How much would the Death Star cost to build?

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  1. SciFiMuseum

    SciFiMuseum Well-Known Member

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  2. SSgt Burton

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    How much is that in Republic credits?


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  3. Lost21stJedi

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  4. Lost21stJedi

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    Republic credits are no good here...
     
  5. Rassilon

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    Is that Aussie $ or US $ .... I can chip in for $2.50
     
  6. micdavis

    micdavis Master Member

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    Republic credits WILL do.
     
  7. Apollo

    Apollo Legendary Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Ask Rob!

    He knows!! ;)
     
  8. crabra comander

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    You guys, Newt Gingrich already has plans to build one....

    On the moon!
     
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  9. Jet Beetle

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    You can save a lot if you leave out RAILINGS.
     
  10. SSgt Burton

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    Probably could have saved even more if they turned off the artificial gravity in those "chasm" sections as well. ;)


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  11. 0neiros

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    That's no Moon...
     
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  12. crabra comander

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    :lol I love all the little Star Wars nods in here...:lol
     
  13. wannab

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    Not sure how much, but I'd like the painting contract!




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  14. crabra comander

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    All that money and it only costs one X-wing to destroy it...

    [​IMG]
     
  15. darthgordon

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    Yeah, I wonder if they took into account the shoddy construction that left it with a freaking hole in it big enough to be exploited by a couple of teenagers.

    And the worst part- when the first one was destroyed after being operational... what? A week? They figured let's just build another one! This one's bigger, more powerful and has an even bigger hole in it!
     
  16. Dave Ward

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    What I would do if I wanted to build a death star would be to put together some kind of, say, evil empire, using slave labour, that would steal and bully resources from ENTIRE GALAXIES, and would generally operate on a war economy. I'm betting that all might bring the price down some. Still, go ahead build your death star however you please...
     
  17. rodneyfaile

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    A construction job of that magnitude would require a helluva lot more manpower than the Imperial army had to offer. I'll bet there were independent contractors working on that thing: plumbers, aluminum siders, roofers.
    In order to get it built quickly and quietly they'd hire anybody who could do the job. Do you think the average storm trooper knows how to install a toilet main?
     
  18. DuneMuadDib

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    What's that quote from 'Contact' re: government spending?

    "Why build one when you can build two for twice the price?"
     
  19. Solo4114

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    I know a guy who says he'll get it done for $230. If you want it painted, it'll be another $17.
     
  20. SSgt Burton

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    What kills me is that it took them 18 years to make the first one, but only 3 or 4 years to make that bigger one and have it up and running (albeit about 2/3rds construction done).

    The Emperor must have been really * about the first one. :lol


    PS... am I the only one who finds that dollar figure ridiculous? As in how do you attribute an actual price on a fictional object in which you have no idea what it is made of (this isn't "our" universe remember), what it runs on, or whether or not people were actually "paid" to construct it? :rolleyes




    Kevin
     
  21. Shadow345

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    As far as I can tell they only estimated the cost on the raw materials based on the size of the death star.
     
  22. greylocke

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    That's if you could find the materials and the skilled labor for it's construction.
     
  23. Vermithrax 4

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    Oh, I don't know, I could build one for $10.00 or $15.00 out of paper mache. Put candy in it and you'd have a Death Star pinata. :lol

    Now, regarding the construction time of the Death Stars in the films, the first of ANY major prototype always takes much longer than the production copies that follow it, so I can totally understand how Death Star II got built more quickly. However, I do NOT think that the Empire started construction on it until after the destruction of Death Star I. That's a big galaxy to cover, you're telling me that ONE moon-sized space station is going to subdue all those systems? I'm sure that multiple Death Stars had to have been planned from the get-go and that Death Star II was already under construction even in ANH. They obviously found a way to increase fire power at some point, probably during the building of the first one, since a number of ways to improve anything are often discovered during the building of any prototype.

    Now...COMMENCE PRIMARY IGNITION!!!!!!
     
  24. Dung0beetle

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    I have to agree with Vermithrax, the Death Star doesn't exactly fly like a bat out of hell. More like that old guy in the fast lane driving 35 mph. with his turn signal on. You can't just make a jump to lightspeed in that thing and expect to travel from system to system destroying planets in a drunken joyride. There had to be plans for several to be built and deployed across the galaxy.

