Haystack's 1/48th Y-Wing Kit

Discussion in 'General Modeling' started by Haystack Hair, Aug 18, 2015.

  1. Haystack Hair

    Haystack Hair Sr Member

    Trophy Points:
    1,990
    Seems to be something in demand by fellow sci-fi modelers, yet only one other kit is on the market and it ain't cheap either, so we'll be bringing this to you hopefully by the end of this year. We're working on a lot of different kit masters, not all SW ones either, so as you can imagine it's quite a hub of activity in my workspace.

    I started out with a blueprint I drew by basing it off my corrected Revell Y-Wing in 1/72nd and also from information gathered through the RPF and various SW art books.

    The wooden components are all mock-ups and/or vacuum forming bucks, the final masters are built in styrene and resin

    The fact that the studio models were in 1/24th scale and mine is exactly half that size has been very fortunate when it comes to donor kits- I was lucky to already have a 1/48th Hurricane V12

    20678496672_03a805c7c9_c.jpg

    20500997249_28e5e3982f_c.jpg

    20066772413_0c725d5d55_c.jpg

    20678491652_c967e5d59b_c.jpg

    20065163564_2eea22f6ef_c.jpg

    20500987519_82a12501bc_c.jpg

    20694484121_528c9c366d_c.jpg

    20499709528_b397b8f98a_c.jpg

    20499708328_5922536be1_c.jpg


    20678496672_03a805c7c9_c.jpg

    20500997249_28e5e3982f_c.jpg

    20066772413_0c725d5d55_c.jpg

    20678491652_c967e5d59b_c.jpg

    20065163564_2eea22f6ef_c.jpg

    20500987519_82a12501bc_c.jpg

    20694484121_528c9c366d_c.jpg

    20499709528_b397b8f98a_c.jpg

    20499708328_5922536be1_c.jpg
     
    Last edited by a moderator: Nov 9, 2018
    knnyjay, LukaFilm, leyrich and 5 others like this.
  2. 5792z

    5792z New Member

    Trophy Points:
    3
    Yes!

    Looking forward to this!
     
  3. blakeh1

    blakeh1 Sr Member

    Trophy Points:
    2,415
    Awesome!
     
  4. jake88

    jake88 Sr Member

    Trophy Points:
    1,085
    That is so freakin bad *! You are seriously making us all look bad so just pack it up brother! :lol

    And send it to me!!!!! :devil

    Seriously, fine work my friend. I love the Y and your doing her proud.
     
    Vacformedhero and Haystack Hair like this.
  5. StevenBills

    StevenBills Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

    Trophy Points:
    1,086
    This thing will sell like hot-cakes. Looks amazing.

    SB
     
    Last edited by a moderator: Nov 9, 2018
  6. blakeh1

    blakeh1 Sr Member

    Trophy Points:
    2,415
    You may or may not have already seen this, but here is some great reference on the Y variants
    http://www.modelermagic.com/?p=70776

    I believe the Revell version like the Bandai version is based on "Gold Leader/Gold 3", while the Fine Molds one is based on "Gold 2"
     
    Haystack Hair likes this.
  7. Haystack Hair

    Haystack Hair Sr Member

    Trophy Points:
    1,990
    I knew all the difference from my research but I never knew about this page, dang I wish I had though! So elegantly presented too...

    Actually I didn't know which callsigns they were named after but I know that the Finemolds kit was based off 'Blue/Grey Tigersprocket' and the Revell kit was based in turn off the Finemolds kit.
    The new Bandai kit looks to be based off 'MOM Tour'
     
  8. rbeach84

    rbeach84 Sr Member

    Trophy Points:
    1,406
    Well, awesome! I've been slowly gathering the data and materials to kick off my own stab at the Y-Wing in 1:48 scale, praying for Bandai to 'upscale' it aside. Your effort looks righteous out of the gate, so "bully"! I'm subscribed...
    Regards, Robert
     
    Haystack Hair likes this.
  9. darth_daniel

    darth_daniel Sr Member

    Trophy Points:
    1,046

    The callsigns Gold 1/2/3 were invented by Fine Molds, so they´re not correct to the film as ILM used just any Y-Wing for any scene.
    The Fine Molds kit seems to be based on the red jammer, judging from the head shape and the swapped left and right side neck side panels. They just replaced some details, like the LEM module for the tiger sprocket on the back. The proportions of fuselage-head-engines are wrong for any Y-Wing miniature though.

