How long was Luke on Dagobah?

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  1. Vermithrax 4

    Vermithrax 4 Well-Known Member

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    It couldn't have been long because it seems that only a couple of days elapsed between the time the Falcon escaped Hoth and arrived at Cloud City. Unless they were in the belly of that worm and on the back of that star destroyer a LOT longer than I ever thought. This is not something I really caught on to in my younger days but here over the last few years I started wondering how much Jedi training Luke actually undertook on Dagobah and how much training it takes to become one.

    Also, in ROTJ, the scene between Yoda and Luke...was that Luke's first return since his duel with Vader? It couldn't have been, he would had to have been back there before for additional training before taking on Jabba.

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  2. Talisen

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    Um 30 minutes! I recall somewhere that it was supposed to be about a month. Maybe the Falcon, without Hyperdrive really had some distance to travel?
     
  3. The BDK

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    Yes that is first return to Dagobah. In ESB he promises to return and complete his training. In ROTJ he says he came back to fulfil that promise.
     
  4. SciFiMuseum

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    I always thought he went to Tattooine and went to Obi-Wan's hut and read through his stuff and found the instructions to build his own lightsaber-Canon in the deleted scene. Maybe he found Obi-Wan's Jedi training manuals from his old republic days and trained that way. He is wayyyy more powerful between ESB and ROTJ so he did something.

    *LOL got his Jedi degree online...
     
  5. SSgt Burton

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    And to add to this, Yoda replied that Luke did not require any more training, he had already learned everything he needed to become a Jedi.

    My take on the length was something like a month (maybe 5 weeks at best) as well.

    A week or so (maybe three or four days) of the Falcon in the spaceworm.

    Three weeks to get to Bespin (maybe four).

    Maybe two or three days at best on Bespin before Lando's dinner (and big surprise).


    It definitely wasn't a long time. Luke did kind of have a "head start" as he had already been practicing using the Force long before going to Dagobah.

    Funny thing is, Luke is never really taught any swordplay... guess it comes naturally to Jedi. :lol


    Kevin
     
  6. Vermithrax 4

    Vermithrax 4 Well-Known Member

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    All good responses.

    The sense of time passing is handled well on Dagobah...but I never got any sense of much time passing on the Falcon. Everything seems to pass by in a day or so. And Bespin was fairly close by, although the observation that it would have taken a while to get there is valid since their hyperdrive was obviously not working.

    In ROTJ I had always assumed that it was Luke's first trip back to Dagobah after having left but later I reasoned that he would had to have gone back at least once, took some more training, got more powerful, set his plans to rescue Han in motion, then left to actually do that, was gone some time, then "came back to complete the training", whence he finally got the nerve up to ask Yoda about Vader being his father. That's how I rationalized it. I do know about the cut scene in Ben's house with the lightsaber but since it was cut we could guess that he built his new saber with the help of Yoda and perhaps the fight training happened during his second visit to Dagobah.

    This is all just speculation, of course, but it's always fun to work this stuff out.
     
  7. SSgt Burton

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    I was just thinking about this-

    We use the time in the asteroid field and "time it took to get to Bespin" as a reference...

    However Luke had a premonition of Han and Co. being tortured "in the future"...

    For all we know he may have already left to rescue them before the Falcon had even arrived at Bespin (thereby making his training cut even shorter than we think).

    Of course it all plays out chronologically in the film. I don't think Lucas pulled a Tarantino/Nolan and presented things out of order. :lol


    Kevin
     
  8. CessnaDriver

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    Seems like a week or two, barely nothing. We see Luke basically get a few lessons.

    Of course there is lots of space travel and maybe there are time issues involved with that.
     
  9. Columbo

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    Without light speed it would take the Falcon years to travel from Hoth to Bespin even if the stars are really close together. If Hoth was chosen as a remote hideaway it should be well away from everywhere. This proves Luke was on Dagobah about four years. :wacko :lol

    Luke didn't need more training after Empire to take on Jabba and his gang. They don't compare to Vader. Vader is why no more training is needed, because the fight in Empire with Vader is the final lesson. Luke learns patience and not to give in to anger. Learns it the hard way. :behave
     
  10. Drewid

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    The biggest thing to remember is that the Falcon was only able to move at sublight speeds. Han mentions that Bespin is far, but they can make it. According to wookiepedia, the Falcon carries about 2 months of supplies. Han might have stockpiled more supplies since it is a freighter, albeit a really fast one.
     
