Ghostbusters (2016) (Post-release)

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this is just sad..

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/ghostbusters-endorses-clinton-account-tweets-915056

I'm of the obi wan kenobi method thinking of 'never trust ANY politician..'

but since when did ghostbusters become woman's last stand and politics?


sigh.

i wonder what it'll take to show pro reboot people that feig and the new folks JUST do not have Ghostbusters best interest at heart here?

I guess it fits. their own campaign (sony) tried to oust Bernie (Reitman) from ever getting elected..
 
Perfectly summed up in two tweets.


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this is just sad..

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/ghostbusters-endorses-clinton-account-tweets-915056

I'm of the obi wan kenobi method thinking of 'never trust ANY politician..'

but since when did ghostbusters become woman's last stand and politics?


sigh.

i wonder what it'll take to show pro reboot people that feig and the new folks JUST do not have Ghostbusters best interest at heart here?

I guess it fits. their own campaign (sony) tried to oust Bernie (Reitman) from ever getting elected..
i thought Sony didn't want the reboot to be a political tool. Well, so much for that.
 
Again for anyone that cares to actually answer the BIG question:

"Soo... How were the non sexist, non racist, non vitriolic men of the world represented in the film?

Please retort and elaborate!"

Hey. So basically there is ONE movie that does not have a super positive male stereotype. Is that the equivalent of HUNDREDS (thousands) of movies that have zero positive woman stereotypes? Or that fact in a majority of movies the women is just there to give the male lead a reason for revenge or action? Positive women in The original GB? Janine? Nada. Dana? Nope. Why does EVERY movie have to have some type of positive male role model? Is your masculinity so threatened and or fragile that you need to have to be catered to in every movie??

Also, when you say 'sexism' you have no idea what you are talking about. Maybe you could read up on it a bit before bringing up on the thread/board next time, eh? Thanks! :)
 
Hey. So basically there is ONE movie that does not have a super positive male stereotype. Is that the equivalent of HUNDREDS (thousands) of movies that have zero positive woman stereotypes? Or that fact in a majority of movies the women is just there to give the male lead a reason for revenge or action? Positive women in The original GB? Janine? Nada. Dana? Nope. Why does EVERY movie have to have some type of positive male role model? Is your masculinity so threatened and or fragile that you need to have to be catered to in every movie??

Also, when you say 'sexism' you have no idea what you are talking about. Maybe you could read up on it a bit before bringing up on the thread/board next time, eh? Thanks! :)

Yeah any "man" complaining about how they were portrayed in a single film after getting a taste of what women have liked felt for decades need to actually grow a pair.
 
There used to be a "no social commentary" thing... what happened to that... that was fun for a bit.

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Yeah any "man" complaining about how they were portrayed in a single film after getting a taste of what women have liked felt for decades need to actually grow a pair.

Yup... look at "The Crow"... Woman is raped, and a guy is resurrected to avenge her... cuz you know, she can't do it herself.

And when she appears after her rape she's in lingerie.

This has been the way of movies for the last few decades.

4 girl Ghostbusters?

MAN HATING!!!!! SJW's! Pandering!!!
 
There used to be a "no social commentary" thing... what happened to that... that was fun for a bit.

That's what first made me read that thread, I thought what was this all about that the mods made that warning. It does beg the question where they are now and how they have let some of these comments stand. But at least now I know which members opinions I have zero respect for so there's that.
 
i thought Sony didn't want the reboot to be a political tool. Well, so much for that.

I wonder if this is their next controversy?

They tried the sexism card.

the racism card only gave them a few days press tops.

Now they are going full on political.

I noticed it looks like they deleted the tweet though.

what else have they got left?
 
The hypocrisy is palpable.

I'm not insulted to see women get stronger roles.... (I keep seeing that the defendants think this of me.)

You guys REALLY think that this is a positive for women? These are strong roles? REALLY???

This is a step back. Wake up, open your eyes...

You really HONESTLY think that Ripley in Alien wasn't better than: "the power of patty compels you!" ??? REALLY???????

To me it's as big of an insult to women in general as it is GB fans.

And sexism and racism aren't a one way street... It goes both ways! And it remains disgusting.

