How far has George sold out???

Discussion in 'Entertainment and Movie Talk' started by Allfate, Jan 31, 2012.

  1. Allfate

    Allfate Active Member

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    I'm not sure if anyone has written about this yet, but I just saw a Star Wars commercial for Brisk Ice Tea. I can understand merchandising, but this is a bit too far. I thought Jar Jar was bad enough, but if this keeps up we might have have to deal with a 3D version of the movies with even more changes... Oh wait!
  2. MooCriket

    MooCriket Master Member

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    Link? I dunno. I really liked the Rocky Brisk tea commercials. If it has Jar Jar in it...that is where I draw the line in the sand. Don't Jar Jar Moo's Brisk tea baby.
  3. Angelus Lupus

    Angelus Lupus Sr Member

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    Well I just saw Yoda on TV advertising for Vodaphone while eating at a Japanese restaurant.
  4. WarPig

    WarPig Sr Member

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    It's on YouTube...

    Actually, it's no worse than Episode 1 was :p
  5. binkleywalker

    binkleywalker Sr Member

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    Eminem did one of these too. If he's doing it, than Lucas doing it is no big deal.
  6. Michael Bergeron

    Michael Bergeron Legendary Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    You're talking about the guy that authorized this:


    Nothing new folks. ;)
  7. dbalschi

    dbalschi Sr Member

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    Seriously? Another one of these threads? No wonder George wants to retire.
  8. cayman shen

    cayman shen Master Member

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    And no wonder I want him to!
  9. JD

    JD Master Member

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    Why do we always worry about how other people make money?

    Lucas was smart enough to get the rights for Star Wars in lieu of some of his payment back in 76/77, he took a huge risk. So more power to him...

    In all honesty, I do wonder how a merchandising deal like this might actually work. Is Lucas truly making a quick buck? Or is this more along the lines of advertise my 3D movie coming out?
  10. jedimaster

    jedimaster Sr Member

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    Seriously? The guy who bought you your childhood memories and all you can do is ***** about him. Without George this place wouldn't have half the props we do. If he wants to put yoda's face on toilet paper.... So what, it's his yoda. If you don't like it don't buy it.
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  11. Funky

    Funky Master Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Yeah, then there's R2 in the commercials for the Verizon phones...
    Then the kid in the Darth Vader commercials...
    Then Vader with the batteries...
    Then Yoda cup of noodles...

    It goes on and on.

    What can you say? He created the golden cow and he's going to milk it for every last drop. :unsure The dood is a billionaire. Who can fault him?
  12. SSgt Burton

    SSgt Burton Sr Member

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    He really doesn't need the money, but would it be more a case of the advertisers seeking out permission from Lucas?

    I mean surely he doesn't have to contact Verizon for example and ask if they want to use R2 for one of their commercials.

    Or is it simply not liking your "heroes" being reduced to used car salesmen? :lol

    Honestly I gave up on Star Wars a long time ago, so if I were to see Jar Jar in the latest Ford commercial (the new safety features will protect even an idiot like him)- I'd just roll my eyes and laugh.

  13. Wes R

    Wes R Legendary Member

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    I don't think anyone has gotten such a sweet merchandising deal since Lucas did this. I don't mind the merchandising as I like movie tie-in toys for the most part but it's the movies that bug me.
  14. Nwerke

    Nwerke Master Member

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    He may not need the money personally but he is trying to run a business. It's a very expensive operation and no source of revenue is to be sniffed at. I'll bag George for any number of reasons, but this really isn't one of them.
  15. micdavis

    micdavis Master Member

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    One of our members' R2 at that. :lol
  16. Scott Graham

    Scott Graham Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    I like the ads. Finally some fun with the movies. Will the George Lucas bashing ever stop?! This is hilarious. He can do what he wants.
  17. Lutso

    Lutso Sr Member

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    How many threads do we have up right now almost identical to this one?

    We're all aware of the situation.
  18. Cenobyte

    Cenobyte Sr Member

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    It is to promote Ep1 in 3D. The Lipton bottles (some) have Ep1 artwork on them.
  19. Alric

    Alric Well-Known Member

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    How much direct involvement would he actually have in these ? Does he not have a merchandisng department to milk the property ?
  20. Allfate

    Allfate Active Member

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    Please do not get me wrong... I believe he was the pioneer of the concept of movie merchandising. Possibly one of the most influential and imaginative people in media history. Beyond a shadow of doubt one of the people in this world I would most want to say, "Thank You" to, but how far can something be taken before it makes a mockery of a work of art? Nothing I have ever seen or read has ever has as much of an effect on my imagination as the Star Wars saga, and it just feels to me that some of these things just feel too cheesy. I don't even mind the Verizon commershial, but big headed Yoda and Darth Maul fighting over ice tea just seemed to demine something that means a lot to me. Wouldn't it be a better idea to offer its characters to something that offers some respect to the origin?? Especially sense money is not an issue? Or maybe I'm just making more of it than I should and soon we can all buy some limited edition Star Wars toilet paper?? Should I be excited to see such a mockery of something I love so?? You tell me.
  21. Vermithrax 4

