Ghostbusters (2016) (Post-release)

[KrangPrime]

Yes, but some Ghostheads will argue with anyone that their fandom is as big as the other fandoms. SW, Marvel, DC, etc.

Being one of those that dress up with my franchise, I can pretty much say first hand that the GB fandom is not as big as SW, Marvel and DC. At the largest Halloween Event in our area, the number of the 501st and RL and their fans easily make us look like second place finishers......far behind second place finishers.

I wasn't disagreeing with you that some ghost heads think that they are as big as star wars..

I'm just saying that the pro people use both sides of the argument to try and help their cause.

'You can't compare it to star wars, it's not the same type of movie..'

'You can't compare it to F4. our fan base is far bigger'..

;o)


What I do find surprising is, is if this movie IS making this much because of repeated viewings from die hard ghostbuster fans...it probably would have made only $30 million like it did over seas.

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It is interesting that a film based on something that was a big hit in America before there were these big international distribution networks now needs an international market to bail it out.

I just find it sad that the us market means so little to hollywood these days, they suck up to places like china, and happily take their money to fund things that they should easily be able to fund on their own. seeing a chinese( think it was chinese, since they funded the film) distribution logo in front of star trek was kind of depressing.

With that article posted above, I wonder just how 'good' a shape sony pictures is actually in.

 

[Westies14]

Don't blame low international BO on China; Sony never planned on a large haul there anyway. Pop culture there is pretty clamped down; they didn't know what STAR WARS was leading into Ep VII; Ghostbusters has zero brand recognition there.

 

[NeoRutty]

Why can't people not hate this movie without it being "Their cause". Maybe it's just not an awful movie. Maybe it's just an okay comedy like the pro GB16's are saying.

No one has given a positive review saying "it's the GREATEST THING EVAR! and all you naysayers are fooling yourselves", but for the anti-GB16's it's THE PLAGUE ON THE EARTH! They're rooting for the destruction of a studio system... for people to lose their jobs... they'd rather the franchise burn to the ground rather than new people finding Ghostbusters. To them if you like it you're lying to yourselves, or shills, or scripted.

:facepalm

I paid the last 3 years of my mortgage working on a Sony flick... tons of my friends work for Sony. Someone made a sequel that didn't live up to your expectations, so yeah! let's have tons of people lose their jobs in The US and Canada! Serves Sony right for working with Feig!


I LOVE Batman... I saw the Batman V Superman trailer and thought "Well that looks terrible". I went and saw it and hated it.

I then thought to myself "Oh well... still have Dark Knight Rises and The Dark Knight.... Maybe the next will be better".

I didn't wish for jobs lost... or that WB crashes and burns... spread hate for it across the internet.

I just don't get the thinking in this thread.

That said! I have my tickets for tonight! Guess I'll finally see this flick!

 

[Bryancd]

The addressable audience market in China is massive and will eventually be the largest in the world so we all should get used to movie's having elements that will appeal to that market. And let's not add xenophobia to the list of ugly opinions expressed in this thread.

Regarding this film, my understanding was a Chinese release was never in the cards as the Chinese have issues with ghost related entertainment, they don't like it.

 

[Wes R]

I'm kind of surprised it's taking so long to hit some of the markets in Europe, especially given that mots of them have a high level of English in schools so you wouldn't have to get the stuff dubbed. I think this movie is going to do well enough on DVD that it'll cover the budget, it seems like even the big hits get a lot of their money from dvd and streaming sales these days as nobody wants to spend 12.00 on a movie ticket.

 

[dascoyne]

I'm kind of surprised it's taking so long to hit some of the markets in Europe, especially given that mots of them have a high level of English in schools so you wouldn't have to get the stuff dubbed. I think this movie is going to do well enough on DVD that it'll cover the budget, it seems like even the big hits get a lot of their money from dvd and streaming sales these days as nobody wants to spend 12.00 on a movie ticket.

Well released dates are calculated strategically and based on the climate of each individual country. e.g. major holidays, conflict with other domestic releases etc. As we've seen sometimes the EU gets US films before we do.

 

[The Terminator]

Well released dates are calculated strategically and based on the climate of each individual country. e.g. major holidays, conflict with other domestic releases etc. As we've seen sometimes the EU gets US films before we do.

Star Wars Episode VII for example

Thankfully Sweden doesn't dub films(only for example animated films for kids).

 

[Jeyl]

and the women in it aren't exactly empowering either...or good role models for the younger generation..

Ok. What's a better alternative? The Killing Joke? I hear they tried to make Barbara Gordon a really strong character in that one.

