Graflex Reborn

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  1. propmainiac

    propmainiac Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Just received my ebay purchase, and in the words of Luke Skywalker What a peice of junk!
    First of all the upper half is rusty, The clamp is a repro that has no tabs and has a GR on it. The bottom half is steel tubing and gives it good weight to it. The bulb release lever is missing and the pin that holds the bulb ears is not there. The pins beneath the red button are gone and it looks as if someone had dissasembled it at one time. It has two red buttons neither which are correct but it has the empire style grips and the empire d ring.
    Is this worth working on? Whats a good way to clean rust off the body, And wheres a good source for parts?
     
    Last edited: Jul 27, 2013
  2. jbeatle

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    Some pix would be helpful to better gauge it's condition. There are options for removing the rust, it just depends on how bad it is.

    Interesting that the clamp has "GR" on it. If I'm not mistaken there was a company called Graflex Reborn that was in the process of making replica flash guns and they stamped a GR on there clamps.

    As far as I know, they never shipped.
     
  3. Anakin Starkiller

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    So, I saw this on e-bay. Nothing there looks like it's original graflex parts. It's all Graflex Reborn stuff, which as a project from about 10 years ago to try to replicate the original graflex (the first of it's kind),

    I'd look at it this way. Graflex Reborn was sort of a landmark in Prop replica history. It was the first time a fan tried to replicate the original graflex. The project never went the whole way. But back in the day these were very sought after parts.

    To clean up the rust, you can use some rust remover and steel wool. Then you'll either have to plate the parts (which would be a pain). Or give them a few coats of clear coat paint so that they don't rust again.

    You can find replica parts easily enough here The Graflex Shop - Graflex Replacement Parts
    and here Graflex Parts - Saber Kit - The Ultimate Source for Saber Parts and Creation™

    If you want to replace the socket so that the prop can take a blade, PM me and I'll send you an aluminum graflex replica socket for free.

    -best

    Dan
     
  4. JediG60racer

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    Graflex Reborn still owes me money for never delivering a product I paid for. Grrrrr to them.
     
  5. Michael Bergeron

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    If it were me I'd use it as a relic saber, it seems like it would be too much effort to clean up properly. Use it as Anakin's saber as found by some gas miner on Bespin 100 years after the fact.
     
  6. Sym-Cha

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    Hi there,

    I own a Graflex Reborn Darth Vader ROTJ style and compared to a real graflex it still has a distinct metal odour compared to the non smelling real vintage graflex. Leave yours as is and go on your quest for a real
    vintage graflex, this can even be done on a budget ... all you need is patience and some determination
    to look for a good deal. Or if you have lots of money to spend then go place a WTB in the junkyard :D

    -Chaim
     
    Last edited: Dec 15, 2011
  7. propmainiac

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    Re: Junk Graflex

    Hello All

    Here are some pics of the Graflex
     
  8. jazzygeoffery

    jazzygeoffery Well-Known Member

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    Is that socket taken? i just started working on an anh saber :eek:
     
  9. propmainiac

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    HI thanks for the info. Sorry to hear some got burned by that project. If it is a repro then someone stripped it before a replaced the "guts" with what looks like original parts. I broke it all down and cleaned up as much as I could. The bulb socket looks very old. It has some parts broken off . The brass pins are very tarnished. Was able to clean off the rust with metal polish and fine steel wool. Not looking as hopeless as before. I peeled off the grips from the bottom half which appears to be steel. Used mineral spirits to remove the glue residue (very sticky stuff) and cleaned and polished it and rubbed it with a scotch brite pad to give it a more uniform finish. I have two red buttons both repros. Picked the best one and rummaged through some old stuff and found two glass eyes from previous saber builds. Gonna use one untill i find another red button. Also the "beer tab" was held on by a buttonhead screw.This will be replaced by a rivet. Have a few questions hope someone here can answer.

    Is there a washer under the beer tab where the rivet goes through? Does anyone have pics of the Graflex reborn saber so I can compare? Also what is the overall length of the graflex Thanks
     
    Last edited: Dec 18, 2011
  10. jazzygeoffery

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    I'm not quite sure what you mean by your first question, are you asking if there's a washer on the interior or the exterior? And my original Graflex is about 10 1/2 inches, 26.8 centimeters. That's about all i can help you with since i don't have a GR hilt :p
     
  11. propmainiac

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    Jazzy
    Thanks for the info... Is there a small washer under the beer tab on the outside of the body? Been a while since I owned a Graflex and cant remember.
     