How about just make a good movie??? Cast the best person for each individual role? I'm not threatened by strong female leads. You are DILLUSIONAL if you think these are strong characters regardless of race or sex.

Keep telling yourself whatever you need to! pat yourselves on the back... Good for you! You are uber progressive!

This movie is a travesty. Men in the roles wouldn't have helped AT ALL. The movie is a propaganda reel that is doing nothing other than pushing sexism further.

So progressive, so brave!!! So fail.

They made back half of what they speant. Half a home run is ZERO POINTS.

I just wanted a new GB movie! I don't care what the race or sex of said ghostbusters are.... CAN YOU NOT GET THAT? This is straight up throwaway garbage.

The agenda is MUCH larger than the content.

THE MOVIE IS A WASTE OF HARD DRIVE SPACE.

If you like it good for you! But can you sit and respond with a straight face and say that it is a classic like the original? Will you REALLY repeatedly watch it in 20 years? COME THE F ON......

REALLY? My mind is blown by some of you. The best part????? NONE OF OUR FEMALE MEMBERS ARE CHIMING IN. All of my female friends think this is crap and laugh at the armchair avengers and their crusade to defend them....

They DONT NEED YOUR HELP, BECAUSE WOMEN ARE STRONG and can speak for themselves! You need not throw your jacket in a puddle of mud for them.

My female friends are 99.9% stronger than you or I.

My best friend just went through a double mastectomy and harsh chemo and could probably LITTERALLY kick most of your asses. I love and cherish her. And she laughs at this topic and refuses to see this movie. Because she is a huge fan of the original.

That's my reality.

You have fun in yours.
 
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For sure this film has given insight into folks psychology nowadays:to right a wrong you visit that same wrong on the offender a thousand fold....when I was young this was called "revenge" now it's known as "progressive" men HAVE mistreated women no doubt so now it's 100% okay for the women to do it and the men must lay back and not only take it but beg for more.

Same for certain other things we tried to fix in the 60's and 70's all that work has gone out the window far as I'm concerned....

Also a great look into the whole "me" generation for the only reason to do anything is to satisfy the three most important people in the world me,myself,and I that's why SJW's flit from one conflict to the next so they can get their ego's massaged.

The movie itself it's that bad from what I can tell,although what I have seen is pretty gawdawful,but that does appeal to folks now so-have fun but fer the Lord's sakes let those who don't alone and leave the social crap at home,movies are supposed to be fun,not brainwashing tools.
 
Far better than I could put it. Bravo Krull. I owe you a beer, a whiskey, and/or a dinner.

Great post.
 
what else needs to be said at this point?

we've pretty much proven it's an anti male hate agenda movie. and the women in it aren't exactly empowering either...or good role models for the younger generation.. .and they just do not care about the ghostbusters franchise. they never have.

anyone who still does not believe that at this point?

We've been talking more about womens rights and political stuff than ghostbusting and ghostbusters itself since the day this was announced.


I'm ashamed it's made this much money... most probably from die hard gb fans going back multiple times to support it.
our friends in the UK are far smarter.

I wish suicide squad was coming out this weekend so it could finish it off for good and it could move straight to the dollar bin at walmart.
 
what else needs to be said at this point?

we've pretty much proven it's an anti male hate agenda movie. and the women in it aren't exactly empowering either...or good role models for the younger generation.. .and they just do not care about the ghostbusters franchise. they never have.

anyone who still does not believe that at this point?

We've been talking more about womens rights and political stuff than ghostbusting and ghostbusters itself since the day this was announced.


I'm ashamed it's made this much money... most probably from die hard gb fans going back multiple times to support it.
our friends in the UK are far smarter.

I wish suicide squad was coming out this weekend so it could finish it off for good and it could move straight to the dollar bin at walmart.
The good thing is that the remaining reboot foreign release dates will coincide with Suicide Squad. So the reboot will have much tougher competition. And yes, hopefully the reboot dies in a couple of weeks.
 
To me, admittedly having yet to see the film, my guess is that Max Landis' take on the film is pretty accurate:

- The internet is full of scary people with an axe to grind; and,

- The film is...you know...just a film. Not amazing, not godawful, has some funny bits, has some weak bits.