  11. rodneyfaile

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    I always thought it was odd that Yoda doesn't want Luke to go help his friends because his training was incomplete. He isnt ready. But as soon as Luke returns in the next movie he tells him his training is done, he is ready for Vader.
     
  12. mbmcfarland

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    Yeah, without hyperdrive the Falcon would experience relativistic time effects, so maybe Luke stayed on Dagobah for a long time while less time passed for the crew on the Falcon, moving at near light speed.

    Oops - too slow! I don't think Physics exist in the Star Wars universe anyway.
     
  13. CessnaDriver

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    Cuz he had to face Vader in order to be ready to face Vader. :lol

    Sounds silly but maybe the inadvertent lesson he got by running off early and soundly getting thumped accelerated his Jedi career more then sitting in Dagobah class. He also was willing to die instead of getting dragged off to the emperor in Empire, later he of course in Jedi offers himself on a platter but he was ready then to face the darkside in all its fury.
     
  14. Drewid

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    To be fair, there was about 8 months between the events of ESB and RotJ. Something about tracking down Boussh so Leia could take his armor, setup cover stories for Lando, Luke building a lightsaber, and who knows what else the writers came up with.
     
  15. Vermithrax 4

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    That's why I say Luke had to have been back to Dagobah at least once, possible several times, to undergo more training to the point where Yoda declared that now he was finally ready to face Vader. Of course, it would have helped if they had explained this at some point in the film. :lol

    Whether sublight or hyperlight, it never takes long to get anywhere in the SW universe, really. "Pretty far" just equals a couple of hours in SW time it seems. The Falcon jumped to lightspeed in ANH, they took a few moments to get settled in, play a game of chess, start lightsaber training....and less than five minutes later, "It looks like we're coming up on Alderaan." Of course, this is all just part of the fun of the SW universe, making space travel feel like a drive down the road.
     
  16. CessnaDriver

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    Kinda interesting how involved Jedi training is supposed to be or rather how involved it evolved to be in the prequals, from a little kid on up seems like at least what? 15 years?


    Here comes Luke who has demonstrated only superior whining and piloting skills on Tatooine, gets exactly one lesson on the Falcon from Ben and a remote,
    add a few weeks or so training on Dagobah, he is taking on a Sith lord on Bespin who had full Jedi training since a child. Granted Vader was probably holding back, but Luke got in some good ones none the less.

    Though I suppose Luke was practicing a little bit on his own pre Dagobah, enough to get the saber out of the snow on Hoth, barely.
     
  17. Probe Droid

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    Long or short enough for someone to carp about it.
     
  18. Vermithrax 4

    Vermithrax 4 Well-Known Member

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    But of course! It's what makes life worth living. :lol
     
  19. Wes R

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    I just find it funny that in the prequels they're raising the kids from being like 4 years old to be Jedi and Luke learns it all in a month. He's a faster learner than his dad was as he had to work at it for years lol. Whoops i didn't notice Cessnadriver mention it already lol.
     
  20. SciFiMuseum

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    A lot of stuff has been covered already but Luke considered himself a Jedi already so there had to be more training-so he probably taught himself. I think like 3 years had gone by between ESB and ROTJ. Chewie confirms that Luke is a Jedi to Han in Jabba's holding cell and Han says "A jedi Knight, I am out of it for a little while and everyone gets delusions of grandeur..." Also he did in fact go to Obi-Wan's hut as I wrote above as the deleted scene makes it canon...When he returns to Yoda on Dagobah it is the first time he was back since ESB, this is in the dialog.
     
  21. SciFiMuseum

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    Also he used the Jedi mind trick on Bib and force choked the Gammorrean guards...more training.
     
  22. SSgt Burton

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    I always thought it was about a year between ESB and ROTJ.

    Err... no offense... but how would Chewie "confirm" that Luke is a Jedi? Did Luke show Chewie his Jedi Knight Graduation Certificate first? (Just having a little fun here ;) )


    And Han was 100% right in saying that. Luke is going around "telling" people he is a Jedi Knight now. There wasn't any actual ceremony "promoting" him to the rank of Jedi... Even Luke himself wasn't 100% sure he was a Jedi yet.

    Honestly the only one left to tell him he truly was a Jedi was Yoda, and he croaked after ten minutes of Luke visiting him.

    And to make matters worse... Yoda tells him he will be the last Jedi after Yoda dies, and to take on the duty of training more Jedi.

    So Luke is now to be the one and only Jedi Instructor in the Universe...