    I did some searching and found this at theforce.net/swtc/ds/index.html:
    At least one prototype Death Star was constructed at the secret weapons research facility within the perilous Maw black hole cluster near the Kessel system. Consisting of little more than an exposed frame with reactors, superlaser and propulsion systems, this prototype Death Star was never intended for active or sustained deployment. Facing attack by a New Republic task force seven years after the Battle of Endor, the staff of the Maw facility took the prototype and fled into the outside galaxy, with disasterous results. [Jedi Academy Trilogy]

    Incomplete twin Death Stars were under construction in orbit around Imperial Centre at approximately the time of the Battle of Endor. Unfortuantely, it seems as if neither was ever completed far enough to be useful. It is unknown whether the Rebel Alliance was aware of the existence of these nascent battle stations when the attack on the Endor facility was planned. The rebels probably would not have had the audacity to assault the heavily fortifed Coruscant shipyards, even if they knew about these ominous constructions. As bait, these stations would be useless to the Emperor, and he would find little value in allowing the existence of these stations to be leaked to rebel spies, as he did for the Endor project. In any case they seem to have been abandoned and dismantled within months of the Emperor's fall. [The Illustrated STAR WARS Universe]

    Darksabre: This vessel was a Death Star stripped down to its fundamentals: the main reactor and superlaser shaft. Its construction was commissioned eight years after the Battle of Endor by Durga the Hutt, who retained the services of the chief designer of the original Death Star, engineering genius Bevel Lemelisk [SW Tales #4, Darksaber]. Lemelisk had serious doubts about the quality of workmanship exhibited by the Hutt's construction crew. He escaped scant seconds before the destruction of his latest brain-child, and was taken into the custody of the New Republic. [Darksabre]
     
  25. CessnaDriver

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    It was an idiot strategic investment, how many star destroyers and troops could you have had instead? Why blow up planets? Just nuke them until uninhabitable and move on.

    But no, these guys were obsessed with having two big balls.
     
  26. Solo4114

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    Yes, but there's also historical real-world precedent for devoting resources to "terror" weapons that actually aren't that strategically effective, or for dumping resources into projects that no longer meet your strategic needs.

    Hitler focused the development of jets in the Luftwaffe not on the interceptors that he really needed (like the Me-262), but on long-range bombers (like the Ho-229). This after the offensive phase of the war for * Germany was WELL over and they were being pounded by the 8th Air Force.

    And wasn't Iraq or Iran dumping oodles of cash into a "supergun" that could launch shells into Israel?

    Hell, you could even argue that "terror weapons" actually DO work. Look at the atomic bomb. That actually led Japan to surrender when the alternative would've been an invasion of the home islands.
     
  27. Lost21stJedi

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    No they won't
     
  28. CessnaDriver

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    The important thing is when you have a massive security design flaw on your gajillion credit deathticle that you enahance that design flaw to make it even worse the second time around.
     
  29. Laspector

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    But wasn't it an exhaust port on the first one? Don't you, like, have to have those? Try plugging up the exhaust pipe on your car and see what happens. I'm not saying your car will go Blooey, but you gotta let that stuff out somewhere...


    Would kinda be like designing a person without a bootyhole!!:lol
     
  30. CessnaDriver

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    If it must be vented directly, adding in regular intervals a strong screen mesh would have prevented fighters from entering the DSII. Or at least retractable screens for when fighters breach into the interior?
    Something????

    What were they thinking????
     
  31. Vermithrax 4

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    Well, they DID have this immense defense shield surrounding it while it was unfinished and vulnerable. As long as that existed the problem of protection was solved. Palpatine's mistake was his overconfidence in his own infallibility, he didn't anticipate the help that the brave 300 Ewoks gave to the rebel strike team. Had the Ewoks not been there to assist then the strike team would have failed just as he'd anticipated, the shield wouldn't have been deactivated and the Rebel fleet would have been wiped out. So the Emperor did have his bases covered...he just failed to take into account one crucial factor.
     
  32. Lynn TXP 0369

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    NO, they won't.
    What do you think are? Some kind of Jedi waving his hand all over the place???

    Lynn
     
  33. JoeG

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    No one else has said it yet, so...

    Well, more wealth than you can imagine!
     
  34. SSgt Burton

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    I think you can go back even further than your examples to the middle ages with the developement of cannons.

    Here was this massive tube that let out a tremendous thunderclap, belched fire and smoke and the next thing you knew your castle walls were coming down. Seeing as people in those days were much more, shall we say "superstitious" back then, a cannon going off must have scared the ever-loving bejeezus out of them!

    Bigger and bigger cannons were built... because bigger is better right?

    But... these cannons weren't exactly easy to manoeuver or lug to the battlefield (especially the bigger they were). And the chance of actually being hit by a cannonball wasn't very good- if you did get hit you simply didn't dodge fast enough.