 

[Snikt]

Ok. What's a better alternative? The Killing Joke? I hear they tried to make Barbara Gordon a really strong character in that one.

I cant tell if youre being sarcastic or not, but the producers of that movie really screwed up on that one...

 

[Westies14]

Why can't people not hate this movie without it being "Their cause". Maybe it's just not an awful movie. Maybe it's just an okay comedy like the pro GB16's are saying.

No one has given a positive review saying "it's the GREATEST THING EVAR! and all you naysayers are fooling yourselves", but for the anti-GB16's it's THE PLAGUE ON THE EARTH! They're rooting for the destruction of a studio system... for people to lose their jobs... they'd rather the franchise burn to the ground rather than new people finding Ghostbusters. To them if you like it you're lying to yourselves, or shills, or scripted.

:facepalm

I paid the last 3 years of my mortgage working on a Sony flick... tons of my friends work for Sony. Someone made a sequel that didn't live up to your expectations, so yeah! let's have tons of people lose their jobs in The US and Canada! Serves Sony right for working with Feig!


I LOVE Batman... I saw the Batman V Superman trailer and thought "Well that looks terrible". I went and saw it and hated it.

I then thought to myself "Oh well... still have Dark Knight Rises and The Dark Knight.... Maybe the next will be better".

I didn't wish for jobs lost... or that WB crashes and burns... spread hate for it across the internet.

I just don't get the thinking in this thread.

That said! I have my tickets for tonight! Guess I'll finally see this flick!

I work in production & post, and don't want anyone to lose their jobs over this thing (unless you count Feig as director of a sequel). Pushing Hollywood to make a better product will benefit the industry as well as audiences. Funny thing about great, thoughtful movies: they tend to do well. Ghostbusters is one of the world's most recognizable brands, one of cinema's all-time most beloved properties. They were setting up a play on the 5-yard-line with a pro bowl team (in this analogy, that's the brand and not the creative group behind the effort) and had to settle for a field goal. It's pathetic. I want the industry to come around to making movies we can invest in as fans, movies we can love and watch again and again, particularly if they're going to use our favorite properties as their canvas. What I want is a win-win for everybody.

 

[NeoRutty]

I work in production & post, and don't want anyone to lose their jobs over this thing (unless you count Feig as director of a sequel). Pushing Hollywood to make a better product will benefit the industry as well as audiences. Funny thing about great, thoughtful movies: they tend to do well. Ghostbusters is one of the world's most recognizable brands, one of cinema's all-time most beloved properties. They were setting up a play on the 5-yard-line with a pro bowl team (in this analogy, that's the brand and not the creative group behind the effort) and had to settle for a field goal. It's pathetic. I want the industry to come around to making movies we can invest in as fans, movies we can love and watch again and again, particularly if they're going to use our favorite properties as their canvas. What I want is a win-win for everybody.

Agree completely.

 

[KrangPrime]

since i'm not seeing half the conversation here...

I'm not wishing for ream after ream of sony employee cubicle firings. those poor people being let go probably didn't have a thing to do with the movie.
Who I Want to see let go for it are the higher up idiots who let it not only get this far, but who didn't have the balls to stop it higher up in the CEO and executive chain.

Those are the people you want rooted out, the high money decision makers and hopefully replaced with someone who knows what they are doing for the betterment of the company.

the lower level people don't deserve to be fired over this mess.

 

[Jeyl]

They were setting up a play on the 5-yard-line with a pro bowl team (in this analogy, that's the brand and not the creative group behind the effort) and had to settle for a field goal. It's pathetic. I want the industry to come around to making movies we can invest in as fans, movies we can love and watch again and again, particularly if they're going to use our favorite properties as their canvas. What I want is a win-win for everybody.

Never would have happened for three reasons.

1. Fans of this franchise have shown that if they don't get a Ghostbusters' movie that caters to their wants, they will tear it apart limb from limb and find any means of defending their unabashed hatred for it. A win-win scenario cannot exist under those circumstances if they're this absolute. I remember before this reboot even existed that users in this very forum didn't even want another Ghostbusters film unless Bill Murray was going to be in it. And surprise, that still didn't change their minds when they got what they wanted.

2. The original team simply couldn't get anything done. A lackluster attempt at a sequel, too many disagreements, too many different ideas and a lot of uninterested parties. The only way Ghostbusters was able to move forward at all was through other media companies like games, comics and TV that didn't involve the original movie team.

And let's not forget one crucial element that is only now starting to become a thing.

3. There are already fans of this new take on Ghostbusters. To them, they've already won and are happy with what we got right now. So if Sony chooses to follow up on this movie and it's characters, will it still fit in with your criteria of win-win for 'everybody'?

