Hellraiser Puzzle Box

Discussion in 'Replica Props' started by Hyperion Rail, Dec 18, 2011.

  1. Hyperion Rail

    Hyperion Rail New Member

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    I'm sure you guys have seen these before but I'm quite proud of mine.

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    Obviously a replica, not a stage prop but I included that last photo because of the bell jar display I made for mine. Also the Freddy Glove on top is just the Rubies costumes "cheaper" metal model and not the NECA one that just came out, tho I'm hoping to pick that one up eventually.

    The Cube is from Hellraiser Puzzle Box Sales and Gallery. Lament Configuration Movable working puzzle boxes. Unique Versions of Philip LeMarchand Lament Configuration and the expensive model made from real wood and brass. The thing is beautifully done and tho it fell apart once, the guy let me ship it back and have it fixed and it looks immaculate again. I love having this on display in my house (tho it's locked away for now due to a silly reason I can't explain) because when people come over and see it, knowing what it is, they suddenly become fixated on it. I once had a friend over who was a fan of the movies and when he saw it he was scared of it. I offered to let him hold it and he backed away all shaking his head. :lol

    All picking on him aside, i've NEVER attempted to "do the motions" from the films in fear I may ACTUALLY solve the box. lol. Also I don't like to handle it for fear of it falling apart again. I strongly recommend this thing to anyone, it's just so pretty. I wish someone would make a replica of the Leviathan configuration for me to purchase.
     
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  2. Maelstrom

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    Nice. Cool display as well!
     
  3. mortuus

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    Here is mine, signed also by Bradley himself :cool

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  4. Confusius

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    Very nice! Displaying a piece is very important. How did you make that jar?
     
  5. Skaar

    Skaar Active Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Love the freddy glove over it haha.
    that's seriously cool.
     
  6. footy11

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    Hi Guys,

    Totally new to the forum.
    I registered as I have a NECA Lament Configuration prop replica with display case and signed COA limited to 500 pieces worldwide (as im sure you know)
    Just wondering how much this is worth these days? Cant find any for sale or available online!!
    Not selling just curious :)
    Thanks
     
  7. bradisdrab

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  9. Madcap

    Madcap Active Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    That is -exactly- what I wanted to do with my freddy glove when get a puzzle box display, heh. I love it. :thumbsup
     
  10. bradisdrab

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  11. Sparticle

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    Mine was given to me, with a note saying, "It's yours, It always was."
    Not many people touch it, much less pick it up.
     
  12. Lurksmith

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    You can find a few reviews on the Hellbound Web. Dead slow forum compared to the RPF (what isn't?) but there are posts from people who've had the boxes long-term. You can probably find more if you dig through their archive as well.

    Puzzleboxmaker.com and hellraiserpuzzlebox.com are the two that come up the most these days and I've heard mostly good. I don't personally own one though.

    I own the Screamin plastic box, a NECA, a couple junk boxes from I don't know where, and one from Pyramid Gallery. The Screamin is cheap plastic, it's the wrong scale, but it's a cute costume banger. Stay away from the NECA unless you see it first hand or there are detailed pics of it out of the box. That $500 NECA on the bay has been there forever. They rarely go for anywhere near that price due to notorious quality issues. Poor finish and likely uncured wood meant the panels lifted a lot. If you get a rare one with no lift, I'd keep it environment controlled. All makers have to contend with the metal panels wanting to expand/contract at a different rate than the wood. The NECA seems particularly bad at it.
    There was a run of 2500 and a run of 500 "limited" ones. Pretty sure it was the same boxes for both, but the limited one included a signed certificate from the original box maker for the movies and a glass display. They may have done some initial quality sorting as well, because it appeared to some people that the panel lift occurred even before the finish was dry. Mine was one of the 2500. I think I paid 50 bucks and it has sporadic lift. I also had a second one that had panels peeling almost completely off right out of the box. Paid about 30 for that one unseen because I just wanted a project box.

    The ones from Pyramid are beautiful, but they are solid etched and painted brass panels, not acid etched-through brass over wood. Mine is one of the music boxes you wind by turning the disc on the priapus panel. Cool and creepy, and Pyramid definitely works to keep them true to the themes of the mythos. Just be aware that you are buying an art piece, not prop authentic.
     