  12. propmainiac

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    Not so junk Graflex

    Here are a few pics of the Graflex after some work to clean it up. Pin was missing for the bulb "ears" so the best I could do was use a pop rivet shaft. I removed the rivet portion and just used the log part. Cut it down and put some jb weild on it and slid it in. The little flathead screw on the back of the flash had nothing behind it to screw into. that part was missing from the bulb socket so before a put the bulb socket back in I used jb weild and filled in the area where the screw was supposed to go. After it dried I put it back in the flash and drilled out were the screw went. Then I slowly turned the screw untill it seated back into the flash. The rivet on the beer tab was missing so I used a hardware store rivet. Filed the head down so it was smooth then sanded it with different grades untill it looked how I wanted it. Before I put it in I placed a small washer under the beer tab, Then glued the rivet in from the inside of the flash. Going to continue to build this up. Not sure if Im going with esb or anh. Enjoy the pics.
     
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  13. propmainiac

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    Hello again. So I find myself coming back again to the Graflex reborn saber I bought some time ago on Ebay. As some of my earlier posts state I thought it was junk....well after a good bit of cleaning and polishing Im impressed how good it now looks. Ive been going back and forth about making it an esb or anh so why not a little of both! NOt really screen accurate but Id have to own 5 different ones for that. Here are some more pics with a homemade red button that I made from a coax connector and pushbutton switch from radio shack. The clamp that came with this had no tabs inside so I used a peice of 1 1/2 inch diameter aluminum tubing cut to 2 inches long, cut out 1/2 inch lengthwise and inserted it into the inside of the flash. This made the top and bottom fit very tight! Now top and bottom do not rattle or come loose!
     
  14. avianoguitarist

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    I think it turned out great--nice job!
     
  15. thd9791

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    Great job! Cleaned up nice
     
  16. Jerome

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    That looks pretty good! I bet a lot of people would like to know how to make that second red button for their ESB lightsabers, if they didn't want to go and buy one.
     
  17. thd9791

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    Reading how you made the button, that is effing genius! its hard to find things that are knurled or ribbed like that
     
  18. propmainiac

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    Thanks for the positive feedback. Sadly radio shack no longer makes that type of ribbed knob. I had it left over from years ago when I used to make my own hardware sabers. The threaded peice below it is a coax adaptor that threads into the graflex so it screws in just like the real thing! Getting a real graflex knob is my goal but its proving a tough task. Seems no one wants to part with one and one by itself is half the price of a graflex flash. A good repro is looking like my only option.
     
  19. Mr Walker

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    That cleaned up better than I would have expected.
     
  20. thd9791

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    There is a guy in the junkyard selling graflex pieces and he has at least half a dozen of these buttons, he's way back though at least 5 or 6 pages into the JY.....hopefully he hasn't sold things so I don't look like an a$$, worth a shot though!
     
  21. propmainiac

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    Thanks. It still has some blemishes if you look at it under certain lighting conditions but they are very light. I think this fits with the used look of items in star wars. I may use the grips that came with it or get new ones. I still like the way it looks with the glass eye but im going to make this one my esb since most of the parts are there.
     
  22. IG84

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    I've been looking for a decent graflex or replica for so long, unfortunately I lose out and don't have hundreds to spend on one. what is considered a good deal on these? not a great deal just a decent find?
     
  23. propmainiac

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    Hi all
    With all the talk of a new Star Wars movie Ive decided to revisit this unfinished project. Im going to use the grips that came with it even thought hey are not screen accurate but not concerned with that at this point. Havent decided if im going to use screws or rivets on the grips. What is the best glue to use on the grips? thanks
     
  24. Cenobyte

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    Remembering when people were trying to replicate the graflex, I remembered the RPF member "biskit" had tried this a long time ago.
    I wonder what ever happened to him.
     
  25. propmainiac

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    The name sounds familiar. Its a shame the prices are so high on the originals. The Graflex is what got me started in propmaking years ago. Used to make them out of hardware store parts.
     
