HOW-TO convert your NIKE MAG's (Markpoon's) Episode 5 is up

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  1. Jedifyfe

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    I have been asked by many members to show tutorials on how to covert these shoes. I will try to make a video tutorial for every step. From the toe slimming to the electronics:

    EPISODE 1 (the toe slimming): Nike Toe Slimming Tutorial - YouTube

    EPISODE 2 (LED installation): Nike LED installation Tutorial - YouTube

    EPISODE 3 (making the strap): Nike Making of the Strap - YouTube

    EPISODE 4 (sole and EL installation): Nike Sole and EL Tutorial - YouTube

    EPISODE 5 (making the ankle bubble): Nike making the Ankle Bubble - YouTube
     
    Last edited: Apr 23, 2012
  2. cavx

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    Re: HOW-TO convert your NIKE MAG's (Markpoon's)

    Awesome Brad :) I am sure many will be grateful for this.
     
  3. Jedifyfe

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    Re: HOW-TO convert your NIKE MAG's (Markpoon's)

    Episode 2 at first post.
     
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    Awesome video, thanks!

    Sent from my DROID RAZR using Tapatalk 2
     
  5. cavx

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    Re: HOW-TO convert your NIKE MAG's (Markpoon's) Episode 2 is up

    Again, very cool. Just a point, a positive to negative to positive to negative connection is actually a series connection, not parallel. Parallel would be positive to positive and negative to negative.
     
  6. Jedifyfe

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    Thanks! I knew I would screw something up with the lingo... :lol
     
  7. MitasTouch

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    Re: HOW-TO convert your NIKE MAG's (Markpoon's) Episode 2 is up

    Is there a way to get the yellow out of the rubber?
     
  8. Jedifyfe

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    Re: HOW-TO convert your NIKE MAG's (Markpoon's) Episode 2 is up

    Nope. The only thing that can be done is painting the rubber a light blue color.

    S02 tried to lighten the rubber and it worked on very slightly.

    I have some clear blue spray paint on the way that I will do some tests with.
     
  9. cavx

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    I wondered that myself. Is the yellowing from age, or was it always this colour. Every photo I have seen including the first image I saw [a guy in Singapore - Mark Poon?] has yellow sole inserts I am curious about the LED block as that looks quite clear in this shot.[​IMG]
     
  10. Jedifyfe

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    Re: HOW-TO convert your NIKE MAG's (Markpoon's)

    Episode 3 is up on the first post!
     
  11. cavx

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    Re: HOW-TO convert your NIKE MAG's (Markpoon's) Episode 3 is up

    Hey Brad,

    Just watched Ep3. Awesome BTW and thanks for sharing :)

    In regards to the strap (and yes that looks way better), would it be of any benefit to cut the strap at 2", then fold 1/2" in from each side after you do the wire so that there is no seam or join top and bottom?
     
  12. Jedifyfe

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    Good question. I think that is how S02 did his but the original MAGs are done like the way I did it. Feel free to do it how ever you want, I am just going for more accuracy on mine.
     
  13. cavx

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    Actually I just had a thought (or moment of clarity or something like that). Your method allows for the strap to be reversed which it does as it passes through the ankle strap buckle (what is that part actually called?) and my method would then have the double seam visible, so a big FAIL on my behalf.

    [​IMG]

    This image is not that large, but looking at it now and yes you can see the strap is done the way you have.

    Something else I had thought about though is that one end of the strap is always secured - sewn or other and what if this end folded in under itself and was attached using hook and loop? Custom size adjustable? :love

    Because I tore the foam piece on my Mark Poon shoes on my very first attempt to wear them :cry and had to rebuild that using a section of 4" PVC pipe. It won't break now but the strap is a touch too short to allow it to be secured at the correct height (which is on that grey part of the collar). It secures OK under that, but that is not where it is supposed to sit.
     
  14. Jedifyfe

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    Yep. When you make the strap you can make it bigger. Believe me, I know this shoe all too well. :)
     
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    Wow! I was wondering how to do the EL strap conversion on my K-Mags.