  13. tonykch

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    I own one from The Puzzle Box Maker. Excellent craftsmanship. Mine is signed on all sides by Doug Bradley, Ashley Laurence, Nicholas Vince, Barbie Wilde, Simon Bamford, and Clive Barker.

    Funny story - When I flew to Florida to get Clive's signature on it, TSA pulled me aside for further screening because they couldn't figure out what it was on the x-ray. They sat there staring at it for a good 5 minutes on the screen before they decided that they should make sure I wasn't trying to blow up the plane. Clive got a kick out of it.
     
  14. phez

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    I don think so. I have one of the limited signed ones and the brass is lifting all over the place. I have been trying to think of a way to fix it but have not figured out anything yet :cry. If anyone has successfully fixed one of these let me know how you did it.
     
  15. tonykch

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    Actually, come to think of it I'm having issues with the brass lifting off as well.
     
  16. Robiwon

    Robiwon Master Member Gone but not forgotten.

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    I'm not sure if this will help at all, but this is how I built my box and affixed the panels. I used clear wood varnish to attach my panels. I painted one side with the clear varnish and then layed my panel in place while it was still wet. I let this sit over night. I did each panel that way. Once all panels were attached, I covered the whole thing in clear varnish. This helped to secure the panles down and prevented oxidation of the brass.

    You may be able to apply some varnish under your lifted panel and then set that side down on a piece of wax paper. Put a few books on top to apply pressure. Leave it overnight. When dry, coat the whole box with another coat of varnish.
     
  17. tonykch

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    Any idea what varnish will do to a signature written with a Sharpie?
     
  18. Vitus

    Vitus Active Member

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    Cool displays Guys! One of the coolest props!
     
  19. Robiwon

    Robiwon Master Member Gone but not forgotten.

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    Not sure. I would try varnishing over a scrap of something with a Sharpie scribble on it.
     
  20. Nataku

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    NECA could take lessons from you.

    Here's a crappy pic of my Hellraiser setup. One of my schematic frames broke and I'd like to add a higher res pre-Pinhead pic but this is it.
     
  21. Robiwon

    Robiwon Master Member Gone but not forgotten.

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    Thanks Nataku. Hopefully that will work for some.

    I still need to find a photoetcher. I have a set of files that I can have photoeched. I have permission from the owner to use his files. I sold mine long ago and miss it now. I need to build another!

    This is the one I built. It was built on a block of Walnut, a very dense (heavy) hardwood. It had razor sharp edges on it!

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  22. Nataku

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    Robi, do you need panels?
     
  23. Robiwon

    Robiwon Master Member Gone but not forgotten.

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    You got panels?
     
  24. Nataku

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    I have the panels from my old NECA cube. They aren't completely flat but aren't creased and you would need to strip the old Varnish off of them. I was going to frame them with some chains or something but will probably never get around to it. If you need them and promise to use them to make a cube, you can have them. I have a couple pics of them if you want to see them.
     
  25. Robiwon

    Robiwon Master Member Gone but not forgotten.

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    That would be cool dude. I'll take them. I'll shoot you another PM.
     
  26. Nataku

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    PM sent.
     
  27. Robiwon

    Robiwon Master Member Gone but not forgotten.

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    I got your panels a week or so ago. Wow, what the heck did NECA do to these? :confused They looked like crap. It looks like they used brown wood stain to coat them with! I had my work cut out for me. :cool

    I soaked them in Castrol Super Clean over night. I then took a tooth brush to them the next day and scrubbed off the now rubbery residue that was left behind. They were very tarnished though because of the chemicle soak. Next step was to polish them with super fine grit sandpaper. This brought them back to a very nice brass shine! The sanding also flattened out most of the panels. They are now very very useable! I'm waiting on my 3 inch cube of walnut to get finished. When I get it I will start a seperate build thread for this. Pic is clicky.

    Thanks again Nataku.

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  28. O1OO1O11

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    would one of you guys that owns a decent NECA box PLEASE scan *all* 6 sides at 300dpi or greater and zip them up for us? here is a scan of one of my box faces for reference as far as quality:

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    this is from hellraiserpuzzlebox.com and they use the old Xane panels. the NECA boxes are supposedly off the Gary Tunnicliffe design and are slightly more accurate. please help if you can. thanks.
     
  29. Robiwon

    Robiwon Master Member Gone but not forgotten.

