Halliwax's first GRAFLEX build

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  1. halliwax

    halliwax Legendary Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    well gang, its about time i post about my little graflex build. first i have to thank all my friends who ive made threw this time on therpf. if it wasnt for Chaim(@Sym-cha), Andy (@mugatu), Tom (@thd9791) and Roy (@Roygilsing) this build wouldn't have happen. You guys have welcomed me with open arms and really helped with my questions and given me great tutorials on how to tackle this project, and I thank you for that!

    i ended up scoring a replica graflex out of the junkyard section awhile back. i noticed that with this replica the bunny ears has a rivit and not a screw like other replicas and that was a selling point for me. the only down side is the bottom of the graflex replica has 2 holes drilled into it from the run. i figured the original owner drilled the holes in the wrong places and ended up getting rid of it to get a new one. later on i found this same replica on ebay! same box, same 2 holes drill in the bottom, and same red buttons!

    the red buttons come in pieces, there is no spring in them, the run owner used crumbled up pieces of paper to make the button "functional" i will fix this in a few weeks, im just looking for old flash lights or old broken electronics i have sitting around the house where i can rip out there springs that hold the batteries in... anyway heres some photos of
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    heres the replica with gino grips, and one of toms old bus boards
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    i have clamped the replica together and placed Roys kobold ontop of the 2 hole, i can cover the 2 holes with the kobold and keep it in line with the clamp so im not longer wondered about the kobold not lining up with the clamp

    I have been super busy with real world stuff, work, volunteer work, political campaigning. so i work roughly a hour or 2 a night on my models/replicas. the past couple of nights i started cracking away with the grips. i bought the same miter box you can see in toms (thd9791) build threads. the miter box works amazing, and i got it from walmart.com dirt cheap. other places have it for almost double the price, walmart at the time also included free shipping for me. heres a link to the miter box i used.

    http://www.walmart.com/ip/24547386?...42560272&wl4=&wl5=pla&wl6=78881173472&veh=sem

    you can find the same thing on ebay and other sites but when u add in shipping its more then what walmart sells it for. plus for some reason if it came in broken or what not walmart is 3 minutes from my house so i could return it.

    speaking of walmart the other night my girl and i were shopping there and i can to pick up some car cleaning products, the isle beside it is home improvement section so i checked it out. i found this file set for dirt cheap and knew i needed smaller files to get into the 8mm cut outs of the t-tracks so i picked it up for 4 bucks!

    http://www.walmart.com/ip/Ultra-Steel-Needle-File-Set-with-Case-6pc/17190609

    i highly recommend these files, they were dirt cheap, came in a great case and work very well!! now on to come picture sharing

    i dont have a work bench right now, but in the process of saving up for one, so right now im working on alittle table. heres what my work area consists of right now, kinda a joke BUT it works! ;)

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    believe it or not but this black table sucks for light... i ended up bringing home some Azek from work, its white plastic trim boards we use on many of the homes we build. they never rot so its a great seller.. plus they are a bright white so it helps seeing the black t-tracks good

    the "my little pony" pencil is great for marking the cut marks on the tracks. you can erase the pencil mark simply with your finger

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    i ended up buying Roys ESB kit, which is a amazing kit! his grips are also amazing. i choose to use his grips over ginos because i like the shape better and also they cut very very smooth.

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    alittle trick i use it blue painters tape. i cut the grips very slowly and afraid to cut the surface of the track, so the blue tape gives me alittle extra security plus once u hit the tape it makes a different sound, kinda like a alarm " WAKE UP DAN, TOO FAR!!!" luckily i havent activated that alarm yet! lol again i love this little miter box

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    once i cut all 6 tracks i broke out that little file and went to work, i love this dang little set, and for 4 bucks! if they dull too fast ill go buy another set, you cant beat it for the price. the only thing that bothers me in the color difference when filing.. i noticed if i attached the smallest file, and made circle motions while filing i can get the black color back. Tom also shared his trick on bringing them back to black and im going to attempt that

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    here you can really see the color change, below is the picture after the circle motions

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    my tracks all done
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    progress is always slow with me because i dont have too much free time right now, and ive been working on a HUGE project for a long time now so that get most of my attention. these sabers are what i use to wait for other part runs to come threw, theres alittle sneak peak of the big project im on

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    a special thanks to all my RPF friends who have helped me with the saber stuff, i really appreciate your help and look forward to seeing your threads everyday. take care everyone, craft on!