    After about a month of formal training. :wacko :lol


    Kevin
     
  23. CessnaDriver

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    Maybe Chewbacca just calls him Jedi because he's close enough at that point to a wookie, maybe that is the way his race perceives things, you act and behave like something that's what you are, no need for ceremony. Maybe Chewie just knew.
     
  24. d_jedi1

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    Obviously, it wasn't canon but I THINK I read something once that indicated a longer stay for Luke.
    Somewhere on the order of six months with another six month gap (or thereabouts) between Empire and Jedi.
    Still not very long though.
     
  25. SSgt Burton

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    I think it's more a case of nobody being around to truly know the difference.

    In other words Yoda is the only real Jedi left (and he was on his death bed) and the only other two "qualified" to know if Luke was truly a Jedi were the badguys. ;)

    Luke introduces himself to Jabba as a Jedi Knight, however like I said, even Luke isn't completely sure he is a Jedi yet at this point. He was a bit surprised when Yoda told him he required no more training.

    My point is that Luke was "getting ahead of himself" a bit by going around telling everyone he is a Jedi. And how would anyone he told know whether he was right in calling himself one or not? They have no reason to doubt him because they have no idea what it means/requires to become one.


    Kevin
     
  26. Flagg

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    Maybe Yoda was * at him for leaving before his training was done and was doing the cynical dad routine. "Yeah Kid, you know everything already, why don't you just go fight the big scary guy and see what happens. Now * off."

    I would of been mad if I was Yoda as well. Here I am offering to teach this whiny brat the secrets of the universe and he won't listen and goes off to do his own thing even though I told him not to. Now here he comes a while later and says he ready to finish his training now. Too bad bucko, schools closed.
     
  27. CessnaDriver

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    Maybe Luke didn't think he was just yet, but for practical purpose allowing everyone else to think he was was logical. Going into potential battle it was a good mind psych on Jabba and his goons, he was more then enough of a Jedi to handle them evidenced by the smoking ruins of the skiff.
    So for himself, he knew there were still some things to do, for everyone else, Jedi works fine.
     
  28. Vermithrax 4

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    I think Jabba would have definitely known if Luke was a Jedi or not, which is why he snorted when Luke warned him "not to underestimate his powers". I seem to recall a line from Jabba to Luke in the novelization that went, "I was killing your kind when being a Jedi meant something." This line of dialogue implies that during the Jedi purge Jabba had captured Jedi brought before him and he disposed of them in horrible and entertaining ways. Which, frankly, is a frightening idea for the powerful Jedi Order to have been so ostracized that Knights could have been made sport of in this way.
     
  29. DaddyfromNaboo

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    Nobody knew what a padawan was in 1983, so the only choice of designation was "Jedi Knight". "Jedi squire" wouldn´t have been as impressive.
     
  30. Onli Won Kanomi

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    Chewie knew what a Jedi was better than Han because Chewie was older and had personal relationships with Jedi a long time before the Falcon ever took on as passengers a Tatooine farmboy and 'Crazy Old Wizard' from the Jundland Wastes.

    And it was not just any Jedi that Chewie had a friendship with but the Grand Master of the Jedi Order:

    "Good relations with the Wookies I have" - Yoda, ROTS

    And one of those relationships was with Chewbacca as we see when Yoda leaves Kashyyk.

    So I'd say Chewbacca was pretty well qualified to know a Jedi when he saw one.



    As for the issue of timelines from Hoth to Bespin for Han, Chewie, Leia and the Droids and Hoth to Dagobah to Bespin for Luke lets remember that without FTL it wouldnt take just months or even years but possibly centuries or more...and though relativistic time dilation would allow the Falcon to get to Bespin while its passengers while they were still young the relativistic effects would only apply to those onboard...time would still pass normally to Luke so Luke should have arrived at Bespin long before the Falcon could arrive even if he'd spent months on Dagobah....unless for at least part of that time Chewie had managed to fix the Hyperdrive 'offscreen'.
     
  31. Dung0beetle

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    Luke used his Emergency Fleet Pass to travel a great distance in a matter of seconds. After staring at the loading screen for a few seconds, he quickly arrived on Bespin via the fleet shuttle. By now, his Quick Travel ability was off cooldown, so once at the Bespin spaceport, he used the Quick Travel ability to instantly teleport to the Cloud City Cantina.
     
  32. phase pistol

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    Luke was on Dagobah for less than 12 parsecs. :sleep
     
  33. Laspector

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    When I watched the movie it seemed like he was only on Dagobah for about twenty minutes.....Literally..:lol
     

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