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    As soon as I get my box done, I can do that for you.:cool
     
  30. TheDarkPope

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    If I may jump in for a moment or two...

    k, or 01001011, or Possibly Hyde, the Xane files are still the most widely used versions used because they are readily available for anyone who knows how to use Google and finds them. I use them because they were offered freely for anyone to use, and so I do. I won't get into the whole stink of screen accuracy and whatnot, the fact is - they work and nobody knows the minor differences between them and what's on the screen. The biggest difference that nobody seems to complain about is that a screen accurate box will have panels that go to the edge, not have a gigantic gap between the panel and the edge of the box - but that's for a different day. There was a huge stink over on the Hellbound Web forum about accuracy vs screen shots vs geometricaly correct boxes. Wanna rip your hair out - go for it...

    case for professionally remaking the Lament Configuration faceplates - The Hellbound Web

    Lurksmith has a fantastic point about expansion and contraction rates that tends to make once good boxes turn to crap over time. Some people try to get past this by coating the box with 5000 coats of crap just so the panel will stay on, then the box looks like - crap with 5000 coats on it with a cool box underneath it all. Then there's tarnishing, and people playing with it and getting a fingernail caught where it shouldn't. The fact is that it's REALLY difficult to make a pretty box that will stay pretty and not look like globs of crap were put in or in it. They certainly had the right idea to use the bell jar to cover the boxes in the movies. My kudos to those that have the woodworking skills to make a pretty box, and have it last for years.

    As for panels, I have much more knowledge, as I make them. From a production standpoint, they can be frustrating as hell because there are so many areas where things can go wrong. A bad batch of stuff from a supplier, heated improperly, wrong chemical temperature, can instantly turn a beautiful panel into a piece of crap that couldn't be sold with a good conscience, and I'd feel bad giving away. Anyway I'm rambling now. For those that need panels, fear not, they are available. I make mine a full 3 inches, although I can make them any size up to 4 inches as a solid piece, much bigger if you're ok with it being 2 or more pieces. Robiwon mentioned photoetching - if you know what that is, that's what I do. If you don't know what that is (and most people don't) I just say It's chemical etching. Check my links below. I just finished etching 15 pieces today of the one's you don't see any of on my etsy page. They should be posted soon.

    Sorry if this sidetracked the intent of the thread, but I had to jump in ona Hellraiser thread.
     
  31. O1OO1O11

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    DP,

    this is Hyde and yes that was my post. my CAD designer is 3/4 done with my version of the panels and i am still looking for a high-res scan of the Tunnicliffe faces for cross-reference. my panels will be geometrically correct and the filigree will be an amalgamation of (primarily) the Sayce panels, then Tunnicliffe, then Xane. just because Sayce designed the first panels doesn't mean they didn't have their issues, and i have spoken personally to Xane as to why he made the changes he did.

    please do not disparage my thread on HBW. there's no denying both the geometric inconsistencies as well as inaccuracies between the Xane panels and the Sayce panels. to me though it is really very simple. it is like comparing the first Star Wars light saber movie props which looked like crap (up close) to the much better and perfectly crafted replicas enthusiasts make today that are professionally machined and everything. they aren't crappy like the screen-used props but are better versions of them.

    to me - the Hellraiser mythos contends that Leviathan chose LeMarchand for his *perfectionism* and no self-respecting perfectionist would've done such a sloppy job on the Serat faces, especially when the Priapus and Amaimon faces are geometrically sound. this is a replication error. a Sayce, Tunnicliffe, Xane, etc error.

    yes, people will continue to use the Xane panels and that's great. they've gotten us this far and i have several boxes that use those panels. it was very nice of Xane to have supplied them for everyone to use for so many years. Darkman (Larry) from thepuzzleboxmaker.com remade them using CAD and has his own version. Thomas from hellraiserbox.net also uses his own design. i am simply throwing my hat into the ring with my own version that contains the most accurate filigree artwork amalgamation possible and whose panel geometry is geometrically correct. it will be a subtle difference that most won't notice or care about. but there are a lot of people, especially on this forum, who DO care and do their BEST to make things as accurate or accurate and improved as possible.
     
  32. O1OO1O11

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    Robiwon,

    thanks for the offer. could use some more offers if anyone is up to it. i know a number of you own the NECA box. anyone else willing to also lend a hand here?