    I have no idea where the guy on Modeler Magic got the idea from that the tiger sprocket Y ("Gold 2") has a wider fuselage (maybe because the lighting shows more details on the fuselage sides due to lighting in this one picture), they´re all identical except for some add-on details.
    The fuselages of the MOM Y and TIE killer are very similar, but Bandai definately based their kit off TIE killer since it features many small details the MOM Y does not have.


    Anyway, nice work on your scratchbuild! You may want to rebuild the canopy master though; wider, lower and the top (everything behind the front window) should be completely flat. Looking forward to your next update!
     
    StevenBills and Haystack Hair like this.
  10. Haystack Hair

    Haystack Hair Sr Member

    Trophy Points:
    1,990
    Solid information, this is why I love the RPF. The canopy is definitely not correct, I just whipped it up on the belt sander to get an idea of size and shape, I'll be building the proper master out of styrene
     
  11. newmagrathea

    newmagrathea Sr Member

    Trophy Points:
    1,780
    This awesome info. I've got a Finemolds Y sitting around and I'll probably pick up the Bandai and paint them accordingly.

    HH, awesome work so far. *cough cough* my bank account hates you *cough*
     
    Haystack Hair likes this.
  12. ILMwannabe

    ILMwannabe Active Member

    Trophy Points:
    341
    [/QUOTE]
    In a way, yes. But it makes it easier to individualize them & tell them apart. While it is true that the ILM cameramen definitely preferred some of the "hero" models over others (such as Red Five), and quite a few X-Wing shots in the film do not match the scene, when it comes to the Y-Wing's brief screen time there was some consistency in the film. The first Y-Wing seen from the back (fleet on their way to Deathstar, not Special Edition) has been identified as the "Gold Leader" ship (even though it had a black droid with large white panels). The famous shot of two Y-Wings in the trench, left side view, with the speeding backround (and no droids) seems to show Gold Leader closest to the camera, as could be expected. "Gold Two" is in the background. It seems that they planned it that way, and fortunately the shot did not end up in a wrong place because there was only one Y-Wing attack run. It is presumed that "Gold Leader" is more experienced, therefore the model with the tiny TIE Fighter "kill marking" on its nose is usually associated with "Gold Leader", which is pretty much the same as saying Gold 1. And the film does mention that he went into the trench with Gold Two and Gold Five. The Gold Five model is not discussed in the aforementioned website but it has been documented in various pictures & the BluRay special features. Apparently it was a well-detailed pyro model with four crosshair-like marks on the apex of each of its yellow-marked engines, and it did not have a bluish canopy. If you carefully pause the film, you might notice that the markings on the ship shown when Gold Five gets its engine blown off in the film seems to match the "Gold Five Model".

    So I don't think it was too much of a stretch for Fine Molds to call them 1, 2 . . . with the exception of the one with the brown/green engine markings (the one that Fine Molds calls "Gold Three"). That one never appeared in ANH, but it seems to have appeared at the end of ESB. Lorne Petersen's book, "Sculpting A Galaxy" mentions an unexploded pyro which survived to see screen time later. But there seems to be no "canon" information to link that model to "Gold Three". The one in Return of the Jedi was scratchbuilt by a private modeler who was hired by ILM before ROTJ -Bill George. It was reported that they used it because at the time there were no more suitable "hero" Y-Wing models left. But that one has no documented assigned number either . . .
     
