Ghostbusters (2016) (Post-release)

[KrangPrime]

Lights Out[/B] was Sony's Ghostbusters reboot, which dropped 53% for an estimated $21.6 million. The drop is just a step above the 51.4% average when you compare to other films that had similar opening weekends and also scored a "B+" CinemaScore, but for director Paul Feig and star Melissa McCarthy this is a much larger drop than they are used to. The duo's three previous films together saw an average 34.4% second weekend drop. Ghostbusters carries a $144 million budget and has grossed $86.8 million so far domestically and just over $120 million worldwide.

also, keep in mind the studio doesn't get to keep all that money either, so some of it goes to theater owners, etc..

 

[NeoRutty]

The franchise died at ghostbusters 2. If the biggest detractor here is happy with having that movie around, then the delusion is complete. A sequel that does absolutely everything you shouldn't do in a sequel.

As far as I'm concerned, Ghostbusters 2 was a reboot starring the original cast, written in a rush, no one wanted to make, catering to little kids that loved the crappy cartoon.

Ghostbusters 2 is why the new one is how it is.... Ghostbusters 2 killed the franchise. So if GB 16 was great, it could only have revived it (and maaaaybe will?) but you can't kill what's already dead.

 

[Sundowner]

I decided to go see it and i didn't think it was bad. I actually enjoyed it. Does it compare to the original? Absolutely not however that doesn't mean it couldn't be entertaining.

My girlfriend is quite a bit younger than I am and she didn't grow up with these cult movies which are now getting sequels or reboots. I made sure we watched the original before the current ghostbusters. I don't think she has the heart to tell me she enjoyed the reboot more. Our cinematic adventure started when we were talking about how much we loved Point Break until I realized she was talking about the reboot :unsure

 

[Krull]

Ghostbusters 2 is why the new one is how it is.... Ghostbusters 2 killed the franchise. So if GB 16 was great, it could only have revived it (and maaaaybe will?) but you can't kill what's already dead.

“That is not dead which can eternal lie, yet with stranger aeons, even Death may die.” sorry that's what popped into my head immediately :lol

What I find cray-cray with this film is the small vocal minority that's supporting it,there is NOTHING you can say that will make them see the film is,at best,doing half-arsed and is destined to be a $5 special at Walmart in a year,and possibly a $1 special at a dollar store in two.

Is it a huge fail? no,probably not I'm sure when I sit through it I'll find something to laugh at,but for the most part the thing has a brand of humor a lot of people don't like who have laughed at older films,the younger set seem to eat it with a spoon and cry for more though.....
But if you enjoy it,ENJOY it but don't think you have to force it on anybody who says "ew" when they glance at it,that's an opinion and everybody has one.

 

[goldenhawk]

Rotten Tomatos has a 73 percent positive rating. So the majority of people liked it.
All you haters...I'm laughing in your face! :lol

You lose.

Actually, we haven't lost anything. If there is a loser......it is Sony. People are losing jobs and getting fired at Sony. And you know, it's Sony's fault.

http://nypost.com/2016/07/20/sony-zaps-jobs-following-poor-results-in-us/

They are are slashing market budgets across the board as part of it. So maybe Ghost Corp's budget may get slashed. Sony can spin the box office take of Feigbusters all they want. They like to paint a rosy picture of Feigbusters. But in reality, Sony wouldn't be cutting jobs and cost if they weren't happy with the results internally.

 

[Moviefreak]

So to recap the weekend...

Ice Age spent $104 Million on budget and made 21 Million this weekend.... that studio is calling it "a flop".
Lights Out made 21 Million and only spent $4.9 Million to make it... That studio is calling that "a success".
Ghostbusters had a budget of $144 Million and made $21 Million this weekend and the studio is still calling it a HUGE success?

 

[KrangPrime]

What I'm surprised at this time around, is the out right hate and vitrol coming from the supporters this time around. especially certain fan pages that post stuff that end with 'man babies'. I can't help but wonder.. why this movie? unless they believe the sexism claims from feig. some are going so far as to call mellisa mcarthy characters in feig movies 'role models'.



But with this movie, we've had more proof than ever that support the detractors argument that this movie should never have been made, mostly thanks to the email leaks.
you'd have thought that this movie would get no where near $30 million like the UK, let alone approach $75 million.


I sometimes wonder though how much of the die hard fan base that amount is. it's clear some are seeing it multiple times to support it.

 

[KrangPrime]

I guess the torrent is out ;o).

If Bill's performance in the video game seemed phoned in...what he does here is akin to sleep walking.
doesn't look comfortable in that stupid feig suit either.

 

[Dreddful]

Saw it last week and hated every single minute of it. Everything was so forced, including the cameos. Ernie Hudson's cameo was the only one that made sense.

