Force awakens Star Destroyer

Discussion in 'General Modeling' started by steve_jones, Apr 30, 2015.

  1. steve_jones

    steve_jones Active Member

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    I'm thinking About starting on a model of the new star destroyer from the new trailer

    I just can't figure out how the new nose goes together any ideas ?

    You can see quite a lot of detail if you lighten this screen grabs ... image.jpg
    Cheers

    Steve
     
  2. Jedi Dade

    Jedi Dade Sr Member

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    To me it looks like a large bottom hull with other star destroyer hull layers stacked on top... almost like it could separate into several SD's - how cool would that be :).

    The nose/tip looks like a ramming prod or something like that. A vertical "whatsit" that wraps top to bottom across the front like a fin or something.

    But really I'm just guessing :D

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  3. Jedi Dade

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    something Like this :


    new SD nose.png

    Yes I know its crude inaccurate blah blah... the red part would be how I think it attaches based on the little info we've seen.

    Jedi Dade
     
  4. astroboy

    astroboy Master Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    the one thing that strikes me about this ship is that the sides of the top and bottom seem to be parallel. But that doesn't make sense if the bottom sticks out that much further.

    So my belief is that the top isn't a full triangle. I think it stops flat (with a pointy bit on each side)

    So that if you look from the top down, the trangle shape looks like this:
     

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  5. Jedi Dade

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    I drew that pic fast and dirty... I actually think that is "stepped and undercut". Like the top half could separate from the bottom and the top would be similar to the OT SD's.

    I didn't take the time in the doodle to depict that as I was focused on trying to explain my theory of "what is the front of this".

    Jedi Dade
     
  6. Jedi Dade

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    kinda like this... again just a thought that I think it looks like it "could" do...

    new SD nose.png

    What do you think? I think it would be totally cool to have that entire giant lower half be essentially a shield that protects the primary ship from planetary assault... How cool would a scene by to have the planet blast the holy heck out of an SD just to have the bottom detach and the SD keep fighting... Oh baby :cool:thumbsup:cheers. I know I'd LOVE to see that. We probably wont - but how cool would that be?

    Jedi Dade
     
  7. Jedi Dade

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    As the first post mentioned... I adjusted the brightness and contrast of a screen cap from the trailer... here is the result:

    New SD.png

    glad I did this - can see a TON more detail - and my detachable upper SD is still viable :D

    Jedi Dade
     
  8. astroboy

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    The thing about that is that if the upper triangle were shorter, then the sides would not be parallel. And now that I see more detail, I'm gonna stick to my hypothesis.

    When you see the port side of the upper half go back, you'll notice that it stops and goes perpendicular to the ship. As if it has that stubbed nose I put in my mspaint drawing
     
  9. Jedi Dade

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    The great thing is - we'll eventually see :D. I've watched that little clip a bunch of times while taking the screen grab... and to me they looked stacked on top of each other. but you could be right ;).

    But I think it goes something like this:
    new SD top.png

    Jedi Dade
     
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  10. steve_jones

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    Ive done some playing with the picture and made it a little clearer and sharper you can see a lot more detail now

    I think the top and bottom triangles are parallel but the top one steps short so in effect the brim trenches are equal

    The front fin appears thin and there is some structure along the front and the sides creating a shelf along the main structure

    Also there is now just one shield dome..

    Star-Wars-7-Force-Awakens-Teaser-Trailer-2-New-Star-Destroyer (2).jpg
     
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  11. Jedi Dade

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    * that's impressive lightening... re-contrasting...

    only one shield dome that we can see...

    I'm still stickin' with my theory... because I want it to be true :D. I think that the angle of the camera is creating the illusion that the upper edge of the trench is running parallel. I say this because of where it "ends" in relation to far side. if we assume its symmetrical then that's quite a bit short on the far side for that trench. just sayin'

    Jedi Dade
     
  12. rbeach84

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    Wow! However (rut-row!) the row of 'rods' projecting from the port side edge (far edge) are not visible on the near side - so either they inadvertently left them off or it is an intentional asymmetry (why?)

    Cool looking, but definitely way off from an SD (or a Tyr-shuttle... and what are those boxy looking things acting as escorts?)

    Once again, ol' JJ is stomping on the "canon" almost like a dare (Abrams: "Oh, yeah? Well I dare you NOT to come see it, Fan-boi-ee!") I just don't understand why they have to mess with perfectly good concepts simply in the name of putting their "own" stamp on it... good gravy....) Perhaps there is *another* time-line altering wormhole event that does away with all that is from before (and got rid of the Yuuzhan Vong too, dang mouse-turds!)

    Of course, it may simply be another 'newer model' of Star Destroyer-type warship and not an actual 're-imagining' of the old SD. Yes, I know - "stuff" happens, plus movie makers have issues with 'continuity'. And, yes, Disney paid a lot to 'own' the franchise so it is indeed their dime. Well, so be it... grumble, grumble.

    R/ Robert
     
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  13. Robiwon

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    Hmm.... Could the bridge be "V" shaped? And could the new SD have Falcon like mandibles?
     
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  14. astroboy

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    You worded that so much better than I.

    That's exactly what I was trying to portray in that little diagram I did above. Because the top and bottom seem to be parallel.
     
  15. steve_jones

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    I think there is a single structure protruding from the Middle front it starts thin and then widens out where it meets the main hull

    Bridge appears to have two structures on its top , looking at the sides there appears to be little wings coming out at the front and then lots of spikes on the far side odd..
     
