Hollywood’s current state of failure and the reasons for it

Status
Not open for further replies.
That is one of the best representations of a "Doofus" face I have ever seen.

I googled up the guy's name and that pic was on the first page of the image search. I had no choice but to use it.


Mission Impossible 7 and Indiana Jones 5 both estimated to lose nearly $100million

There's no way Indy#5 lost that little. So far they have barely earned back the production budget alone. And that is the gross sales number before the distributors get their cuts.
 
QUESTIONS:
In the pic, what is the circled ship on the far RIGHT?
And are the small TIEs in the bottom left circle, actually the Kenner die cast versions?!

InkedF4GeVJ6agAA6fBC.jpg
 
Snow White numbers:
  • Through 1947: $6,000,000 (@ $13.4 mil gross)
  • 1953 re-release: $1,400,000 (@ $3.0 mil)
  • 1958 re-release: $500,000 (@ 1.1 mil)
  • 1962 re-release: $2,650,000 (@ $5.83 mil)
  • 1967 re-release: $4,850,000 (@ $10.67 mil)
  • 1970 re-release: $450,000 (@ $1.0 mil)
  • 1976 re-release: $10,500,000 (@ $23.1 mil)
  • through 1982: $26,900,000 (@ $59.2 mil)
  • 1983 re-release: $14,500,000 (@ $31.9 mil)
  • 1987 re-release: $21,352,000 (@ $46.97 mil)
  • 1993 re-release: $18,136,993 (@ $39.89 mil)
The total numbers do come close to the BOM numbers but they are a matter of numerous re-releases. Somehow, BOM has calculated that as selling approximately 109 million tickets and calculated that to an adjusted 2020 total of $1.021 billion, good enough for 11th place.
Im more going for its historical significance.

Snow White not only put Disney on the map, it also was a huge step in US animation. It was the first US produced film length animated film which is a big deal in terms of film history and impact on cinema.

Just because Citizen Kane didnt make as much money as Fast and the Furious 6 doesnt make it a worse film or decrease its “significant” impact to film history. I didnt really enjoy Snow White compared to later films like Aladdin or Lion King but it is a “holy grail” for Disney given what it did for the company. Hence why Im honestly baffled they would allow some entitled teen to bash their property. It would be like Lucasfilm supporting the “new” Leia for a ANH reboot who bashes Star Wars for being problematic for only appealing to men and saying the story needs to be rewritten with Leia saving the day.
 
'Snow White' was the first dramatic animation as we know it.

There wasn't really an intermediate period where it evolved up to realistic figures and 2-hour dramas. Walt Disney jumped the art form from Betty Boop all the way to SW in one step. It was mind-blowing at the time.

It's not just that serious animation wasn't being done yet, it's that nobody even knew if the idea was workable. Would audiences get bored and walk out in 10 minutes? Would they be laughing at the tense parts and be unable to take the 'cartoon' characters seriously? Walt Disney got those questions answered on the day the movie opened. They had spent about 4 years and bet the company on it.

For modern Disney to treat the old SW like an embarrassment . . . it's sad.
 
I think it is worth mentioning that in 1939 the population in the US was 131,000,000 vs. today’s population of 333,000,000. Added to that, there were fewer theaters and less access to a global market in 1939.

To reach the comparative numbers that a modern blockbuster may reach, a film in 1939 would have to be seen by a far larger percentage of the domestic population in a more limited number of venues. The box office, alone, does not yield an apples-to-apples comparison of a film released in 1939 vs. 2020.
Yep...but the point is: Disney laughed all the way to the bank with Snow White (and still does)! Why jeopardize a good thing? They just don't get it:rolleyes::mad:
 
Yep...but the point is: Disney laughed all the way to the bank with Snow White (and still does)! Why jeopardize a good thing? They just don't get it:rolleyes::mad:
I used to think like this. But now I think that they know exactly what they are doing and it's just us that don't get it. I'm in my 50's, getting old and quickly becoming irrelevant. I don't know what they are thinking, but I bet they have a plan. I'm trying to come to grips with the fact that I'll probably never know. I have at most 20 something years left (if I'm lucky). :confused:
 
You’d think so, these days I’m not so sure. Someone will eventually get the bright idea to right that wrong, and we’ll get Uncle Remus’ Revenge.