    Very good tutorials, thank you! :)
     
  16. Jedifyfe

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    Re: HOW-TO convert your NIKE MAG's (Markpoon's) Episode 3 is up

    Thanks! Next episode will be opening the soles and installing the EL sheet in the soles.
     
  17. cavx

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    Re: HOW-TO convert your NIKE MAG's (Markpoon's) Episode 3 is up

    You'd be better off making new ones based on Brad's video. I am off to our local fabrics supplier now to see what they have in way of vinyl.
     
  18. TheNickFox

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    After this thread, I don't think anyone will ever doubt that statement. :lol

    As for the video, great work, as always. It will save me from having to write you at least one annoying PM when I got to doing my strap. :p I was always curious as to your brand of sticker for the logo.

    -Nick
     
  19. cavx

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    Re: HOW-TO convert your NIKE MAG's (Markpoon's) Episode 3 is up

    Guys in the US,

    Is the vinyl you buy patterned or smooth? The stuff I looked at today had a slight pattern like partially corrected leather. Some vinyls have a fully corrected pattern which would not look as good as the smooth stuff.

    Also how think is the foam you are working with Nick? I found some stuff today but it looks to be just 1.5mm, maybe 2mm tops. The stuff you show in your images appears to be 3mm+. How thick is it?
     
  20. Jedifyfe

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    The kind I have has a slight pattern but it is very close to the original MAG that also has a slght pattern to it.
     
  21. airair

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    Re: HOW-TO convert your NIKE MAG's (Markpoon's) Episode 3 is up

    for just the strap on the k mags, where do you plan to put the inverter and battery?

    and do you know which inverter and battery you are getting?

    im trying to find the smallest ones, as im trying to think where to put them on these k mags.


    On that Clonemags replica, he's planning to use 2 small watch battery cells with a small inverter and a switch for his entire el strap, led and el sole lights.

    i was thinking of using his method but just for the strap by itself. I messaged him many times and emailed him but never get a response from him for some reason, i hope someone else can help.

    I did find one small inverter/driver called "tiny tim" with a switch built in, it takes a watch battery, but it still looks too big.

    [​IMG]

    All i want to do is have 2 straps one for each shoe, each with the nike logo or maybe a different unique logo lighting up and thats all. I don't have the courage to do anything else!

    that plastic piece at the back of the k mags (lame copy of the back foam piece) is quite thin, so im trying to think where i could put the inverter and battery after the strap is on.


    if someone could advise where to put it, that would be great. as on the mark poon replicas, you guy are obviously opening up the soles to put the battery and inverter in to hide it, but on the knockoffs, there's isn't any space to hide anything unless you start cutting up which i don't wish to do.

    I'm sure a really small inverter, and a small watch battery would be able to be hidden easily.

    Hopefully someone knows.
     
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  22. cavx

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    Re: HOW-TO convert your NIKE MAG's (Markpoon's) Episode 3 is up

    Thanks for that. Even the high rez images don't really show any texture, so I wasn't sure. $15/LM for the vinyl and a pair of straps will use less than $1.50 worth of material, so a very cheap conversion project here :) EL paper and inverter? Well that is another story.

    I am kind of interested in taking the approach I believe NIKE have used and build that all into the back of the shoe rather than cutting a block out of the mid sole for a 9V battery. This way wiring simply runs through the strap.

    Not really, no. I have not even found suppliers of EL products in this country. Someone must sell it, otherwise it is EBAY for me.

    Given I have black sole inserts on my MAGs, there is really nothing more that can be done on these anyway. I don't care much for the "computer lights" on the side of the heel.

    The one Cloneprops made is nice and thick and has battery recesses. I think it will be possible to build this part up or make a new one. I'll have a go making a new pair. When I rebuilt the foam one from the MP MAGs, I used 4" PVC pipe behind the foam as it seems to be the perfect radius for the curve to fit around the ankle. I wonder if using that solvent based glue and laminating a few layers of pipe could work? If so, glue first, then cut out the part from that. Say 4 layers = 12mm?


    Where is the battery on the real MAG shoe? Is it in behind that ankle buckle? It makes sense to have it there as that is also where the charger plugs in.
     