  16. rbeach84

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    Yep, some 'wonky' is built in for sure... If I were the draughtsman I once was, we could have a projection analysis on the obvious 'centerline' points... such as the center of the front vertical 'plate' up along the center of the 'superstructure' features.
    R/ Robert
     
  17. darth_daniel

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    What makes you think it would be a 're-imagination' of the classic ISD? The pictures of ISD and SSD wrecks in the desert prove they didn´t try to give old ships a new look, they even included them unchanged (well... damaged) as homage. This simply is a new class of ISD and I think it´s great there´s something new. There have been so many great fan designs (Ansel Hsiao...), why shouldn´t they introduce a new SD in a new film? There´s no 'stomping on the "canon"' when you see unchanged old designs - even an old X-Wing wreck - and new designs which simply portray newer vessels in the same film.
     
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  18. rbeach84

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    Just thinking of "J.J.'s" track record, ala Star Trek... not having seen the other images you mention, I broke out a little 'sweat'. Good news then! So evolutionary designs, not replacements (as in re-writing "history") that works for me. Thanks!
    Regards, Robert
    PS: Got any links to those images, or was it all in the trailer? Sorry, I just Googled it...
     
  19. darth_daniel

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    All in the second trailer. :) Some awesome pics I think...
     
  20. rbeach84

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    Ah-ha! The 2nd trailer....!
    R/ Robert
     
  21. Keycube

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    Just theorizing...but I could see in the post-Death Star universe, traditional Star Destroyers piggybacking onto a larger payload section strictly used for more TIEs/ground assault equipment/Stormtroopers...which could possibly then be deployed to a planet itself for unloading its payload (the goofy front being a loading ramp type of thing).

    Then when it needed to be picked up, the SD could use a tractor beam for both attracting and repelling the payload section to and from the planet, sparing the use of extra fuel and engines to get it off the ground.

    Just dreamin'. :)
     
  22. Jedi Dade

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    Some pics of the new toys have been leaked... It looks like I was darn close to correct. Its kind of stacked. 1/4 of the way down.

    https://www.inverse.com/article/553...wars-toy-catalog-tells-us-about-force-awakens

    Now we all know the toys are notoriously inaccurate - BUT the general shape seems to jive with the trailer... so I'm going with it until proven otherwise :)

    I still like the idea of it splitting top-bottom...

    Jedi Dade
     
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  23. Jaitea

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  24. Dobber

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    Whoa! I like it! Thanks for posting that. :)

    Chris
     
  25. steve_jones

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    Brilliant good post maybe next project ;)

    <edit> pre ordered the blue print book
     
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  26. steve_jones

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    I got that book it was rubbish :)

    But a bit more reference has appeared online since force friday

    Top Image rendered ( off a wall sticker)

    FinalizerSD-Fathead.png

    And a better blue print not complete though

    TopSchematic.jpg

    You can get a better set of blue prints but it appears you have to buy a tshirt !

    159722.65.49301S7aysLAAAA-650x450-b-p-eee.jpg

    Still no good reference from the underside, I got a micro machines model its not ideal ..


    Steve
     
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  27. Victor3

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    Is it me, or does this look like it's supposed to be a heavily modified ISD?
    The engine block looks almost identical to me, while the bow and the "house" on top seem to be the main changes.

    Then again, I'm not one of the guys who've scrutinized the studio scale models.
     
  28. Dobber

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    Beautiful!

    Chris
     
  29. Jedi Dade

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    Past the general shape its really totally different then the main SD - even if you just take the top part.

    But what I really think about this beast is that its frikkin' awesome. I hope it kicks butt in the film and is not there for only 2 seconds.

    Jedi Dade
     
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  32. Robiwon

    Robiwon Master Member Gone but not forgotten.

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    I just don't get the tall wings on the shuttle that don't appear to move at all. Eh, maybe it will grow on me when I see the movie.
     
  33. Sluis Van Shipyards

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    I agree. If they don't swing down like the Lambda shuttle, it would make no sense.
     
  34. Joosh

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    Wait, this just hit me. The SD name is actually Finalizer.

    Okay. I was a little worried when they put JJ and his boys in charge. The things I'd seen lately eased my fears, now I'm back to being worried.

    As for the shuttle, I'm betting the upright wings fold down so that they're even with the lower portion of the ship. I say that because it looks like the doodlie where the guns terminate has a gap. The only reason I see for that is so that the wings fold down and it has more of a flying wing look to it.
     
  35. Furagu

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    The wings of the shuttle do fold down, if you look at the second trailer around 1:18 you can see them in a different angle.
     
  36. astroboy

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    Are there any toys out of the shuttle? What do the wings do on the Lego version?

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  37. Gnar Gnar Jinn

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    i've yet to see a toy with anything but static vertical wings... I'm curious as to what angle the shuttles wings go to, but they for sure angle out at least a bit in flight
     
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  39. mriconoclast

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    Roughed in 2.jpg Roughed in.jpg This is what I have at this point lots more work to do at 1/2256 it is a monster let me know what you think?
     
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  40. Constantine

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    That looks great and it looks you you have a nice size hobby room as well.
     
  41. computergeek

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    Wow, that's amazing! I really hope there's a kit at some point. The new SD design has grown on me
     
  42. Richard Baker

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    To be honest the new SD is about the only design from these new movies I really want a kit of. The T-70 is OK, but just about all the new ships look awkward and uninspired.
     

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