Great things from ANH that just disappeared

Laspector

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Yeah yeah I know, first thoughts are "good characters, great script" etc. I agree with all that, but that is not what I am talking about here. There were several incredibly cool things and/or certain character triaits in the first Star Wars movie that just totally disappeared after that film. How about:

--Gravity wells.. Remember the very first time you saw the Tie fighter attack during the Escape from the Death Star sequence? Luke and Han go up/down that ladder and all of a sudden up and down completely change direction!! Seeing that in 1977 was just so feaking cool (and unexpected)! Why was this never used again? The perfect place would 've been during the DS attack in Jedi...but nope...totally cool thing just disregarded....Is the Falcon the only ship in the galaxy that has this?

--Split wings..I don't think that after ANH we ever saw an X-wing actually open its wings again, did we? They were either open or closed, period. Never saw the actual opening again. This was one of the shots in the original cut that I liked much better than the Special Editions. In the original the shot itself was specifically designed it emphasize nothing but the wings splitting apart. Not only that, but they split in sequence so if your mind didn't catch it on the first time, it was repeated (all within just a second or two, granted) 3 or 4 more times so it really sunk in!! In the SE shot your eyes are more focused of just the grandeur of the ships flying through space--the wing split is secondary.

--Radio Talk.. In ANH radio talk is presented better. In the DS attack whenever the shot was of a pilot in his own cockpit ,yet you were hearing another pilot talk, the communication was augmented. This never happens again throughout the entire trilogy. It really felt like a WW2 documentary, because thats the way communications really sound--slightly garbled over your own headset. A real touch of realism lost during the rest of the saga.

--Droid prejudice.. This is shown the most in the Cantina sequence--"we don't serve their kind here!" At this point it seems like such an everyday thing Luke doesn't even think much about it. He simply complies and tells 3P0 to go on back outside..Why is there prejudice against droids? This could have been a great story point, yet it is totally forgotten. The only hints we see from that point on is that we get the idea that Han doesn't care for C3P0 very much. But this just seems to be a personal thing and not a wide discrimination against droids in general.

There are two more I have, but they really don't fit into the parameters I defined...

Unknown Aliens.. We never find out what Jawas or Sandpeople look like. What we see of Sandpeople is not their faces, it is a wrapping of cloth of some kind augmented with some kind of metal pipes or whatever. Jawas, are those yellow lights their real eyes? What would you actually see if one took his hood off?

And lastly--Suspense.. The trench run.. This entire sequence is geared and edited for suspense. That is what made is so incredibly great!!...Can you think of any other time in the entire saga where there is any actual suspense? The only two others I can think of is maybe in Empire as Luke is hanging upside down in the ice cave and maybe a touch of suspense when he is inside the tree/cave on Dagobah. But both of those are only seconds long, no comparison to the 15 minutes of the trench run.

Anyway, these were just a few thoughts I had the other day as I was watching ANH for the umpteenth zillion time. Your thoughts? Any other things you can think of that were completely disregarded after the first movie?
 
I Noticed droid to droid prejudice in ESB, and ROTS, but yeah, human to droid is gone, and after the Clone Wars you'd think it'd be rampant. I think the Opening of ROTS with the start of the Pounding War Drums, emulating a heartbeat, and Obi and Ani weaving through the space battle to get to the command ship to rate just below the trench run for having me squirming in my seat.
 
X and B-wings deploy their S-foils in ROTJ.

The radio talk is "filtered" in ROTJ, just not as garbled as in some of the ANH mixes.

Footage of rebels using the Falcon's guns was shot for ROTJ but not used.
 
Remember the very first time you saw the Tie fighter attack during the Escape from the Death Star sequence? Luke and Han go up/down that ladder and all of a sudden up and down completely change direction!! Seeing that in 1977 was just so feaking cool (and unexpected)! Why was this never used again? The perfect place would 've been during the DS attack in Jedi...but nope...totally cool thing just disregarded....Is the Falcon the only ship in the galaxy that has this?
Falcon gunners were shot for the ROTJ, as were several shots of gunners running around inside the Millenium Falcon, but these shots were omitted in the final cut. They are available on the BluRay edition as extras.

I would like to see this effect more in the Sequel Trilogy ...

--Split wings..I don't think that after ANH we ever saw an X-wing actually open its wings again, did we?
The attack on DS2 had a sequence that mirrored that in ANH. Not just X-wings, but also B-wings opened their wings.

I agree with the ANH shot being better in the original than the SE.
 
Vests. Seems like everyone in Mos Eisley wore vests. John Mollo's millitaristic costume style really seemed to stand out. Not everyone was robed or grungy. There were some really sharp dressers at the spaceport.
 