    -danny
     
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  2. Luke the Belter

    Luke the Belter Well-Known Member

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    Yeah a Graflex build...and an ESB one...my waiting with this build will pay out. So I can gather all the information I need :thumbsup

    Great looking Graflex so far. I have two of these red buttons, too. I screwed them in place with one of those glass eye springs underneath. These are really tough and the button isn't pushed too easy or too far inside.

    Keep up with your progress and lots of pictures ;)
     
  3. thd9791

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    That's a beautiful graflex! Very nice work on those grips, cleanest I've seen yet lol I'll be following this with great interest
     
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  4. roygilsing

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    Hey Danny,
    I'm glad I could have been of help. Great work on cutting those grooves in the T-tracks and good choice on which ones to use!

    Roy
     
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  5. Panaflex

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    Super happy for you Dan. I know you've been waiting on this for a long time. Glad to see it all coming together.
    Waiting to see more!
     
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  6. Wavey

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    Ya know what I need, of course.... I need one of them there mini miter boxes!

    Why in two Suns had I not thought of this before!?!! lol

    Cheers Hal.
     
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  7. mugatu

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    Danny,

    As Tom and Roy mentioned, your grips look great. It's the best first-time grip cutting/filing I've ever seen. Don't ask Roy how many T Tracks I've ordered from him LOL!
    Great thread man and can't wait to check out the progress on your saber.

    And BTW, love the very last pic...I had no idea you were working on that!
     
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  8. James Kenobi 1138

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    That is a Larbel Graflex. You can tell from the PB written on the endcap. Plus he just stuffed the red buttons with paper towels.

    If you can find a washer that will fit inside and a spring that fits too you can use a c-clip retention ring to hold it all inside and then the button will be able to be pressed and spring back.
     
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  9. Sym-Cha

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    Hey Danny ... great work in progress ... curious to see your end result ... Roy has seen most of G R A F L E X flashguns, which are still bare without any of the many different type of T-tracks available to me alu-metal, plastic Gino's and Saberfreak's, rubber and real vintage metal ... I bet you're done before I even start ... I truly love that so many saber's and blasters enjoy having Roy's T-tracks, which is based on my initial sketch.

    For those of you still looking to purchase a real vintage G R A F L E X . . . make certain after arrival to cleanse the tube thoroughly before adding lightsaber greeblies and T-tracks, because you can never know for sure where that vintage flashgun has been in it's sometimes over 60 years of existence, by the looks of this found picture courtesy of an ebay 4x5 negative auction being sold under : '1940s photo Negative Bathroom Urinal Graflex Camera NAVY PHOTOGRAPHER Sailor' :

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    Chaim

    P.S. Is your inbox full Danny? ... I send you a PM yesterday ;)
     
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  10. garymorris

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    COOL! what an awesome find!
     
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  11. halliwax

    halliwax Legendary Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    hey gang sorry for the late reply. my life hasnt been easy the past couple of days, we got some bad news about 1 of our dogs and its been tough... my familys world has been fliped upside down, life threw us a few curve balls (did i use the right threw? through?) anyway here we go with replies and thank yous


    wow thanks tom, you have built so many great graflexs, those words coming from you really builds my self esteem!

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    again coming from you roy, it really makes me feel good knowing i passed the test of track cutting. i dont know if i can take all the credit because your products are the best!

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    there are so many ESB graflex builds out there i felt weird starting my own. i figured if i link my thread with the tools i used maybe it will help the next guy in line? i came up with alittle way of making the buttons functional but i dont know if i will have the time to post that tonight, but keep an eye out! its a pretty inexpensive and not many tools required way of doing it

    thank you for the kind words

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    thank you kind sir! i was really anxious about doing this, you know doing it myself and putting it on my wall is the easy part. having these guys approvals is the big deal to me, thats why im so happy they all like my ttracks, i get their approval, that gives me the " yes, im excepted!" peace of mind lol

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    oh my god, that miter box is awesome!! i tell ya what, whats really nice is the mini table saw roy has. if i had that mini table saw i would have made a jig for the ttrack to sit in upside down and use that to cut the notch in it. i do have my big table saw i use for every day cutting but i dont have a blade with fine enough teeth... but his mini table saw is perfect for this!

    i highly recommend the aluminum miter box, it also has a notch on the side to hook on the side of the table to give it a firm foundation for cutting. which really isnt need when using roys tracks, they cut so smooth compared to "others"
     
  12. halliwax

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    Andy you dont know how good it feels getting your approval. thanks so much for the kind words, it does take me some time to get them done. but i feel once the job is over they came out pretty good. and with all your approvals it really makes me feel satisfied. i've been talking and watching you guys do this for so long its great to be accepted!

    yes andy r2 is a kind secret i've kept from here. though i dont have a build thread yet on astromech i do have the same name, im still learning every day over there, its a whole new world... and im collecting parts every week, there sure is allot of parts... it seems never ending. but im building him to help me do fund raisers, my mother is a pretty big dealer in town for our veterans and cancer walks. i think it would be real cool for people to sponsor R2 in the walks , bring 3-4 extra 12v batteries and i think he could keep up with me! lol

    hey! i will be posting "alil' som'thin som'thin" in your yoda saber thread, keep an eye out!!
     