In the end, I'm still disappointed they killed the old continuity, and I think that they courted controversy through the casting. But, also in the end, it doesn't really matter because the film was just another "meh" 2010s comedy. It didn't smash down social barriers, it didn't ruin people's childhoods, it wasn't a major blow for feminism, and it wasn't an unbearable slight to men. It's just a run-of-the-mill 2010s comedy.

And, to me, that raises an entirely different issue surrounding how this film was made. The whole idea here was to tap an established comedy brand, expand the fanbase to an underserved demographic, and turn the whole thing into a larger franchise. Key in that effort, though, was finding the right brand to tap. So, the studio, which already owned the GB brand, alighted on that as the solution, assuming that the brand, coupled with a hot director, and a cast designed to lure in said underserved demographic, would be enough.

It apparently wasn't. The film isn't a financial disaster, but I'm sure it's rather a disappointment for Sony that it didn't blaze out of the gate on opening weekend with a +$80M take. Instead, it's a middling success that will probably break even or maybe turn a slight profit, and where money will be made on the licensing fees, which may or may not hold value for round 2 (assuming there is one, which I suppose is a fair assumption).

In the meantime, the internet got itself worked up into a good frothing lather about the film and what it represented. SJWs ruining everything, a punching bag for sexist a-holes, a standard round which various camps could mobilize to support or attack the film as representative of...something. The only thing this film really represents to me, though, is an overreliance in Hollywood on branded IP to sell tickets. I think, if anything, that Ghostbusters is a failure of THAT aspect of the business. Not as big a failure as, say, Fantastic Four, but I think it does show that you can't just slap any old brand on a film and assume the cash will just roll in. Likewise, you can't JUST tap a director that people seem to like and assume he can automagically generate amazing box-office returns.

Paul Feig went into this project fairly lukewarm about the whole thing. And while he certainly rallied after being given carte blanche (or perhaps carte gris...) to do whatever he wanted (if you ignore the studio notes, of course), perhaps that lack of enthusiasm shone through in the final product. Perhaps the reason why Ghostbusters is JUST an average 2010s comedy that -- aside from the associated controversy -- will probably be forgotten in another 10 years, perhaps the reason audiences said "Yeah, it's fine. Something to watch on a boring summer weekend," is because it is exactly the sum of its parts: a lukewarm director, a reheated brand that probably should've been mothballed, and a studio with delusions of Marvel-esque franchises, all combining awkwardly into a film that doesn't totally suck, but isn't anything particularly special.


Maybe it's time we all just....let the film be. Let it be what it is, let it speak for itself, and let the audience react accordingly. Ghostbusters isn't a political cause, it's not an attack on or defense of anything. It's...just a run-of-the-mill 2010s comedy film.
 
Is the movie a bit sexist toward men? Sure, but no more so than movies have been toward women in the past. It's like they used say about Mae West or Suzanne Sommers, you have to be smart to play that dumb. The same goes for writing dumb. The "Kevin is an idiot" subplot just wasn't written very well. The glasses with no lenses was genuinely funny. Unfortunately that's as funny as it got, and it was all downhill from there.
 
Maybe it's time we all just....let the film be. Let it be what it is, let it speak for itself, and let the audience react accordingly. Ghostbusters isn't a political cause, it's not an attack on or defense of anything. It's...just a run-of-the-mill 2010s comedy film.

isn't that the same defense the director used? 'just let this film happen.. you don't know what we're doing'.


Apparently we did. right from the time it was announced, and the time we read his first email pitch.

the audience is smarter than that, paul. and sometimes you have to be vocal, hopefully in a nice way,to let them know that. and if you're real lucky, box office figures will back up that vocality.

it may not have ruined my child hood, but it sure ruined my perception of the brand. the anti male hate. the anti nerd hate (surprising from a 'self proclaimed nerd' and 'creator' of the apparently untouchable 'freaks and geeks')..it's all there. it's in his movies. you don't even have to look hard for it. if these are the hateful people involved with a kids brand, why reward them for it? why let them get away with it? 'bullying' is bullying no matter who does it.

the fact that so many are either willing to ignore that, or just sweep it aside as if it doesn't matter is sad.
 
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