, looking at doing a second costume. Basically, I just want to go out, troop, and have fun. The Garrison is a little Vader heavy, and it could be difficult for everyone who wants to wear thier big black outfits to do so. At the moment, I have been fortunate in the events I have been able to attend. And honestly, if I could wear a convincing Stormtrooper costume, I would.
[/b][/quote]


I hear you man. As I am 6' - 7" tall, no way I could squeeze myself in TK armor lol. (Or if I did, would not be a pretty sight.

As for everyone having a chance, I do agree. Just that Jason can rarely make any appearances (not from his own doing) anymore because of personal life.

Nothing more (Not intended as a slam on you at all mano)

 

[hyperdyne]

<div class='quotetop'>(Skaught @ Aug 8 2006, 09:11 AM) [snapback]1296199[/snapback]</div>

Anyway, a small number of people will continue to make bogus accusations and try to blame the 501st for their own inability to socialize with other people. Anyone choosing to employ some common sense will see through that.
[/b]

ok, I'll bite. I hope you, in turn, were not lumping me into your inane comparison just because of the simple fact that I brought up some unpleasant dealings within the 501st? Of course, that would be hypocritical of you. Someone brings up a valid point, and you, as a command leader smear them. That's rich.

If this is in fact the case, I will give your tenure in the organization the appropriate weighting factor.

 

[SHalamar]

<div class='quotetop'>(Cenobyte @ Aug 8 2006, 09:45 AM) [snapback]1296273[/snapback]</div>

I hear you man. As I am 6' - 7" tall, no way I could squeeze myself in TK armor lol. (Or if I did, would not be a pretty sight.

As for everyone having a chance, I do agree. Just that Jason can rarely make any appearances (not from his own doing) anymore because of personal life.

Nothing more (Not intended as a slam on you at all mano)
[/b]

Oh I know. I'm just very new at this, and I want to go out, and be, well, Vader.

And I'm 6'6". And there's a Republic Commando suit being made that I have been assured will fit me...

 

[Treadwell]

<div class='quotetop'>(Skaught @ Aug 8 2006, 11:32 AM) [snapback]1296213[/snapback]</div>

Sorry, but when people lob unfounded insults at me I tend to bristle. Call it a character flaw.
[/b]

I was actually responding to Derek but several other posts appeared in the interim.

 

[WebChief]

<div class='quotetop'>(darthgoat @ Aug 8 2006, 12:35 PM) [snapback]1296261[/snapback]</div>

The point is that that initial point of contact is the face associated with that larger entity for me. Sally in the above anecdote IS Home Depot to me. When I think of that orange logo I think of her not of Jim who was helpful.

I think that has happened to a lot of people and their perception of 501st.
[/b]

That's a very good point Goat and unfortunately the case for many people I'm sure. I only wish those people would give the rest of us a fair shake rather than determining that we're all that way based upon one bad egg.

 

[Trooper TK409]

I cracked open an egg once that was clearly fertilized, but that somehow still made it to the grocery store - very gross. I did not eat that egg. Since then, I have eaten many eggs, in many different ways. Sometimes with ketchup, but never with Tobasco sauce. Nothing against Tobasco sauce, and I still like eggs.

 

[Skaught]

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<div class='quotetop'>(Skaught @ Aug 8 2006, 09:11 AM) [snapback]1296199[/snapback]

Anyway, a small number of people will continue to make bogus accusations and try to blame the 501st for their own inability to socialize with other people. Anyone choosing to employ some common sense will see through that.
[/b]

ok, I'll bite. I hope you, in turn, were not lumping me into your inane comparison just because of the simple fact that I brought up some unpleasant dealings within the 501st? Of course, that would be hypocritical of you. Someone brings up a valid point, and you, as a command leader smear them. That's rich.

If this is in fact the case, I will give your tenure in the organization the appropriate weighting factor.
[/b][/quote]


No, I wasn't including you in that statement. I was referring to a few people who I know of that stomped off from the club when they didn't get their way. Being a member requires compromise sometimes, and some people apparently have problems doing that. A lot of the people who I hear speaking negatively of the 501st are the result of a personality issues. Once, we had a member who tried to restrict women from events because he didn't think they should wear Stormtrooper armor. We told him this was unacceptable and we went off on his "I'm more educated than you, I'm more sophistacted than you" rant. He quit before we could do anything formal about him, and for a while he would email our event contacts telling them about how evil we were. It's that type of person who I was referring to in my comment. I hope that clarifies things for you and removes the charge of potential hypocrisy.

I don't remember the details now, but I recall getting involved in a situation with you and asking the member in question to quit dicking around and make a refund. I never heard more about it so I thought that was taken care of. Of course, I have no power to force anyone to pay anything. I can only emails people with strong words, which I do when it's necessary.


Scott

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<div class='quotetop'>(Skaught @ Aug 8 2006, 11:32 AM) [snapback]1296213[/snapback]

Sorry, but when people lob unfounded insults at me I tend to bristle. Call it a character flaw.
[/b]

I was actually responding to Derek but several other posts appeared in the interim.
[/b][/quote]

I wasn't replying to you. I don't remember who I was replying to now, though.

Scott

 

[Skaught]

For the 501st members chiming in - I have a recommendation. I think it's time we let this thread die. I'm the guiltiest one of all for keeping it going, so this is as much for me as anyone else. We're all obviously passionate about the club, so it's inevitable that things could get (more) heated in our defense and we say something that would be used against us or taken out of context. Some people have their minds made up and won't let any contrary evidence change it. So from here, I bow out. I'm a decent person and my only desire is to have fun and help others have fun. I love my wife and kids, I like to design stuff, and I like hanging out with friends dressed in plastic.

And that, is that.

Scott

 

[hyperdyne]

<div class='quotetop'>(Skaught @ Aug 8 2006, 11:42 AM) [snapback]1296311[/snapback]</div>

No, I wasn't including you in that statement. I was referring to a few people who I know of that stomped off from the club when they didn't get their way. Being a member requires compromise sometimes, and some people apparently have problems doing that. A lot of the people who I hear speaking negatively of the 501st are the result of a personality issues. Once, we had a member who tried to restrict women from events because he didn't think they should wear Stormtrooper armor. We told him this was unacceptable and we went off on his "I'm more educated than you, I'm more sophistacted than you" rant. He quit before we could do anything formal about him, and for a while he would email our event contacts telling them about how evil we were. It's that type of person who I was referring to in my comment. I hope that clarifies things for you and removes the charge of potential hypocrisy.

[/b]

Fair enough. I dont disagree with you on those points either.


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I don't remember the details now, but I recall getting involved in a situation with you and asking the member in question to quit dicking around and make a refund. I never heard more about it so I thought that was taken care of. Of course, I have no power to force anyone to pay anything. I can only emails people with strong words, which I do when it's necessary.
[/b]

Yes, you did help out with one of your garrison mates (M. Glover). He (finally) refunded me some money from years back only to renege and put in a paypal complaint after sending me the money. A punk thing to do no less. Your actions seemed to help convince him to reverse his false complaint. If I didnt already say so, thanks for your help in that matter.

 

[Skaught]

Okay, one more post in response to the above.




Scott