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  13. halliwax

    halliwax Legendary Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    CHAIM my main man! thanks so much for your guidance through this whole thing (did i use the right through?lol) i've had to drive you crazy with PM's. for everyone who doesn't know i must PM chaim 2, 3 times a week with random graflex questions. i wouldn't have got this graflex replica if it wasn't for you. and i truly appreciate all your help and putting up with all my novice questions, i defiantly wouldnt have tackle this if you didnt tell me i could do it. thanks so much!
     
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  14. mortifactor

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    Roy must think I'm building several sabers, but really I just kept ordering ANH t-track to make up for the grips I've ruined with the dremel haha
     
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  15. mugatu

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    Danny, I was serious about your T Tracks. None of the ones I've worked on have come out that well. And I've honestly done like four sets. I feel like I may stick to the Luke ANH from here on out so that I don't have to do the notches anymore haha.

    I can't wait to see how you handle the beer tab (if you are taking it out). My Luke ESB has cuts in the tube by the rivet hole because I used wire cutting pliers to remove it. Talk about a rookie mistake! It can't even be passed off as "weathering". I have to tell people that Luke did the same thing first when he was updating his ANH to the ESB version.
     
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  16. matty matt

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    Sorry about the string of bad luck. Life can sure suck sometimes. But your Graflex most definitely does NOT suck. Awesome work!
     
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  17. mugatu

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    Yeah, tell me about it. Roy probably has four or five envelopes already filled out with my address, just waiting on his desk! It always starts out so promising too, and then the impatience swells up and the next thing I know, I'm on wannawanga again.
     
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  18. thd9791

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    I hope these are just speed bumps man. Chin up, stay strong.


    Also, historically, having a Larbel is pretty flipping sweet. Your replica will be more accurate than the ones Larbel made!
     
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  19. Usagi Pilgrim

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    I totally feel your pain on the grips.

    I can't see well, & botched my first set from Roy. Finally gave up & got Andy to cut my second set. I was really pleased with how they turned out, so don't believe him when he says he's not good at it.:D:thumbsup
     
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  21. scarf man

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    What exactly is your question regarding the T-track? We know what T-track is generally used for, and where it likely came from.
     
  22. roygilsing

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    What's the source of the profiles. They must have had a lot of it for all the props they've used it for. I wonder where they got it from. If it was cabinet door sliders, why nobody ever found it?
     
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  23. scarf man

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    I'll ask a more general question, like "what real world item were the grips on the graflex lightsaber made from?" I wouldn't want to lead the discussion in any way.
    Roger may not be familiar with the terms we use, and he may just remember what he got the grip material off of.
     
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  24. roygilsing

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    Please do!
     
  25. scarf man

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    I just edited my original post on reddit.
     
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  26. roygilsing

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    (Can you send us a link to your post?)
    Sorry, just noticed you just did!
     
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  27. scarf man

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    It's the top post in my user comments list (the link I provided above). That is the only way I know how to link directly to what I posted, or you can see my post if you scroll down a bit in the AMA thread.

    I'm fairly new to reddit, so if there is another way please enlighten me.

    No more hijacking of Halliwas's thread, I'll reply in this thread. http://www.therpf.com/showthread.php?t=241284
     
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    i don't mind it at all, I'm dying to read his reply to ur reddit question!!
     
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    thanks so much buddy, like I've said. I've watched and looked up to all you guys on here. you don't know how good it feels hearing all these great comments. i really appreciate it, if it wasn't for all of you and your trails and errors i wouldn't have gotten it done this easy, and appreciate all your help and information you have all posted publicly.

    as for the beer tab i think she's staying for now, this graflex will be a TFA tribute, I'm pretty sure the beer tab is in the trailer, if it isn't then i plan on removing it like i the way i am going to remove my slide button on the bolsey. BIG file on the inside and file away the inside rivet until it falls out.

    i want to get another replica (probably from roman) and due a ESB tribute, with jagged edge tracks and dirty as all hell lol
     
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  32. scarf man

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    You have to be a member of reddit to vote. If you are already a member, click the rebel symbol to the left of the post to up vote.
     