  23. airair

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    yeah, on the real mag, i think they are using small watch batteries or something, because the charger plugs straight into the back foam piece.

    still searching for the smallest inverter available and which battery to use.

    ill try see what clonemags is using if he ever responds.
     
  24. cavx

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    I have not seen a pair of the real shoes and I guess I am not likely to ever. Apparently they limited the EBAY sale to the US because of this battery. So I don't think that part is foam. I think it is a hard molded plastic. It is also glued on the shoe and is not removable meaning you can't ever replace the batteries. I guess the idea is that once the batteries run their said "hours", that is it.
     
  25. Jedifyfe

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    Re: HOW-TO convert your NIKE MAG's (Markpoon's) Episode 3 is up

    This may help:

    [​IMG]
     
  26. cavx

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    Sweet! That looks like the stuff I can get here.
     
  27. airair

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    Re: HOW-TO convert your NIKE MAG's (Markpoon's) Episode 3 is up

    Many thanks for the tutorials, they are amazing.

    For my knockoff mags el strap, ive been searching for the smallest inverter and battery combination but having trouble choosing the appropriate ones.

    I was looking at getting a tiny 3v inverter, a tiny cr2032 watch battery holder, and a very small on off switch and then connecting these to the dollhouse tape wire you have used in your tutorial. Then it may be be possible to hide these behind the plastic back piece on the by velcroing it on or something.

    But then i found this prebuilt tiny el inverter which takes 1 watch battery, has a tiny el inverter in it and an on off switch all in one piece.

    http://proto-pic.co.uk/tiny-el-inverter/

    The dimensions are 1cm by 4cm by 2cm which is slightly bulky, but it may be ok.

    What i was wondering is that since that tiny el inverter already has a female connector on it. Is it better to just solder/connect the dollhouse tape wire into a male connector piece? that way, it will plug straight into the el inverter and easily removable.

    The only thing needed is to just solder or use some wire glue for the el sheet connection to the dollhouse tape wire.


    so it would be:

    El sheet ->wire glue ->dollhouse tape wire ->male connector plug into-> female connector - el inverter/battery

    Do you think this would be a good choice? So would have 1 for each shoe. Its only for lighting up the strap, nothing else, since there's no point in chopping up these kmags!
     
  28. Jedifyfe

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    Not sure if that inverter will work. It states that it is made for the EL Wire not EL sheets. I know the inverters can only handle so much. I like the idea of the male to female connections though they may be a bit bulky also.
     
  29. Jedifyfe

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    Re: HOW-TO convert your NIKE MAG's (Markpoon's) Episode 4 is up

    Episode 4 is up
     
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    Awesome tuts brad :thumbsup
     
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    also brad if somebody that's not very good at dremeling and they slip and cut off too much rubber they can easily cover any exposed el sheet with electrical tape :thumbsup
     
  32. cavx

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    You make it look too easy Brad :)
     
  33. Jedifyfe

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    LOL! Everytime I do it, it's nerveracking. One slip and OOOPS! The key is to take your time and examine your work as you go.

    It's funny though, I am still learning little tricks as I go.

    I might be able to make the ankle bubble tutorial tonight-tomorrow.

    After that I will show the painting of the soles.
     
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    Hi Jedifyle,

    You're a genius!
     
  35. Jedifyfe

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    I hope this transends to sales for you Mark! :thumbsup
     
  36. cavx

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    That is small. I wonder if a custom 'buckle' could be made to house that unit horizontally? Use self adhesive velcro to allow servicing (charge or replace battery).

    EDIT: Looking at that inverter, is that a switch in one face?
    [​IMG]

    Unless Brad has a reason not to, I think your idea of soldering the male socket to the wire in the strap is a winner.
     