    However despite not being strategically sound, the mere sight of a cannon being hauled to the battelfield struck terror into the enemy so much as to make them retreat immediately. They were psychological weapons as much as physical.


    I think this is the philosophy behind the Death Star. The mere mention of its name was to make the masses cower in fear. It was more of a deterrent.


    Kevin
     
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  35. JMChladek

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    How much?

    As for paying for it, does the Dark Lord of the Sith have an ATM in his torso light brite? :D

    What we saw at the end of ROTS may not have been the Death Star itself in production, but rather the DS testbed first introduced in the EU novels. But still, I imagine it would have taken more than a few tests to figure out how to fire a mega laser equipped station with enough power to destroy a planet. They had some plans to start with from the Geonosians (in AOTC), but plans only get you a start, not a finish.

    Who knows, maybe they couldn't figure out how to cool the dang thing and had to build a small thermal exhaust port 2 meters wide right below a main port. SURELY nobody would find a way to shoot that afterall. ;)
     
  36. CessnaDriver

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    I think the equivalent craziness of this today would be an aircraft carrier the size of a small state.
     
  37. kodiak33

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    I thought everyone knew the Death Star was designed and built by illegal alien Geonosians for a quarter of the price at twice the speed...course that would explain the corner cutting. i.e. exhaust port
     
  38. Vermithrax 4

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    Jim Duncan and his son-in-law Roger Simmons were in charge of the Death Star construction, which explains a lot of the cutting of corners. And a free beer to the first person to tell me why and what I'm referencing. :lol
     
  39. kodiak33

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    Towering Inferno
     
  40. SSgt Burton

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    Oooooooh, good one! :cool



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  41. Dave Ward

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    Good point, but like I was saying, there's slave labour to consider. You basically invade and enslave the planet Flushos and there's your plumbers right there.

    Likewise, when you're powerful enough to plunder rather than purchase, costs are maybe going to go down somewhat. My thinking point was just that the costing on that link what based around what it would cost a democracy. Might be different for an evil empire. But then again, if I was an expert at building a death star, I'd ALREADY HAVE ONE. Bwah hah ha.
     
  42. Vermithrax 4

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    Yeah, I knew I couldn't get on in on anyone on this forum. :lol

    Kodiak33 just earned hiself a cold drink. An' after dat...I can eat fifty eggs. Anybody can' eat fifty eggs spends a night in da box.
     
  43. SSgt Burton

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    I know you were having some fun with that Towering Inferno reference...

    But I wonder if there was some actual inspiration there-

    I mean there is that scene where Doug Roberts has to cross that electrical shaft when he, Mrs. Mueller and the kids reach the promenade room.

    I'd have to take a screen grab but it sure has that Death Star chasm look to it.


    Kevin
     
  44. Vermithrax 4

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    LOL! There are certain similarities. Such as this:

    Will Giddings: "We've analyzed the fire down on 35 and there is a danger. Should I have your express elevator standing by?"

    Jim Duncan: "Evacuate? In the middle of the dedication party? I think you overestimate that fire's chances!"

    :lol
     
  45. JoeG

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    You need to watch this link

    Clerks Death Star Contractors - YouTube
     
  46. jjdelong

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    And christmas just came early for me with that comment hahaahaha
     
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  47. Onli Won Kanomi

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    21st century Earthlings trying to 'cost' the Death Star in our terms is kinda like Iron Age Romans trying to assess the cost of transcontinental railroad systems or suspension bridges ["they would require more iron than we can imagine ever being possible to produce Caesar!"] 2 millenia later, without knowing about the Bessemer process. Heck even at the beginning of the industrial revolution there were naysayers who said railroads were impossible because there wasnt enough steel production capacity in the whole world to build one. And they were telling the truth "from a certain point of view" - theirs, which didnt want to see that a way could be found to do what then couldnt be done 'yet'.

    But despite the folly of trying lets have a go at it anyway eh...I like a lil folly sometimes.

    Star Wars represents an near pan-Galactic civilization >20,000 years old when the Republic fell to Empire. Our real world's American Republic is >200 years old...when 19,800 years older America is, Death Stars expensive may be not mmmhmmm? More importantly the Galactic Empire represents a Kardashev level 2.5-3.0 civilization [21st century Earth is not even considered a real civilization on the K scale yet since we have access to the resources of an entire planet but don't actually use that much power yet...something like 0.6-0.7 iirc?] which means it uses more power than entire stars produce and has access to the resources of an entire Galaxy. Millions of planets producing so much metal that they can cover their entire capital [and other ecumenopoli planets like Taris in KOTOR] in metal buildings and produce enough FTL starships to cover the shipping to and from them [our supertankers would be as incomprehensibly metal rich to Romans as Death Stars seem to us] can certainly produce enough metal to build Death Stars even if it meant cracking an iron core planet open and siphoning that off they have millions of planets to choose from...though there would be plenty of asteroids to do it easier. Death Stars are rather small moon sized stations afterall.