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  33. roygilsing

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    OMG! 2 weeks Mr. Christian already wrote this on reddit:
    http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/38qmu6/i_am_roger_christian_oscarwinning_star_wars_set/crx42fo

    "..And there were these flash-handles.From an old press camera called a Graflex.
    And I pulled one out, and just said "Oh my goodness, this is it."
    And I bought the lot, raced back to the studios - and my set decorating room was FILLED with shelves of any bit of junk I found that was interesting, it was like a magpie's nest, and I had some rubber draft-excluder that was in T-shape, which I stuck on the Sterling sub-machine guns for the Stormtrooper weapons, and I stuck that to make it into a handle - I stuck seven of them around the end of it.
    And I had an old calculator that I'd broken down, and I found a little strip of bubbles, like lenses, and those I stuck into the old grip of this flash-handle."

    Really? Rubber?
    Could it be this? Mini Cooper profile?
    http://www.minimania.com/part/EAM8531/Draft-Excluder-Left-Hand-Mini-Sliding-Window-Mini--Mini-Cooper

    -Roy
     
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  34. mortifactor

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    Well *, lets get somebody's delorean and go pick some up!
     
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  35. halliwax

    halliwax Legendary Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    I can arrange that ;)

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    rubber track?!?! unbelievable! this is epic!!


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  36. RexKramer

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    Roy, so this was softer rubber?

    PS, got your package in the mail, thanks!
     
  37. roygilsing

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    Well, rubber is rubber and plastic is plastic. But based on all the pictures from genuine T-tracks and people who held genuine props in their hands, I can't believe it's rubber. Unless the rubber hardened and became brittle. Very confusing. I'm planning on investigating that Mini Cooper profile at a local vintage English car repair shop soon I hope!
     
  38. scarf man

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    For the love of God, no one breathe a word of this to the Mini restoration community, or we will all pay through the nose for this stuff.
     
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  39. roygilsing

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    or be quick enough! But hey, it's only a guess. First let's check it!
     
  40. scarf man

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    Lets check it out yes, but while shutting up about Star Wars.
     
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    Did he say the excluder was from a mini cooper or something? Or did Roy just find some from a car in that era... I'm really curious.. the material doesn't match up with the track in the archives
     
  42. roygilsing

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    The Mini Cooper draft excluder was just a suggestion from me. It was a result from a quick search and it looks like it and it's very English!
     
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    oh man I'm stuck at work and this news comes out!!! I just read real quick this morning

    I have never heard the term "draft excluder" because, we just call them weather gaskets so it took me awhile for it to click!

    Mini Cooper is a great idea, others would be MG, renaults, BMW all common vehicles in UK at that time

    once I get home tonight ( which won't be until almost midnight ...sigh... ) I'm going on a mad hunt!!


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  44. scarf man

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    If this is a British Leyland part, I suspect there were more used in Star Wars than were actually put in vehicles. :lol
     
  45. halliwax

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    oh my god the anxiety!! now this * tapatalk app is locking up!!


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  46. mugatu

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    Couldn't it be that he used rubber excluder but as production began it was less than ideal for repeat handling and thus either casts were made or similar alternatives were sought? I thought I recalled Hamill saying his hand was cut or pinched by the grips* because at one point they were metal?

    *This would obviously make Hamill's reference not be during ANH since he was not dueling anyone in that film.
     
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  48. halliwax

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    lol I've restored the entire car, no T shape weather striping there


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    one thing I just doubled check was he didn't say it was "automotive" draft excluder.

    being in the construction field I have worked installing many doors and windows and the t tracks being draft excluders ( or how I say weather stripping) for doors and windows makes perfect sense to me now, hear me out

    if we place a t track down on the table with the center section facing up, just like how it sits on the graflex.

    now with it sitting on the table like that, the center section point up, fits into the grooves of the frame of the window. the weather stripping fits I between the actual frame and window frame.

    now here's another reason why I say it's window weather stripping...

    still imagine the track sitting down on the table like I've said before, the under side of the track as that little half moon arch in it. that is to releave pressure while in between the window and window frame. it acts as a vacuum less channel allowing the window to move up and down. if there was no arch there the window would get stuck

    I can get into further detail tonight once in home and on a computer this phone typing sucks

    being in the automotive trade as well ( dad builds British race cars) I've never seen t shaped weathering stripping, doesn't mean it doesn't exisit, I just see it more feasible being window or door weather stripping


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