 

[Westies14]

Never would have happened for three reasons.

1. Fans of this franchise have shown that if they don't get a Ghostbusters' movie that caters to their wants, they will tear it apart limb from limb and find any means of defending their unabashed hatred for it. A win-win scenario cannot exist under those circumstances if they're this absolute. I remember before this reboot even existed that users in this very forum didn't even want another Ghostbusters film unless Bill Murray was going to be in it. And surprise, that still didn't change their minds when they got what they wanted.

2. The original team simply couldn't get anything done. A lackluster attempt at a sequel, too many disagreements, too many different ideas and a lot of uninterested parties. The only way Ghostbusters was able to move forward at all was through other media companies like games, comics and TV that didn't involve the original movie team.

And let's not forget one crucial element that is only now starting to become a thing.

3. There are already fans of this new take on Ghostbusters. To them, they've already won and are happy with what we got right now. So if Sony chooses to follow up on this movie and it's characters, will it still fit in with your criteria of win-win for 'everybody'?

I feel like this missed the entire point of what I was saying, but I'll try to address your thoughts here:

1. Fans have not proven that they will tear any Ghostbusters film limb from limb if it doesn't cater to their wants. They've reacted to exactly one half-baked attempt at a new entry. Some fans rejected this iteration for a wide array of reasons, legitimate and otherwise, while other fans embraced it.

2. Who said anything about the original team? I would have preferred not to see any of the original cast in cameos and to have this exist in that original continuity. Even with the same cast, the same pedestrian comedy, the same new gear, the same crummy script and everything else wrong with this movie and its development, I would hold it in higher regard if it hadn't needlessly scrapped all the history that fans already loved.

3. Yeah, Sony has some figuring out to do regarding what comes next. They'll face feminist backlash if they simply revert to the original timeline, but probably less so if they include female Ghostbusters on the next team. There are fans of the reboot universe, but they are a tiny pool compared to fans of the original - and on a ven diagram almost that entire subset would be contained within the larger pool who enjoy or obsess over the original. But all of that, of course, is beside the broader point I was making about about stonewalling lame money grabs of properties we love. I was talking about the process that led to this movie, not what they have to navigate now in trying to make a sequel that doesn't alienate everyone they haven't already. That process is something worth protesting even if they had managed to accidentally make a film better than the original (they didn't). It was thoughtless, and it will take audiences demanding a better product to get it. Not just with Ghostbusters, but industry-wide.

 

[KrangPrime]

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4513678/w9

make of this what you will. i'm not sure who's allowed to start pages like this.. but it's most likely someone's wishful thinking.


something tells me the next movie to protest will be, ironically, sony's he-man.

and there is also this...http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1289401/board/thread/259901475

not sure how much truth to it though.

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/movies/la-et-mn-ghosbusters-hillary-20160729-snap-story.html

LOLOLOL..

oh, come on....oh well, at least they didn't say they got 'hacked'. they tried that one already.

 

[DINVADER]

Did you not read about Reitman saying there are going to tie the old and new films together somehow? Maybe cross over parallel dimensions?

 

[Westies14]

Something tells me the next movie to protest will be, ironically, sony's he-man.

It's actually Paul Feig's She-Man now; they're already planning a He-Ra spinoff.

 

[goldenhawk]

Here's a fun Struzan-esque poster!

http://i.imgur.com/wd4hjnI.jpg

Post that on Facebook and it will get bombarded with the green puking face emoji.

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Ok. What's a better alternative? The Killing Joke? I hear they tried to make Barbara Gordon a really strong character in that one.

Rey held her own in SW TFA.

 

[d_osborn]

Post that on Facebook and it will get bombarded with the green puking face emoji.

It was posted on Facebook and got over 5,900 likes, mine being one of them.

Here's mockup that I played around with after the first trailer hit. I've been meaning to refine it a bit more. Having a blast with this stuff!

 

[goldenhawk]

It was posted on Facebook and got over 5,900 likes, mine being one of them.

http://i.imgur.com/MPrLE0K.png

How many puking face emojis did it get? That Facebook page is known for being bombarded by such puking emoji. And then the people who run that FB page deletes the negative comments. Typically Sony MO.

I can honestly say that I was a GB diehard, even helping run a franchise in the DC Area. Hero pack, movie accurate props, etc. Now I feel it has all gone to waste. The reboot has left me and my team with a bad taste with the GB Fandom. Especially how some fans just bought into the reboot thing how, line and sinker. The divide between pro and anti reboot just keeps getting bigger, and a sequel to the reboot will just make the divide bigger. The GB fandom really is in a sad state.