Han ANH Hensoldt Scope / MG81 flash hider

[Mr_Sparkle]

Update:
Got it stripped down... The mounts, I figured out, were soldered on and came off easily with a torch. Then just dismantled the adjustment knob assembly to allow the focus ring to slide off. Sanded the little bit of remaining solder off and its ready to get reblued.

So I've managed to get ahold of a real Hensoldt Wetzlar Ziel Dialyt 3x scope but I'm having trouble getting the scope mounts off. Its almost like they were molded as part of the scope tube but I know that they weren't. I can't see screws or any other mechanical mounting device. Even looking inside the scope tube there doesn't appear to be anything. The only thing I can figure is that they are held on with magic.

Anyone with a real hensoldt have a similar mount/issue? Anyone seen anything similar?

A couple of pics to illustrate:

 

[superjedi]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(creiff @ Apr 6 2007, 09:43 AM) [snapback]1456735[/snapback]</div>

. . . The only thing I can figure is that they are held on with magic.

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Have you tried some magic remover? :lol

Sorry I don't actually have any practical advice. This just struck me as funny.

 

[Mr_Sparkle]

Well... a little poking around them with some dental tools revealed some really soft metal in there. I figured it must be solder so I took a torch to the end of the scope and BLAPO off they came without a fuss. Just a little solder cleanup and some rebluing and it'll be basically a brand new scope.

Awesome.

Now anybody know where I can get an accurate MG81 flash hider?

 

[bobasfett]

I'm in the same boat Chris. Make sure you find two flash hiders. =)

 

[Stormy320]

You guys that find these things...ARgghh...been looking for a Greedo Compac for years.

 

[Mr_Sparkle]

I think we would need more than 2 to cover everyone that wants one... I've got pretty good 3D files for one but without a real one to get measurements from I wouldn't want to do a run.

I've got shops that could make them for us all but until I get a real one, accurate dimensions, or a completely accurate file from someone else that I could check stuff against I don't think it makes sense.

Anyone know what happened to the project that was in progress a while back?


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(bobasfett @ Apr 6 2007, 06:26 PM) [snapback]1457013[/snapback]</div>

I'm in the same boat Chris. Make sure you find two flash hiders. =)
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[OdiWan72]

This project died, because the member who did all the drawings was Guy Raz aka Gabe aka proprunner.

I was soooo hoping for a ru nof flashhiders and accurate mounts :cry

BD also had a real hider but never proceeded with his drawings since proprunner was already managing it.

BTW: GREAT scope Chris


Markus

 

[Lan-Ed-Tul]

i read that a ways back. so im guessing that since then, noones picked up the reins and decided to make the greedo killer type flash hiders?


im tryin to get a Greedo Killer type blaster done. all i have so far, is the Denix mauser pistol, and a REAL grease gun flash hider. i got that, cuz at the time, i had read around and seen that was the flash they used, but after getting it, i can see its not exactly right, the cone is good, but the base, isnt right.

 

[lonepigeon]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Lan-Ed-Tul @ Apr 7 2007, 03:03 AM) [snapback]1457240[/snapback]</div>

i read that a ways back. so im guessing that since then, noones picked up the reins and decided to make the greedo killer type flash hiders?


im tryin to get a Greedo Killer type blaster done. all i have so far, is the Denix mauser pistol, and a REAL grease gun flash hider. i got that, cuz at the time, i had read around and seen that was the flash they used, but after getting it, i can see its not exactly right, the cone is good, but the base, isnt right.
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The "Greedo Killer" is a different gun and hider altogether.
Sounds like you bought a M3 flash hider for a M1 Carbine.
The correct flash hider for a GK is a M9 flash hider for the M3 "Grease Gun".
http://www.partsofsw.com/dl44sw_alt.htm

Someone on PropCircle had picked up the failed MG81 flash hider project after the whole Prop Runner debacle, but it seems that the project is dead again.
Anyone know what happened to the second attempt?

 

[Lan-Ed-Tul]

thats what i got, it was the M9 for a Grease gun. i found it for 20 bucks online. it had the clamp on the base, but i have seen a few others, that look different than that on a GK blaster.

ive seen the GK's flash hider with the series of holes drilled in it, and a different type of base to it. so im not sure whats right. MR made theirs with the holes and a beefier lookin base that had a revolvers notches look to it.

 

[Mr_Sparkle]

Markus,
I would love to do new 3D files for the flash hiders (even the scope mount) and get them made... Does anyone have good dimensions on the MG81 piece? With a few dimensions and the reference I have I could be done with the files in no time.