 

[Krull]

I guess the torrent is out ;o).

If Bill's performance in the video game seemed phoned in...what he does here is akin to sleep walking.
doesn't look comfortable in that stupid feig suit either.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feYNPlE0zJA

Wow...that was so entertaining I'm just dying to see more,someone RESTRAIN me!!! :facepalm I swear the more clips I see of it the less I want to see any of it,blech.

*ETA*

I guess Bill got his wish though,they killed him off in Ghostbusters :unsure though I feel it makes him a real self-serving *****

 

[Solo4114]

So to recap the weekend...

Ice Age spent $104 Million on budget and made 21 Million this weekend.... that studio is calling it "a flop".
Lights Out made 21 Million and only spent $4.9 Million to make it... That studio is calling that "a success".
Ghostbusters had a budget of $144 Million and made $21 Million this weekend and the studio is still calling it a HUGE success?

Two things to consider.

1. The studio, unless it's a blatantly obvious failure, is gonna claim that it was a success. At least with a project with this kind of high profile and the associated controversy. They set up Ghostbusters as a franchise-launcher, and they have shareholders to keep happy.

2. The merchandising side of things may be "carrying" the film. Remember, again, this is supposed to be the launch of a new franchise, not just a one-off movie. There's supposed to be all kinds of cross-promotion, including toys, video games, cartoon shows, etc. If that side of things is doing well -- or doing better than expected -- then the studio can say "See? It's a success!"


The estimated drop is around 53%. Not fantastic, but also not a total disaster. It's about average, really.

 

[goldenhawk]

Two things to consider.

1. The studio, unless it's a blatantly obvious failure, is gonna claim that it was a success. At least with a project with this kind of high profile and the associated controversy. They set up Ghostbusters as a franchise-launcher, and they have shareholders to keep happy.

2. The merchandising side of things may be "carrying" the film. Remember, again, this is supposed to be the launch of a new franchise, not just a one-off movie. There's supposed to be all kinds of cross-promotion, including toys, video games, cartoon shows, etc. If that side of things is doing well -- or doing better than expected -- then the studio can say "See? It's a success!"


The estimated drop is around 53%. Not fantastic, but also not a total disaster. It's about average, really.

And to keep shareholders happy, Sony does this:
http://nypost.com/2016/07/20/sony-zaps-jobs-following-poor-results-in-us/

 

[Solo4114]

And to keep shareholders happy, Sony does this:
http://nypost.com/2016/07/20/sony-zaps-jobs-following-poor-results-in-us/

Well there ya go.
@NeilT, if you wanted to see heads roll over the Ghostbusters film, this is about as close as you're gonna get. It's not a direct condemnation of the Ghostbusters film, but it's pretty clear from the article that the film's performance is viewed by the higher-ups in Tokyo as not good enough to save the US operation of the studio.

That's about as clear an indictment of the film's performance as you can hope for, really, short of what we may see from axed execs after the fact.

 

[Westies14]

It's really obnoxious how little anything matters in every clip I've watched from this film. See a ghost? No big deal! Ghost throws up at your face for 10 straight seconds? Stand there and take it. Bill Murray gets pushed out the window because one of you released an aggressive ghost? Behave like nothing happened next to his corpse on the street below. Your friend smacks you in the face with her full strength? You launch yourself off a stage to land flat on your back on the arena floor? No worries! Ghostbusters packed weight and meaning and tension into even subtle interactions and small moments - much of its comedy was derived precisely from their ability to do that. Absolutely nothing I've seen has shown this reboot to be anything more than a string of weak comedy stuck together with loose bits of derivative narrative, culminating in a boring modern CG battle.

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Well there ya go.
@NeilT, if you wanted to see heads roll over the Ghostbusters film, this is about as close as you're gonna get. It's not a direct condemnation of the Ghostbusters film, but it's pretty clear from the article that the film's performance is viewed by the higher-ups in Tokyo as not good enough to save the US operation of the studio.

That's about as clear an indictment of the film's performance as you can hope for, really, short of what we may see from axed execs after the fact.

Unless, as the article states, the layoffs occurred "a few weeks ago," in which case GB's underperformance (at least against studio expectations going in) wasn't yet a factor.

 

[KrangPrime]

Well there ya go.
@NeilT, if you wanted to see heads roll over the Ghostbusters film, this is about as close as you're gonna get. It's not a direct condemnation of the Ghostbusters film, but it's pretty clear from the article that the film's performance is viewed by the higher-ups in Tokyo as not good enough to save the US operation of the studio.

That's about as clear an indictment of the film's performance as you can hope for, really, short of what we may see from axed execs after the fact.

Do I want people fired? yeah.

Do I want the average JOE fired who had nothing to do with this film getting greenlit? not so much .THOSE people I feel sorry for. they are just the foil for higher up CEOS who get a pay raise with every employee fired.