You're not far off. Because of the perceived insensitive nature of the original film set in the immediate post-slavery, reconstruction South, the U.S. Disney theme parks are currently remodeling their 30+ year old log flume attraction based on the Brer Rabbit and the Briar Patch story (Splash Mountain) and re-theming to Princess Tianna/The Princess and the Frog.

Splash Mountain does not mention Uncle Remus.
Splash Mountain does not mention "Song of the South"
There are no human characters in Splash Mountain.
Slavery / plantation life is not referenced in Splash Mountain.
Brer Rabbit's voice and in Splash Mountain is significantly changed from the film version, to not sound stereotypically ethnic.
Splash Mountain does use the "Zippidy-doo-dah" song from Song of the South, but sung by the animals.
 
You're not far off. Because of the perceived insensitive nature of the original film set in the immediate post-slavery, reconstruction South, the U.S. Disney theme parks are currently remodeling their 30+ year old log flume attraction based on the Brer Rabbit and the Briar Patch story (Splash Mountain) and re-theming to Princess Tianna/The Princess and the Frog.

Splash Mountain does not mention Uncle Remus.
Splash Mountain does not mention "Song of the South"
There are no human characters in Splash Mountain.
Slavery / plantation life is not referenced in Splash Mountain.
Brer Rabbit's voice and in Splash Mountain is significantly changed from the film version, to not sound stereotypically ethnic.
Splash Mountain does use the "Zippidy-doo-dah" song from Song of the South, but sung by the animals.
Splash Mountain Special Edition ™

:confused:
 
Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you the reason why there continues to be movies that require:
- No thought or story
- One CGI spectacle after another
- Constant jump-cutting from set piece to set piece
- Rinse and repeat franchise formulas

Logan Paul Says He Walked Out of ‘Oppenheimer’: “Nothing Happened”

“I walked out of Oppenheimer,” Paul said to shock from the Philippous and his podcast co-host. Asked why, Paul rambled, “I didn’t know what they were trying [to do]. ‘What are you doing?’ Everyone’s just talking. It’s just an hour and a half, 90 minutes, of talking, just talking, talking.”


View attachment 1730983
Dude grew up in the vine 5 second video generation and made his career with short youtube videos as as problematic manchild. Yeah, uploading the video of the suicide victim in Japan was the "last straw" but the dude had appalling behavior for the 7 year old before then. Not surprised he found a more historical movie to be "boring."

The problem is they cite the Suits as an example but Suits is not that good a show. Its barely a good "legal" show in compared to its peers like Boston Legal or Ally McBeal that really only resurged in popularity because return to Netflix plus Meghan Markle. Tell me the writers for Breaking Bad/Better Call Saul are starving and Ill be surprised.

I do think the system is broken with overpaid executives and underpaid staff which results in worse products but dont think residuals are the solution.
 
I see the new thread has become the next “I Hate Disney” thread, with the same usual members piling on. :rolleyes:

Disney has spent the last 15 years on a buying bender. They own a big percentage of all the active major franchises in the business.

Right now they are screwing up worst of all the major studios. Look at the last 6 months of box office bombs alone.

How in the heck could we NOT be talking about Disney here? They are exhibit-A for the thread topic.
 
As posted in the All Things Star Wars thread, a friendly reminder of how fans called a creator out for changes made that would have destroyed the work, and how "the nerds won." To me, it's still a shame what was done. Kinda makes me wish that this had happened a lot more with other works. Maybe we'd be in a spot where this strike wouldn't have happened if it had.

 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top