Hellraiser puzzle cube: configuration of the panels?

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  1. TomVDJ

    TomVDJ Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    I'm trying to determine the correct orientation and positioning of the panels of the puzzle cube from the first Hellraiser movie. I took dozens of screenshots of the bluray version, but when I started puzzeling with the panels, I came to the conclusion that more than one box is used in the movie. For instance: the box seen in the very first scene in the pub, you can determine and position three panels. Later on, in the hospital, wher Kirsty handes the puzzle cube, you can also determine 3 panels. But there is no way to add these to the panels of the first scene. Those two boxes are defenitely not the same.

    So now I wanted to know: does someone knows what configuration (of which scene) is considered THE configuration of the first movie? And can somebody post this configuration here?

    In attachment, I post screenshots of two scenes with the orientation of the three panels you can see. You'll notice that both images can't be combined to one cube. If you would try this, the panels with the big circles in the middle, won't be opposite of each other.
     
  2. patsmear

    patsmear Sr Member

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    The 3 panels are all on the exact opposite sides.
     
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  4. Robiwon

    Robiwon Master Member Gone but not forgotten.

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    Are you building a puzzle box?
     
  5. TomVDJ

    TomVDJ Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    No they're not. Look at the pictures. If you take the panel with the symbols (in the first picture, the one on the bottom right side), and you put the other two panels of the second picture in place, you'll notice that the panels with the circles or not on the opposite site. So it's not the same cube in the scenes.

    I know that one cube should have the panels opposite to each other, but on which way?

    The picture you posted isn't correct at alle. There are 6 different panels, the picture you posted has 3 times 2 exactly the same panels. This is not correct. The panel with the symbols I was talking about, isn't even in the picture you posted.

    I'm not making a cube at this moment, but I might in the future...
     
  6. LeMarchand

    LeMarchand Sr Member

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    also note that the wooden box is 2 toned. sides are brown laquer, top +bottom ebony/black
     
  7. Robiwon

    Robiwon Master Member Gone but not forgotten.

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    I have artwork that I am looking to have photoetched. So far it looks like it is going to be too expensive for me to have done by someone else. I did one a few years ago and sold it. Now I'm looking to do another. If I can find a place that can etch the panels that I can afford I'll offer up copies. I may wind up having to do it myself.
     
  8. TomVDJ

    TomVDJ Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Indeed, the two sides with the big inner circle plates, are black.

    But I'm really wondering about the orientation of the panels. Any ideas, anyone?
     
  9. Rick H

    Rick H Well-Known Member

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    is this the pattern?
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  10. yoopees

    yoopees Active Member

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    From my understandings...best bet would be to make either interchangable plated and/or make 2 different versions... If u have the time. Pretty sure the cube changes again in the other series
     
  11. TomVDJ

    TomVDJ Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Rick H, that's not correct, you re-used each panel. But there are 6 different panels.

    @yoopees, indeed, you can't create one box which shows the correct configuration of each scene in the movie. But since many "puzzle box makers" claim that they can make boxes with configurations to resemble the box from the 1st, second, third, etc... movie, I wondered which scene they would take as a reference to make the configuration of the first movie?
     
  12. Rick H

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    Guess I was wrong about it. I thought there were only 3 basic panels with minor details different on each pair.
     
    Last edited: Nov 13, 2011
  13. yoopees

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    Their claim is probably their preference and ignorance. Not saying it's "original," but I honestly doubt there is an "original" box. Probably a bunch of boxes were made during the shoot of the movie and they just grabbed a different one for difference scenes.

    Director Barker :
    "Hey Larry (aka pinhead) grab one of the cubes from the storage box for the next scene...doesn't matter which one, just grab one"

    That's my interpretation.
     
  14. TomVDJ

    TomVDJ Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Nope, there are 6 different panels. The two panels with the big circle in the middle are almost identical, but not completely. The other two "pairs" have rather big differences. I posted images of the panels in the free paper prop section, you can see the differences clearly there: http://www.therpf.com/f40/hellraiser-104568/ (one of the black panels is not correct, I don't have an image of that one :( ).

    Indeed, maybe it's best to stick to one configuration. I guess yoopees is right about the fact that the moviemakers didn't really care about having the same positioning on each cube...
     
  15. Rik1138

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    I haven't tried to compare with screen caps or anything, but is it possible that each cube had 3 pairs of identical sides, but for some reason there were two completely different cubes? That might be why it's difficult (impossible) to lay them all out based on the movie shots too...

    Or whoever designed/created the original prop designed 6 different sides, but whoever made the brass and built the cubes didn't notice this, so it's just completely wrong on every prop they built? If that's the situation, determining a 'correct' orientation may not even be possible.
     
  16. TomVDJ

    TomVDJ Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    There are scenes where you can see two panels of the same "set" can be seen, and these are different, so I think each cube does have the correct panels, but just not placed the same way on each individual cube. If I have some more time, I might see if I can find pictures of screenused cubes to see if these add some more info about the orientation...
     
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  19. TomVDJ

    TomVDJ Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Great references, guys! I'll sure look into these.
     
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  21. nick daring

    nick daring Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    I can't believe the response you got from the members there.

    You should have the same discussion thread here on the RPF. I'm sure you'd get a much better response here. The RPF is all about getting things as close to screen accurate as possible. I for one would love a "perfect" puzzle box.

    The Neca panels that you posted from that auction look very promising. I much prefer the distorted dots over the perfect ovals as seen in those commonly found graphics.

    Nick
     
  22. puzzleboxmaker

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    Hydes got it right, those panel orientations previously posted are not correct, the ones in the link he provided here: http://www.cenobite.com/box/lament
    is the correct orientation for several boxes including the original movie.
     
  23. puzzleboxmaker

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