 

[KrangPrime]

It's really obnoxious how little anything matters in every clip I've watched from this film. See a ghost? No big deal! Ghost throws up at your face for 10 straight seconds? Stand there and take it. Bill Murray gets pushed out the window because one of you released an aggressive ghost? Behave like nothing happened next to his corpse on the street below. Your friend smacks you in the face with her full strength? You launch yourself off a stage to land flat on your back on the arena floor? No worries! Ghostbusters packed weight and meaning and tension into even subtle interactions and small moments - much of its comedy was derived precisely from their ability to do that. Absolutely nothing I've seen has shown this reboot to be anything more than a string of weak comedy stuck together with loose bits of derivative narrative, culminating in a boring modern CG battle.

people in that clip where actually LAUGHING at the 'you went out the wrong door' 'joke'. i bet that audience even laughed at the stupid mike hat joke it took me far too long to understand...because no matter how you tried to explain it away, it didn't make sense in context, or for the character.

regarding effects, if you watch that shot of slimer coming out of the cart. mcarthy and whoever was with her where looking stage right, totally in a different direction of slimer ;o).

the more i look at the chinese restaurant, the more i think that this was their pandering to get released in china...only they eventually decided somewhere along the way that it wouldn't be worth trying.

 

[AJTaliesen]

So the bottom line seems to be that most who actually saw it seem to like it ok, though not as much as the original (which in my mind makes a remake pointless...if you're not going to improve...but thats a whole other argument).

Ultimately, most think it's a decent film.


But the numbers look pretty disastrous. They still publicly call it a win comparing it to movies that cost 30mil to make, but compared to movies with a similar budget, it's pretty much stinky-farty-smelly. Which does vindicate us somewhat in that if the movie is not bad, then the marketing is largely to blame. I'd like to hope that means the end of this terrible strategy being used in future movies, but sadly, I doubt it.

Studios, and Sony more than any of them, are famous for learning the wrong lesson. It's just as likely that they'll walk away thinking something absurd like people don't like women in movies, or that big budget films can't be funny, rather than the real lesson: don't market your film by starting a war with a huge section of your potential audience.

 

[goldenhawk]

So the bottom line seems to be that most who actually saw it seem to like it ok, though not as much as the original (which in my mind makes a remake pointless...if you're not going to improve...but thats a whole other argument).

Ultimately, most think it's a decent film.


But the numbers look pretty disastrous. They still publicly call it a win comparing it to movies that cost 30mil to make, but compared to movies with a similar budget, it's pretty much stinky-farty-smelly. Which does vindicate us somewhat in that if the movie is not bad, then the marketing is largely to blame. I'd like to hope that means the end of this terrible strategy being used in future movies, but sadly, I doubt it.

Studios, and Sony more than any of them, are famous for learning the wrong lesson. It's just as likely that they'll walk away thinking something absurd like people don't like women in movies, or that big budget films can't be funny, rather than the real lesson: don't market your film by starting a war with a huge section of your potential audience.

Marketing is part of it. As hard as Sony tried, they just couldn't capture the young male audience or the boys to go see the reboot or take it seriously.

And then there is this:
http://www.vulture.com/2016/07/ghos...-mccarthy-paul-feig.html?mid=facebook_vulture

Did Sony really think they can compete with the Marvel Movies? Perhaps Sony thought they had a SW film.....

Who knows at this point. But the reboot finished in fifth place on its second week out, according to Box Office Mojo. LMAO.

 

[Tan Djarka]

I wonder how this movie would have fared in the pre-internet age. Maybe it would have been received better if it hadn't been condemned in the court of public opinion before anyone had even managed to see it. I'm not saying it's the best film ever, but it was entertaining. Actually, I think the marketing is somewhat to blame. Typically, the best material goes into the commercials and trailers, often creating a false impression that the film is good. I don't know who cut this movie's trailer, because they included some of the least funny bits from it. There was a lot of better material in the film, albeit not significantly better. The trailer and advanced promotion created the impression of a movie that was worse than it actually turned out to be. Maybe it was good I went in with low expectations as it could be why I enjoyed it more than I thought I would.

I don't know... It's unfortunate that it may not make enough money to revive the franchise. The good news is then you'll never be disappointed by a Ghostbusters movie ever again. You'll just have to wait for the Han Solo movie to be monumentally disappointed.

 

[batguy]

Studios, and Sony more than any of them, are famous for learning the wrong lesson. It's just as likely that they'll walk away thinking something absurd like people don't like women in movies, or that big budget films can't be funny, rather than the real lesson: don't market your film by starting a war with a huge section of your potential audience.

It's so beautifully idiotic - do a remake for the reduction in financial risk compared to a new show . . . and then **** off & start a war with that built-in audience.