    And yes the Empire already had the 'improved' Death Star II under construction when the first was destroyed and had plans to build entire FLEETS of Death Stars but it wasn't to control rebellious systems as Tarkin no doubt sincerely believed.

    I submit that Emperor Palpatine had the Separatists finalize the design of what was originally Raith Seinars 'expeditionary battle planetoid' for a far more important purpose; to build a fleet of superweapons capable of defeating the extragalactic invasion of the Yuuzhan Vong that Palpatine knew was coming. We know that Palpatine knew of the Vong threat because he had manipulated to have the Chiss [Grand Admiral Thrawns people, who also knew of the Vong] intercept the Jedi Order's "Outward Bound" scouting expedition ship to the far reaches of the Galaxy because a premature first contact between Jedi and Vong would have precipitated the Vong War before the Galaxy was ready for it. Meaning before Palpatine could build enough Death Stars to repel the Vong. We can only guess that Palpatine knew of the Vong through the Rule Of Two from his master Darth Plagueis who knew through the succession from Darth Bane who knew from the Sith Holocron of Darth Revan who knew from Canderous Ordo [later Mandalore] who encountered a Vong scout ship that fled out of the Galaxy when pursued prior to KOTOR.

    So Palpatine knew an extragalactic invasion force of vast size had been assembling for thousands of years beyond the Outer Rim and when he saw Seinars concept for moon sized battlestations with hypermass reactors that could power weapons of unprecedented power [the Death Star superlaser when firing briefly attained Kardashev Level III power consumption] they were 'just what the doctor ordered' against the looming threat only he knew of...so he ordered Dooku to order the Sep leaders to design it in secret, then after the war had Anakin/Vader kill them to cover it up.

    Then he had to pay for fleets of them which the Republic Senate would not have been willing to allow be built much less pay for...so the Republic had to go, enter the Empire. And the best source of funding when the State needs bigggggg money fast is to plunder the Church; the Jedi Order had to be destroyed so that Palpatine could appropriate their vast wealth.

    Think about how much wealth Rome has after 2000 years accumulation [take a look at a map of its land holdings as a church compared to its land holdings as a once Empire not to mention a literally incalculably valuable art collection] and then ask how much of the SW Galaxy's wealth would the Jedi Order similarly control after 20,000 years since they don't allow their members personal property and their expenses are miniscule? If they didn't make a conscientious [and necessarily secret] effort to 'lose' money as fast as possible they'd eventually end up with nearly all of it since the State [the Republic] has real expenses of governing but the Church [Jedi Order] has almost none. The very existence of a 'low spending' Jedi Order as the SW Galaxy's church would inevitably become a galacto-macroeconomic choke point. The State would just as inevitably come to jealously covet the Jedi church's vast wealth that would in a few millenia eclipse the State's own so quel surprise that the Jedi found themselves with few friends in the corridors of power when Palpatine moved to destroy them and seize that wealth for the State to build fleets of giant battlestations to repel a galactic invasion with.

    So there's the real secret of the 'cost' of the Death Stars and how they could be kept generally secret; Palpatine didnt pay for them out of the State's budget with the Senate looking over his shoulder and inevitably leaking the news like a sieve but rather with the confiscated accounts of the Jedi Order he destroyed to get at their money to secretly build his Death Star fleet with.

    And he would have to have his second one nearing completion by the time the first went operational because it was the second that could engage Vong capital ships as well as Vong worldships [its not a coincidence the first Death Star was the size of a Vong worldship but the second much bigger] and that capability would be needed if/when the Vong found out what the Empire planned to have waiting for them.

    Now I don't want to make it sound like I think Palpatine/Sidious was really the 'good guy' since whatever his ends might have been his means [enslaving a million Wookies to build Death Star 1, destroying billions on Alderaan, the entire manipulated Big Lie left hand vs right hand Clone Wars] were unquestionably Pure Evil...

    ...but even Han Solo wished for a Death Star when the Vong finally did invade the SW Galaxy, killing trillions.
     
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  48. markomac

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    HAHA, my dad told me about this the other day and that was the first thing I asked him about it.
     
  49. greylocke

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    Onli Won Kanomi, you make a really weird kind of sense. and that's frightening. You aren't an author by any chance are you?
     

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