    Haystack Hair likes this.
  13. darth_daniel

    darth_daniel Sr Member

    Trophy Points:
    1,046
    Thanks, I know all of that because I´ve been looking through Y-Wing reference photos far too many hours... I didn´t know though that tiger sprocket was being explicitly referred to as Gold 2 in the film. Anyway I agree Gold 1, 2 and 3 might be better names for a commercial kit than fan-made names like "TIE killer", "tiger sprocket" and "MOM Y-Wing"...

    I have to correct you though on 'Gold 3´s' engine markings, they are neither brown nor green. It´s just grey with yellow overspray from the engine dome marking shining through, so some people mistake it for brown.

    A friend sent me a photo some days ago showing a Y-Wing being rigged for explosion in front of the blue screen, and the model looks like a 'hybrid' of TIE killer and triangles (Gold 5) so there might have been more Y-Wings (pyros) built for ANH than commonly known.
    For ROTJ there were some more Y-Wings built in addition to Bill George´s model. A photo shows 4 unpainted Y-Wings with the MOM Y in the background and a TIE Interceptor panel which proves they´re not from ANH. 3 of those 4 are mounted from the front (tube into the nose), and 2 such nose-mounted Y-Wings can be seen in the model groupshot with George Lucas standing in the middle.
    So the commonly known Y-Wings might make up maybe not even half of the number of Y-Wings actually built.

    Did I mention I love Y-Wings? :D
     
    Haystack Hair likes this.
  14. ILMwannabe

    ILMwannabe Active Member

    Trophy Points:
    341
    Me too. Thanks for the info! I didn't know that the markings on "Gold 3" were not really brown or forest green. There are photos of that model in several different phases of construction (before some piping was added, after, different droids, additional weathering later, etc.). And I've seen it & photographed it myself on two different occasions. I find it amazing that they took what was probably a pyro model & were able to retrofit lights to it for ESB. As for names, since there's nothing official so it doesn't really matter, but we have to call them something, so I prefer calling the last one the "Bill George Y-Wing", and even though "Red Jammer" seems prevalent, simply calling it the "Red Y-Wing" seems descriptive enough to me. I never liked the "jammer" part. Amongst my small group of friends we refer to Gold Five as "Pops" 'cause he seemed older & more experienced, ironically (and got an instant promotion when the younger Gold One was pulverized! "I copy Gold Leader")

    Getting back to the subject, can't wait to see the 1/48 Y-Wing finished. It's coming out great . . .
     
  15. Haystack Hair

    Haystack Hair Sr Member

    Trophy Points:
    1,990
    Today I was mainly focusing on building the cockpit, and starting the head.
    I must've spent at least 6 or 7 hours making the cockpit canopy, trying to get it right, but it's a tremendously strange shape to get perfect (or at least that's what I found)
    I detailed the interior ceiling as much as I dare to mould, and then began creating the new styrene head, using the wooden piece as both a forming buck and a prototype. I'm not very keen on 'skinning' the wood pieces with styrene as it's just as time consuming as building entirely from sheet plastic.
    Regardless, stay tuned for more.

    20826682756_0fee80587d_c.jpg

    20666227099_9e0a415e16_c.jpg

    20664918060_a762d3f811_c.jpg

    20843394502_0405508e6e_c.jpg

    20843393602_60b70b722f_c.jpg

    20852995395_d34232a967_c.jpg

    20826707356_2f87544785_c.jpg


    20826682756_0fee80587d_c.jpg

    20666227099_9e0a415e16_c.jpg

    20664918060_a762d3f811_c.jpg

    20843394502_0405508e6e_c.jpg

    20843393602_60b70b722f_c.jpg

    20852995395_d34232a967_c.jpg

    20826707356_2f87544785_c.jpg
     
    Last edited by a moderator: Nov 9, 2018
  16. blakeh1

    blakeh1 Sr Member

    Trophy Points:
    2,415
    Nice progress
     
  17. ILMwannabe

    ILMwannabe Active Member

    Trophy Points:
    341
    Wow! Fantastic!
     