    Vermithrax 4 Well-Known Member

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    I have to wonder why those who are griping about "another one of these threads" don't just skip over the thread when they see the title? It's easy and requires no effort, in fact it takes less effort than reading the thread and then typing out a gripe about it. If it doesn't interest you or even irritates you then just stay out of the thread. Perhaps the person who posted the topic didn't see the previous threads, or perhaps he/she is bringing another aspect of it to our attention, it's their right to do so, that's what these message boards are FOR. You can't have a message board and then proceed to gripe and complain about what people post in it. If the OP has a thought they want to express regarding the declining marketing practices of George Lucas then they have every right to express it without being raked over the coals by the Mayberry detachment of the Thread Police. Believe it or not, there are other people who feel the same way, that in a number of cases these noble characters (except Jar Jar) are turning increasingly into the Jedi version of Billy Mays. I mean what's next? Yoda car wax? Obi-Wan Kenobi salad dressing? Infomercials for a Jedi "lightsaber" food chopper?

    Okay, so you don't agree. Then post an opposing viewpoint in a manner that demonstrates that we're living in a more civilized age. If you're unable to manage that...then simply DON'T READ THE THREAD!
  22. steveo

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    I kind of like the commercial and the product. I wonder if since it's TPM, if when it was originally done in '99 with all the merchandising, if Pepsi still has rights to make money from it.
  23. Robiwon

    Robiwon Master Member Gone but not forgotten.

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    I don't mind the commercials and product tie-ins at all. Especially if it gave one of our members some exposure if the above is true. I absolutely love the commercial with the little kid in Vader costume trying to Force move stuff and then dad hits the remote on the car.

    I think we should start a "SW TV commercial tie-in" thread. Nothing but tie-ins, LoL!
  24. Solo4114

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    In fairness, the cheesy merchandising dates back as early as the first film when you could buy Star Wars shoelaces, Star Wars elastic belts with the words "Star Wars" printed on them in a nondescript font and with a cheap brass buckle showing an X-wing (I actually saw one of these once), etc. ThreepiO's doesn't surprise me, either.

    Much of the time, this is just licensing of the brand and imagery, and Lucas just collects the check. They don't control the license very tightly as far as the cheesiness or seriousness of merchandise is concerned. I mean, obviously they don't want the brand on some lead-paint-coated edible toy or whatever, but otherwise they've never really tried to lock down the brand to only serious tributes or particularly cool stuff.

    As was said, I'd bash Lucas for plenty, but I don't think he deserves a ton of grief over this, especially since it's been a part of the franchise since the very beginning.
  25. Kerr Avon

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    I don't give one rip about the marketting of Star Wars. Hell, I'd be okay with them selling Lightsaber Vibrators that light up in different colors. After all, they need better market penetration in the female side of sales. *badump-ching* Wouldn't bother me one bit.

    But CHANGING the movies, making Han shoot SECOND, making Luke scream as he falls, and all that **** that ALTERS the very ESSENCE of the characters.

    That **** * me off.
  26. Robert McLain

    Robert McLain Sr Member

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    QFT. You nailed it, man(y)thumbsup

  27. Tremas

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  28. Timmythekid

    Timmythekid Sr Member

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    More precisely, he wouldn't allow his creations to be slapped on everything if nerds didn't keep buying every liscenced POS they see at kmart. WE did this to ourselves, kids.
  29. Commander Max

    Commander Max Sr Member

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    So when are we going to see SW suppositories, when George will need them or when the fans need them?
  30. Werstrooper

    Werstrooper Well-Known Member

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    tbh I think the merchandise for Pixars Cars and Cars 2 is way worse than Starwars
  31. nickytea

    nickytea Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    I'd kill for some of my favorite flicks to have as awesome of merch as Star Wars has.
  32. Shadow345

    Shadow345 Well-Known Member

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    I agree
  33. Jeyl

    Jeyl Master Member

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    I don't know about you, but a lot of stuff that many talented people have made during my child hood I still like. Star Wars on the other hand is one of those things that got more and more distant the more Lucas tampers with it. Going out of his way to tell me that I was wrong for looking at it in that particular way just bugs me. Sure, it's his right to tamper with his own work, but as a film maker and a story teller, shouldn't our experiences count for something? Was Star Wars not made to entertain? Why can't we just take what he had previously given us and experience what we took out of it again instead of having to change our interpretations of it on every release?
  34. clancampbell

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    Must be pretty neat being a billionaire......

    ......if i was a billionaire, and i'd made the money from fans of a movie series i'd dreamt up, i reckon i'd say a thank you to the fans and acceed to their wishes and release the originals on BD.

    We're all different though....maybe because George set out to tell stories and use exciting FX and editing techniques to tell stories, maybe, just maybe, he actually resents that we made him the Emperor of a billion dollar industry......