The Han blaster along with the Stormtrooper blaster, Bowcaster and a couple sabers are really the pieces that got me into all of this prop mess in the first place. It would be great to add an accurate Han ANH blaster to the inventory.




<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(OdiWan72 @ Apr 7 2007, 02:14 AM) [snapback]1457228[/snapback]</div>

I was soooo hoping for a ru nof flashhiders and accurate mounts :cry

BD also had a real hider but never proceeded with his drawings since proprunner was already managing it.

Markus
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[Hirohawa]

I would be down for one if there was a flash hider run.

 

[Mr_Sparkle]

Looks like a derivative of the original run may still be happening...

keeping my fingers crossed.

 

[lonepigeon]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Lan-Ed-Tul @ Apr 7 2007, 07:30 AM) [snapback]1457285[/snapback]</div>

thats what i got, it was the M9 for a Grease gun. i found it for 20 bucks online. it had the clamp on the base, but i have seen a few others, that look different than that on a GK blaster.

ive seen the GK's flash hider with the series of holes drilled in it, and a different type of base to it. so im not sure whats right. MR made theirs with the holes and a beefier lookin base that had a revolvers notches look to it.
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Sounds like you have your prop terms mixed up.

This is the gun commonly referred to as the Greedo Killer:
http://www.partsofsw.com/dl44sw_alt.htm

This thread is discussing the Hero prop (the same version MR replicated).
See here:
http://www.partsofsw.com/dl44sw.htm

That propsummit thread is discussing the same run of the MG81 flash hiders that was on propcircle.
Hopefully it happens.

 

[Lan-Ed-Tul]

when i bought the flash hider, it was stated as being the flash hider from a grease gun, and i looked at the flash hiders from a grease gun.

the flash i GOT is the one you show the link to for a GK blaster.

i know your talkin bout the MR version. thats the ones i see quite a bit of around.

so i guess i do have the right flash for the version GK i want to make.

if thats the case, i guess i just have to figure out how it mounts on there.

because the attachment end, is larger than the barrel is.

 

[Combat Gerbil]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Lan-Ed-Tul @ Apr 8 2007, 01:33 PM) [snapback]1457780[/snapback]</div>

when i bought the flash hider, it was stated as being the flash hider from a grease gun, and i looked at the flash hiders from a grease gun.

the flash i GOT is the one you show the link to for a GK blaster.

i know your talkin bout the MR version. thats the ones i see quite a bit of around.

so i guess i do have the right flash for the version GK i want to make.

if thats the case, i guess i just have to figure out how it mounts on there.

because the attachment end, is larger than the barrel is.
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Yes you have the Flashider for the GK..but the Hensoldt Wetzlar Ziel Dialyt 3x scope is for the Hero version NOT the GK. You need a different scope for the GK.

 

[DL 44 Blaster]

Didn't MR's latest Elite ANH Solo blaster use the information that Guy Raz "prop runner" provided with his dadoed scope mount, and MG81 flash suppressor? I thought it was one of the latest discoveries at the time to proceed with another MR ANH Solo blaster.

Did I dream this? I thought that he was working with MR on the development of this blaster prior to the public "discovery" on the RPF of the sockpuppeting.

 

[Mr_Sparkle]

I think you are right but the Flash hider on the MR blaster isn't the same as the real piece due to the insides of the flash hider being modified to allow either the offset version of the flash hider or centered on the barrel. The scope mount looks awfully close. I'm not sure, though, if he tweaked his files after releasing them to MR for production.

Here is a comparrison pic of the cross sections of different flash hiders that have been around. I'm not sure of exact dates on them but I do believe the top image is the most accurate. Anyone have any other images from when this project was taking shape?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DL 44 Blaster @ Apr 8 2007, 08:02 AM) [snapback]1457786[/snapback]</div>

Didn't MR's latest Elite ANH Solo blaster use the information that Guy Raz "prop runner" provided with his dadoed scope mount, and MG81 flash suppressor? I thought it was one of the latest discoveries at the time to proceed with another MR ANH Solo blaster.

Did I dream this? I thought that he was working with MR on the development of this blaster prior to the public "discovery" on the RPF of the sockpuppeting.
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[bobasfett]

Chris....I believe the top photo was the most recent that Guy posted. The tell is the tapered cone cross section which was found from the original he was able to get his hands on. IIRC, he had a prototype completed and had an issue with the machinist's methods on the rear grooves. They were supposed to be more parabolic at the tips instead of circular. Very correctible and I thought he had another being done to spec but alas, the Raz Reveal happened and nothing was ever updated.

This is one project I'd like to see finished correctly.