    TIA
     
  33. TheDarkPope

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    01001011,

    That's TDP, DP is on another forum :)

    After re-reading my post I understand your confusion. I was not trying to be disparaging of your ideas. In fact I understand and partially agree with them. I just thought that the conversation on the HBW got to be more about kicking a dead horse than the issue. Personally I'm looking forward to your designs when they come out. Hopefully you'll be able to spark more Hellraiser interest and conversation.

    I agree totally that there are differences in the panels. Those differences however are only noticable to someone who freezeframes the movie with a box in hand. To the casual observer, close enough is good enough. To most people, if it even sort of looks like it - it's good enough. I also understand that people in this forum want things to be as close as possible to screen perfect as possible.

    That being said, accurate and improved are two very different things. If someone made a light saber that was "imporved" by being able to be activated by voice command - someone else would say it's no longer accurate. One has to be sacrificed for the other. It's either accurate, or not accurate and improved. You can't have it both ways.

    I totally get the idea of the perfectionism and what that would've meant for the box itself. I think your idea would be fantastic if we could go back in time and have that stunningly perfect piece of geometric perfection on the screen. I get that. Hell I would've loved to have seen that.

    I do wonder though how Lemarchand would've come into that type of geometric perfection. A maker of singing birds in the 1780's doesn't strike me as someone who has advanced knowledge of mathematics and geometry. He certainly didn't have the use of CAD. It could be a side hobby I guess. It would of course make more sense that the commissioner of the box would have provided him with the designs (as there was a black magic element involved also), and the box built from those, but in Bloodline you are led to believe that Lenarchand made the design. A wealthy aristrocrat would have the means to have the geometric perfection you're talking about, but I don't think a toymaker would. So how did he do it? I could see that could happen if the puzzle was designed by Lemarchand, and the panels and black magic conjured by the commissioner. Again I'm rambling - if he had the designs to follow, I agree they would be goemetric perfection, and that would be neat to see.

    I would like to thank you for your post on the HBW. When I started making panels, it was a post I read many times and it gave me a lot to think about. Your spirited discussion on there brought up some interesting things. Again I'd like to apologise for not making my point clearer in my previous post. My intent was not to disparage your ideas, many of which I agree with. I just got a bit frustrated (hence the hair ripping out) by the conversation that followed (hence the dead horse).
     
  34. Robiwon

    Robiwon Master Member Gone but not forgotten.

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    Wow guys, I never knew there was so much involved with the design of these panels. I'm a Hellraiser fan, always have been since I saw it in the theater. I should have guessed there was going to be accurate/inaccurate/questionable/not sure/etc. about the accuracy of these panels going on. We are all perfectionists here!

    When I did my box years ago I made sure that I had laid the panels in the right orientation on my cube. I have no clue whose panels they were and I used walnut for my cube. I know that isn't accurate but it was a extremely dense wood that gave me almost razor sharp edges and corners. I will be using it again for my cleaned up NECA panels. But now I am seriously considering buying a new set that are perfectly flat for a second build as well. I made a promise to build a box with the NECAS as I got them for free.

    Someone sent me files on a set of panels and asked that I don't share them publicly. Sadly that PM was purged, I have the files saved, but I don't remember who sent them to me. If your out there, send me another PM as I have a question.

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  35. TomVDJ

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    These boxes don't have a good reputation! The brass panels tend to come off the box, because the wood they used isn't hard enough en expands when the temperature changes. You can even see in the second picture of the auction that the panel is comming off the box already. For $500 you can get much nicer and better boxes on the sites mentioned above.

    I got mine from Hellraiserbox.net Unique Versions of the Lament Configuration movable working puzzle boxes for sale.
     
  36. Sparticle

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    There it is... right there on the mantle... do you see it?

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    Here, just peer a little closer...

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  38. martcpl705

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    That puzzle box is a great piece of horror history. It's as iconic as freddys glove, and Jason mask. Would love to own one
     
  39. metaldud

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    I need one to go with my hellraiser monolopy board.
     
  40. puzzleboxmaker

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    Tony, you say the panels arelisting? when did you purchase your box from me? and if you would like to send me some pictures so I can see what you are talking about, possibley I can repair it for you, wihout messing up your signatures.
    Larry,AKA Darkman, AKA The Puzzlebox Maker
     
  41. puzzleboxmaker

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    Hyde, let's just clarify this again...
    You are "simply throwing my hat into the ring with MY OWN VERSION"

    and YOUR version will "contain the most accurate filigree artwork amalgamation possible and whose panel geometry is geometrically correct"
    for YOUR OWN DESIGN, NOT the most accurate of the boxes or from the movie.

    as you stated we all have our own versions, which is true, and so shall YOU. Yours will be no different than ours as yours will be symmetrical and all that other stuff you mention, but it will me Yours, not the most accurate of the movie versions....

    probably going to get all PO'ed at me again for stating this, but let's just be real here ok? It will be YOUR take on it, not the most accurate of the movie versions...