    OK......back to my Psychology for Dummies book......

  35. Timmythekid

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    They'll come, they'll come. From various interviews it's pretty clear that LFL's executive board, Fox, Lucas Liscencing, ****, even that asshat McCallum wants the originals released in an HD format. You can COUNT on it happening.
  36. Funky

    Funky Master Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    It all comes down to this.
    The man is running a business. He's trying to make money. It's not our place to tell him he has enough and to not slap our favorite movie on Bandaids. It's HIS property to do as he wishes. You don't like it? Don't buy the merchandise. You like the movies? Watch them. Hate seeing the commercials? Change the channel and don't give it a second thought.
    Griping about this (though I understand it's mostly venting) certainly won't make the Lucas camp change their mind.
  37. NormanF

    NormanF Master Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    I don't care if he licenses this stuff out to anybody with $5 in their hands. I just wish he'd get back to making movies with good stories instead of marketing tools for kids toys. Hi Jar Jar!
    Phantom Menace Review

    Come to think of it, it would be nice if he would stop going back and changing his older movies to cram more effects in them.
    Last edited: Feb 6, 2012
  38. cboath

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    They're doing this because they're too cheap to advertise the movie themselves. Sad really.

    Then again, there's something to be said, i suppose, for if others are willing to do the work for you and pay you to do it....
  39. Commander Max

    Commander Max Sr Member

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    I remember a day when people wanted more special effects in films.
    Now we have had just about enough.

    My cousin sent me a pic with one her boys playing with the large AT-AT toy. I got kind of sad, if Lucas has his way this kid will never see what started it all. He will see very different films from what got us into all this in the first place.
  40. The Night

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    anybody seen the South Park episode on this?
    Free Hat (Season 6, Episode 9) - Full Episode Player - South Park Studios
    relelvant to the topic and worth a laugh.

    in the end they are his movies and he can do what he pleases with them, whether people agree with it or not. and honestly, outside these forums and places with such devoted fan bases most people wont care that much. most wont even notice the few changes
  41. Psab keel

    Psab keel Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    I think the solution to all of this is apathy. Star Wars is awesome, but it's not life.
  42. CB2001

    CB2001 Master Member

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    You totally nailed it. :cool :thumbsup

    But let's face it guys. He's lost his * mind. As many of you know, he said the following words back in the 1989 (and he has become the very thing he was arguing against): "People who alter or destroy works of art and our cultural heritage for profit or as an exercise of power are barbarians, and if the laws of the United States continue to condone this behavior, history will surely classify us as a barbaric society."
  43. Timmythekid

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    Can't we please, PLEASE put this one to bed? It's been hashed and re-hashed ad-nauseum. His speech was about people coming in to alter an artist's work without the artist's consent, not about an artist altering their own works. Granted you might argue that he's not the only artist, but using this out of context quote has got to stop.
  44. micdavis

    micdavis Master Member

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    I love the ones that prattle on how GL thinks, acts or behaves, when they've never even set foot into a room with the man.

    Therefore their only real experience HAS to be through rumor and the internet.

    Really people, that's how you form an opinion about someone or something.

    Very sad. It's this kind of nonsense that give Star Wars fans a bad name.
  45. Kerr Avon

    Kerr Avon Master Member

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    No, it's hypocritical.
  46. micdavis

    micdavis Master Member

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    ...and the voice of entitlement is an old tired song as well.

    It's his movie not yours.

    ....and go write something BETTER than the PT, then come tell me what quality is.
  47. aeonpulse

    aeonpulse Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    *. I'm seriously in the mood for a danish now.
  48. Contec

    Contec Master Member

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    Are the less edited movies still available to find :Yes
    Are they in uber quality : No
    Were you happy to watch those old vhs tapes on your old tv screen at the old times: Yes

    You don't need uber quality to appreciate the old movies, You never even saw the movies when they was shown in the theaters in that uber quality you are wanting to see them in.
  49. Solo4114

    Solo4114 Master Member

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    I did, but the only people who saw it were the other folks who used that stall after me.

  50. Timmythekid

    Timmythekid Sr Member

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    "you keep husing that quote. I do not think it means hwhat you think it means."

    No, it's not hypocritical. He was talking about companies coming in and colourizing old films without the input of the artist. You may not like it, as it doesn't support your argument, but "later generations shouldn't change artistic works" is a very different statement than "no one should be able to change an artistic work". And they're not mutually exclusive. He's saying we need to protect the artist and not allow corporate boardrooms to make artistic choices and alter existing work. It wasn't a statement about preserving the integrity of a cultural moment in time, it was about protecting the intentions of the artist.

    I'm all for tearning apart the half-assed work on the SEs, the DVDs, and the BDs; for crying foul over the refusual so far to release the original versions; for the compulsion to change things that never needed to be changed in the first place. Blast away at the bizzare artistic choices and constant fidling, but this insistence that Lucas was the orignal SE basher with this speech needs to go. It's useless because it's misinformed.

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