  18. Vacformedhero

    Vacformedhero Sr Member

    Trophy Points:
    1,427
    I'd love to know how you get your plastic so clean when finished, your canopy looks almost moulded
     
    Haystack Hair likes this.
  19. Haystack Hair

    Haystack Hair Sr Member

    Trophy Points:
    1,990
    Just sandpaper in different grits, and a LOT of patience!
     
    Vacformedhero likes this.
  20. Gunpowder

    Gunpowder Well-Known Member

    Trophy Points:
    846
    Anymore progress on this please
     
  21. rbeach84

    rbeach84 Sr Member

    Trophy Points:
    1,406
    Yes, please share when you can!
    R/ Robert
     
    Haystack Hair likes this.
  22. Haystack Hair

    Haystack Hair Sr Member

    Trophy Points:
    1,990
    Apologies for the lack of updates, I haven't been feeling too great this month.
    I realised that the body was way too tall, so I took it apart and cut away a good 6-8mm. Looking much better

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]
     
    knnyjay, Vacformedhero and TazMan2000 like this.
  23. jake88

    jake88 Sr Member

    Trophy Points:
    1,085
    Beautiful!
     
  24. Gunpowder

    Gunpowder Well-Known Member

    Trophy Points:
    846
    I love it , i want one!
     
  25. Haystack Hair

    Haystack Hair Sr Member

    Trophy Points:
    1,990
    Well I accidentally ruined my original cockpit master while I was trying to adjust the shape a little.
    Oh well! The new one is looking better, sleeker than the original anyway so it's not the end of the world.
    Still needs a lot of work though!

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]
     
  26. bwize

    bwize Well-Known Member

    Trophy Points:
    815
    WOW! Your scratch building skills are legendary. Great job!
     
  27. RKS

    RKS Active Member

    Trophy Points:
    341
    Regarding the last cockpit cover picture: probably I'm criticising a work in progress but the side windows look arched at the top and bottom. Was it like that on the studio model?
     
  28. Haystack Hair

    Haystack Hair Sr Member

    Trophy Points:
    1,990
    No you're quite right, but it's to do with the curvature angle. I believe the original models' cockpits were vacuum-formed, but as I'm working in flat sheet I'm thinking about the angels as I go along, once the windows have been filed and planed with a scalpel they should look spot on :)
     
  29. jake88

    jake88 Sr Member

    Trophy Points:
    1,085
    Looks so so great HH! So good!
     
  30. Haystack Hair

    Haystack Hair Sr Member

    Trophy Points:
    1,990
    Continuing on with the master pattern;


    I started to build the cockpit head today,
    it needs more shaping and curving but it's well on the way to how I want it to look.
    The Milliput on the inside of the lower hull is for the missile tubes; I roughly cut their shape out and I plan to drill proper tubes for them-
    hopefully they'll cast okay once I've made the moulds

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]
     
    knnyjay and Astro like this.
  31. TheNylonGag

    TheNylonGag Well-Known Member Gone but not forgotten.

    Trophy Points:
    935
    The Man HH

    The friggin Man

    This is inspiring my friend

    Gag
     
    Haystack Hair likes this.
  32. rbeach84

    rbeach84 Sr Member

    Trophy Points:
    1,406
    I just realized that I didn't have good 'vetted' basic dimensions (length & wingspan) to use when interpreting the various references I have (including Matteo's, which don't have a scale on them other than 'print at 100%' - yikes!) Anyone have something for this (either ILM model size or "real" size, I'm game either way...)

    Thanks again for the inspiration, Hair!
    Regards, Robert
     
  33. rbeach84

    rbeach84 Sr Member

    Trophy Points:
    1,406
    Although working from another model kit for this kind of documentation is usually a dicey method, I've decided to use the Bandai kit as a reference, given their proven accuracy. It also helps that the instruction sheets include some good plan views to help scale out my own working drawings.

    Haystack, awaiting further progress in the new year.

    Regards, Robert
     
    Haystack Hair likes this.

Share This Page