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  37. airair

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    Yeah this bit is basically the inverter, battery and on off switch all in one housing, which is why i was looking at getting this. This one takes 1 battery, but there's another one which takes 2 watch batteries so it will be 6v. that may be an option too. I was looking at velcroing this on somewhere onto the shoe, but think it may be a bit thick as its 1cm x 4cm by 2cm. i would have to get it in hand and then try to see where it could be hidden.



    the only other option is to get all of the same contents of that one above, so it will be a tiny 3v inverter, a seperate watch cr2032 battery holder, and a very small on off switch like the judco switch, then connect them all to the dollhouse tapewire, keep the wire's really short and soldered together and hide them somehow either within the strap or somewhere.

    I'm sure this tiny el driver/battery with on off switch could run the el sheet. Clone mags is running a similar setup for his entire shoe which includes the led's and el soles.

    I will ask the company who's selling it, whether the single battery tiny el with its 3v inverter can run the el sheet in the strap.
     
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    Re: HOW-TO convert your NIKE MAG's (Markpoon's) Episode 4 is up

    Hi
    I forgot to ask,

    what spray glue are you using to glue your custom leather mag strap together?

    do you have to get a specific one for leather so it doesn't come apart easily?
     
  39. Jedifyfe

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    Super 77. It's really great spray glue for all sorts of material. You can buy it at most hardware stores.
     
  40. Jedifyfe

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    Re: HOW-TO convert your NIKE MAG's (Markpoon's) Episode 4 is up

    Episode 5 is up.
     
  41. cavx

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    Re: HOW-TO convert your NIKE MAG's (Markpoon's) Episode 3 is up

    Another option might be to simply remove all the guts from the case and glue them to the inside of the ankle strap buckle. Ideally, that part needs replacing anyway as the one that comes on the shoes is a very simple injection mold and nowhere near close to the actual shoe part. MP's foam piece is way more accurate.

    For this I was thinking about starting with 100mm PVC as the base (also provides the curve for the back) and modeling clay to form the shape of the actual part. I've downloaded a heap of videos about making simple molds with product that did not require vacuum chambers for the mold (a big plus for small runs and experiments like this). I guess the best thing would be to make cutout in the PVC pipe to allow the insertion of a battery(ies) and even the inverter itself as well as the slots for the strap.
     
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    Slush casting that piece on a curve would be needlessly difficult. If I remake that piece I plan to sculpt it flat and pop the piece out of the mold half cured onto a curved surface.
     
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    I am quite new to this but was thinking about getting the look Cloneprops did with his.
     
  44. airair

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    Re: HOW-TO convert your NIKE MAG's (Markpoon's) Episode 3 is up

    Hi, can you tell me what height your strap is?

    and also, what are the dimensions of the nike logo square in cm?

    does anyone have a template file i can print out? i have some clear sticky paper, so I can print straight onto it, but i don't have the nike logo.

    If someone can tell me what font is used and the amount of spacing between the letters, i could try create it in photoshop (with my limited skill!) and print it out.
     
  45. Jedifyfe

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    I am not home right now but my strap is exactly 1 inch wide and roughly 1 foot long.

    I will also post up a wiring diagram and list of tools and products.
     
  46. Jedifyfe

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    Here is the wiring diagram:

    [​IMG]
     
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    thanks, you're a legend!

    I think i have the right sticky paper, probably have to coat it in another layer as i think the ink would wash off if it got wet.

    just need to make sure i print the right size out for the nike logo.

    i bought some cuttable el sheet which should be arriving any day now.

    i got some cheap pvc type fake leather for cheap and some dirt cheap white velcro hook and loop from a local shop.

    just waiting for the wire glue and then the inverters and batteries
     
  48. airair

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    I was asking someone about the 3v inverter which is run by a single coin cell battery, and was told it can light up the el sheet for the strap for a while, but it may drain it quite quickly.

    so now thinking of using a 6v inverter with 2 coin cell batteries. just trying to figure out the easiest way of putting this onto the shoe so its wearable!

    kmags with light up strap, the poor mans nike mag! what the hell, they still look ok!
     
  49. Jedifyfe

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    Here are my shoes with and without my heat formed EVA inserted in the ankle/heel. You can see it makes the shoe look MUCH more like the original MAG.


    [​IMG]
     
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    very useful diagram, could also be worth noting the led size, its values and the resistors needed for those that may want to attempt it. ;)
     

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