  26. propmainiac

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    IMG_0248.JPG IMG_0252.JPG IMG_0249.JPG IMG_0251.JPG IMG_0245.JPG IMG_0243.JPG Hello all
    Well was at it again today. Decided to go ahead and work on this some more while waiting on parts from Matsuo for my pulse rifle. added the empire style grips. Not very accurate but they came with it and were in good shape. Marked the holes for the rivets/screws and drilled out the holes. Then used a tap to thread them.The small buttonhead screws were leftover from another saber project from long ago. To glue the grips I used gorilla gel super glue. Great stuff! Set very quickly and so far have not come off. The piece in the clamp came with the saber when I bought it. Not bad looking in my opinion but will probably change it out for the more accurate piece when I find one. I mounted the d ring upside down cause I like the way it looks. Pics included So You tell me was it worth t 75 bucks I paid for it?
     
  27. propmainiac

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    Really? No comments? are we all just tired of lighsaber builds?
     
  28. MAAZ

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    Great job on this!! Super Nice!!! :D
     
  29. Sym-Cha

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    Excellent job ... well done ... yet another happy GR customer ... and the price is right!

    -Chaim
     
  30. propmainiac

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    Thanks. I still have to make a bulb release lever as mine is missing. Anyone have an extra or at least can tell me how to make one?
     
  31. JediG60racer

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    Seeing this thread comes up still * me off about losing money to GR back when the amount was about six months spending cash for me.

    Rubs me the same way a thread would feel, I imagine, if it were a recaster showing off his workmanship and the person stolen from was viewing. Can't really feel good about applauding effort to finish a piece you never received but paid for. You're showing off something I paid to have made and never got. Congrats.
     
  32. propmainiac

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    Well sorry you feel that way. Not my intetion to rub anyone the wrong way here. I dont look at it as recasting. Im still not sure if this is infact a graflex reborn saber. Has anyone ever bought or received one of these? The upper half could be a graflex original. The clamp has GR on and the bottom half is a cm or two too long and definately homemade not machine made. Sorry you got taken but as far as I know you were not the only one. This was a basket case of parts that I put back together and as far as Im concerned turned out better than I had first thought.
     
  33. Sym-Cha

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    ... ehm well is that a screw that holds the bunny ears in place? Or more like a rivet?

    Those red buttons seem like replica's to me . . . however it's hard to tell from your
    pictures though.

    -Chaim
     
  34. propmainiac

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    Yes they are replicas.The one on top came with the saber. The red button on the bottom is my own replica. The bunny ears are held in with a pop rivet shaft. When I got the saber some things were missing or just wrong. Im not saying this is a real graflex just not sure what is accurate and what isn't.
     
  35. Sym-Cha

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    Well ... do search for graflex threads by means of the search button and you'll find the one that reveals all the tells soon enough.

    -Chaim
     
  36. NeoRutty

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    I quite like how it turned out... especially looking at those first pics.
     
  37. Jedi-72

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    Turned out nice. But, yeah...Graflex Reborn will stir up a lot of anger in folks. That project has to go back to about 1998. It also amazes me how these pieces apparently wound up out there on the market somehow when those who were on customer lists, myself included, had been waiting on them and never got Shiite. If I recall, there were also MPP and Obi-ANH projects, as well. GR ranks right up there with EDC studios as far as I'm concerned. Folks who've been around for a while will know what I mean.

    You really polished it up nicely. Nice find and good job, sir!
     
  38. Jedi-72

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    Turned out nice. But, yeah...Graflex Reborn will stir up a lot of anger in folks. That project has to go back to about 1998. It also amazes me how these pieces apparently wound up out there on the market somehow when those who were on customer lists, myself included, had been waiting on them and never got Shiite. If I recall, there were also MPP and Obi-ANH projects, as well. GR ranks right up there with EDC studios as far as I'm concerned. Folks who've been around for a while will know what I mean.

    You really polished it up nicely. Nice find and good job, sir!
     
  39. propmainiac

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    Wow! Kinda feel like I kicked over a hornets nest with all the bad fellings here. I originally bought this on ebay not knowing it was a GR.
     
  40. Sym-Cha

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    ... stay on target ... stay on target ... finish this wonderful build lightsaber ...

    -Chaim
     
  41. Trooper_trent

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    I don't think anyone's anger is directed towards you at all. They know you had nothing to do with it and simply bought it on ebay. It's just bringing up emotions from years ago that they've had to forget. I'm sure you can put yourself in their place. They're just venting about GR, not to you.
     
  42. NeoRutty

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    Hey I learned a lot thanks to this thread... Never had heard of Graflex Reborn. It sucks that it opened some wounds, but a little history was shared as well. heh.
     

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