    :)
     
  42. puzzleboxmaker

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    If you really wanted to be accurtate your puzzleboxes would look like crap like the real movie ones....THAT would be accurate... :)

    BTW Hyde, the Toymaker is back, I tracked him down and he's made a couple posts on the HBW, go talk to him about "Accurate"...

    :)
     
  43. puzzleboxmaker

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    I'd like to get one of the other guys boxes and see who's is the better craftsman...ehh, I know mine are good but ehh, whatever... :)
     
  44. TomVDJ

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    Mmm, clash of the puzzle box makers ;-).

    I now own the Coromandel Puzzle Cube from Norfok (hellraiserbox.net). This was a unique piece and looks unbelievable great! Only thing is that the wood is rather dark. I know on beforehand that this box was not completely screen accurate, but it was so beautiful that I couldn't resist buying it.

    I definitely keep that box, but I'm looking also for a screen accurate box (with two black sides and a ligher wood color on the other sides) with the panel orientation of the first movie. I had one from thepuzzlecube.co.uk before, but that one was no match for the quality of the Norfok version. I just sold it.

    So now I'm in doubt of who to contact for a screen accurate box: Norfok, www.thepuzzleboxmaker.com or www.hellraiserpuzzlebox.com...
     
  45. puzzleboxmaker

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    no not really, it's just the way he comes off. His idea that he is going to be most accurate, is somewhat erroneous, as if he wants to be accurate his boxes would look like crap, because if you see close up shots from the movies they look like crap.

    It can just make the unknowing person think his is most accurate, but his is most accurate for HIS design. Make sense?

    But he is also right, we've all got our own versions. Mine were worked on by my friend who knows autocad and I had him clean then up and make them nice and clean for the etchers I use. So mine will be slightly different than the next guy and so one. We'll all be similar in the way they look but slight differences.

    I understand where he is coming from when and why he wants the most accurate, he obsessive about perfection which is ok, but I've gotten ok with how my boxes look because to me they are a good representation of them.

    was wondering if you could post some hi rez shots of your box from Norfok? I hear he's got good finish on his boxes. and his boxes are nice pieces of work.

    Thanks
    Darkman
     
  46. TomVDJ

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    Still have some pics of it in my imageshack account:

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    This was the cube I sold. Not good enough in my opinion. Borders around the panels also are way too wide, compared with the cube in the movie.

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  47. puzzleboxmaker

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    hahaha yeah those are crazy wide. the box should be 3" square and the plates should be 2.90" just barely a border around.
    thanks for the pictures, the one box looks great, but it looks all black. You said it's too dark right? Maybe he stained it with a stain.

    I did that with a box recently, it is dark and looks cool, but too dark for my liking as well.
     
  48. Robiwon

    Robiwon Master Member Gone but not forgotten.

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    Puzzleboxmaker, what do you think of the borders of the one I posted above. Mine as a 3 inch block of Walnut. I know the wood is not right but it was a nice hard wood that had nice sharp corners. I'm sticking with walnut for my next box. I'm using refinished NECA panels. Not sure how wide they are, do you? I may have to adjust the size of the cube to minimize the border. What do you think?
     
  49. JD Douglas

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    Holy cow! Have y'all seen the animatronic version on Hellraiserbox.net?

    Animatronic Lament

    Can you imagine having this under a glass dome with a floor sensor, or better yet, motion detector, so that when some poor sod reaches for the dome, the puzzle box does its thing?

    Oh man, I'm creaming my jeans just thinking about it...

    - JD
     
  50. puzzleboxmaker

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    The borders on that block, from what I can see look good. do you have a pair of calipers? If not it should be a small border, the plates are 2.9" square, whatever that works out to be, like around a little bigger than 1/16" but smaller than 1/8".

    I've never seen a neca box, I've seen pictures of them falling apart. Sorta remind me of the box I got from Xane many years ago. which is why I started making boxes. Because no one should own a piece of crap like his.
     

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