Radio Talk.. In ANH radio talk is presented better. In the DS attack whenever the shot was of a pilot in his own cockpit ,yet you were hearing another pilot talk, the communication was augmented. This never happens again throughout the entire trilogy. It really felt like a WW2 documentary, because thats the way communications really sound--slightly garbled over your own headset. A real touch of realism lost during the rest of the saga.

Glad you mentioned that one. I thought of it the other day, when I was watching an old Adam-12 episode. An officer was in trouble, but his radio broadcast was cut off. To identify the officer, they ran a radio 'roll call' of all cars and motorcycles and such to identify who made the call. The variation in broadcast quality and distortions of the signals heard was extremely realistic and added a lot to the sequence. It did make me think of Star Wars and its radio distortions!
 
And lastly--Suspense.. The trench run.. This entire sequence is geared and edited for suspense. That is what made is so incredibly great!!...Can you think of any other time in the entire saga where there is any actual suspense? The only two others I can think of is maybe in Empire as Luke is hanging upside down in the ice cave and maybe a touch of suspense when he is inside the tree/cave on Dagobah. But both of those are only seconds long, no comparison to the 15 minutes of the trench run.

I don't know, I thought the duel in ESB was pretty suspenseful. Especially after Luke is disarmed and cornered. Try to imagine a time when you didn't know what is going to happen while watching the film and then tell me that's not suspenseful.

But true, nothing quite ratchets up the tension like the 15 minute buildup of the trench run.
 
X and B-wings deploy their S-foils in ROTJ.

The radio talk is "filtered" in ROTJ, just not as garbled as in some of the ANH mixes.

Footage of rebels using the Falcon's guns was shot for ROTJ but not used.

Correct. The footage is on the blu-ray extra features, along with rebel soldiers running through the cramped Falcon hallways. They rebuilt the gunner chairs, which was really "neat" to see.
 
We never saw the targeting screens in the X-wIngs or Tie fighters after the first movie.

Excellent point!! I forgot about that one. Those added a lot to the realism. It's like they thought "well, they were only used in the first one to emphasize the point of only being able to hit the target using the Force." If so, bad call.

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Stormtroopers talk in ANH with static burst. In ROTJ the voice is clear. In ESB they never talk...

Another good one!!
 
Speaking of targeting computers, how about great things that persisted but shouldn't have?

The targeting computer sound is used for the X-Wing cockpit interiors in ESB and ROTJ, even though the targeting computer is not being used. It just got lumped in with other X-Wing sounds in the library, apparently not labeled specifically enough and got used generically.
 
The Stormtroopers in ANH had a musical theme/ motif. It was sort of "the Empire" theme. The Imperial March replaced it for Empire, but it's strange that it never got a quote in any other film. Would've been great for the Clone Army in AOTC/ROTS.

Also, I liked the rotoscope flashing added to the screen when the lightsabers clashed. There almost seemed to be a sizzling mist when they connected too.
 
I always felt that Lucas' intent for what Vader was (in relation to the Empire) changed from Star Wars to Empire. In Star Wars, he was more of a thug - kinda in the background in regards to the Empire's chain of command. It was obvious that Gov Tarkin was regarded higher than Vader. The Generals around the table in the Death Star (I feel) were regarded as "equals" in terms of rank as Vader. There is NO WAY Admiral Motti would have spoken as openly as he did to Vader in ESB. Yet, in Star Wars, he never hesitated to express his feelings towards Vader and the Force.

Personally, I like the shift in ESB. I don't know if Lucas intended this to happen after the destruction of the Death Star or if it was a shift in philosophy to make Vader second in command to the Emperor. I wonder if Lucas always intended the Emperor to be a Sith Lord or whether that evolved going into ESB.
 
The weathered/distressed/lived-in look of almost everything was a huge deal for me when I saw SW, and the glaring absence of same from the sequels cheesed me off.
 
...I liked the rotoscope flashing added to the screen when the lightsabers clashed. There almost seemed to be a sizzling mist when they connected too.

The "mist" was particles of the reflective coating coming off. Since they new they would be adding the rotoscoped glow anyway they didn't use the reflective coating in the sequels.

I really liked the saber animation in ANH, the flickering made them seem dangerous. The more neon like sabers of the prequels were dull by comparison.

*edit* Treadwell beat me to it.
 
I do remember how vader was not respected the same in ANH as he was in the following films. People were just sitting there making fun of him. Telling him how his sad devotion his ancent religion has not helped him conjour up the stolen data tapes, or given him clairvoyance enough to discover the location of the hidden rebal base. Granted he did force choke him right after that :p
 
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