Force Awakens Prop Falcon at SWCA...FM?

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  1. Shingouki28

    Shingouki28 Well-Known Member

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    I'm not imagining it am I? This Falcon model on display at SWCA is a FineMolds isn't it? Note the jawbox shape, flat turret sides etc
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  2. Jaitea

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    Yep it's the FM......which is based on the 32" stunt Falcon,,,,,all images of the Force Awakens Falcon are based on the 5 footer ,....so this model is completely wrong,.......

    ......well apart for the dish

    J
     
  3. Timmythekid

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    Yeah, I'm definitely no expert, have never owned one, but the weird cockpit tube immediately jumped out at me as being the FM kit.
     
  4. FZ6

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    It's possible to get this shot bigger?

    I can't find it...
     
  5. Zombie_61

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    Of course, if they did use this as a filming miniature and it is the Fine Molds kit, that would make the Fine Molds kit canon!

    Well, apart from the dish. :D
     
  6. Clerval

    Clerval Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Just one of many done up for conceptualizing.
     
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  7. Laser Brain

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    A bunch of the FM Falcons and resin castings were built by the art department to work out the 1:1 set build and possible changes/upgrades for the EPVII Falcon. This is just one of around 10 various quick sketch models.
     
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  8. Laser Brain

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    ......

    - - - Updated - - -

    Actually, from day 1 everything was designed from a 32" ESB model (as far as the art department was concerned). This changed over time. Set dec did what they wanted using the greeblies they could source... and VFX went (mostly) with the ANH model in the end as ILM had a great digital asset of it.
     
  9. Jaitea

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    Well I'm glad they did Vos as the 32" is half the size and detail of the original Falcon

    I think fans would have been upset that the real Falcon wasn't used for the CG render

    J
     
  10. Laser Brain

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    I'm well aware of the size of the 32" Falcon in relation to the ANH. I'm betting I'm not the only one who prefers it though. The ANH model is a thing of beauty though.I'm glad those landing gear got fixed for Empire. ;-)
     
  11. Jaitea

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    No problem Vos, I wasn't questioning your knowledge,....just happy & relieved that the SFX guys didn't use a model for reference that was hardly ever seen in the films without motion blur

    J
     
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  12. Laser Brain

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    I know and fair enough, but the VFX guy's model in TFA will only ever be seen with motion blur, flying or twisting at full speed. All other shots will be determined by Art Dept, SFX, Construction and Set Dec due to their set build, which is neither 32" or 5'.

    Only people on this kind of site will actually pause and analyse it frame by frame. That's what keeps it interesting! :) ... and everyone on their toes, trying to do things right.

    All my favourite memories of the Falcon are of it twisting through the asteroids, on the back of a Star Destroyer or in the final Death Star 2 run and battle, not parked up or taking off in an awkward straight line. ;)
     
  13. Jaitea

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    Were you involved in the production Vos?

    J
     
  14. Laser Brain

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    Yes. Here and there.
     
  15. Jaitea

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    Cool,....that must have been a dream come true,...for me life couldn't get better than that!!!

    ......so.....in all honesty.....do you think the FM Falcon seen at the celebration was used on screen?

    Would there be any use for the VFX guys to film such a tiny model?

    J
     
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  16. DanielB

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    I would say almost certainly not. I am a visual effects artist for a living, and miniature spaceships are simply not done anymore, and really haven't been done in over a decade except for the recent Interstellar. Almost every spacecraft you have seen in the past decade is a CG render. Models are built for conceptualizing, but very rarely for actual VFX shot work, again, Interstellar being the only notable exception I can think of.
     
  17. Jaitea

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    Glad to hear that
    J
     
  18. DanielB

    DanielB Sr Member

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    Btw, if you guys do want some high res reference from the new teaser, Disney has uploaded some IMAX and 4K resolution stills from the trailer. Check it out...

    http://imgur.com/a/srn9P
     
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  19. Jaitea

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    Ohhhhhh........lovely!!!!!

    Thanks

    J
     
  20. Gungai1138

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    Any comments on the quality of this model build?

    I'll start: The rear landing gear are installed backwards. :)
     
  21. Jaitea

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  22. Gungai1138

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    Agreed, it was probably rushed due to time constraints. It's a great look behind the scenes.

    It's just such such a stark contrast to seeing the amazing builds of the same model built by forum members here. There are tons of missing parts, rough paintjob etc.

    Vos mentioned there were 10 other quick sketch models- I'd love to see more of those. And hear more tidbits like that...
     
  23. swgeek

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    Not to derail the conversation, but... As far as spaceship models go, unfortunately you might be right, spaceship models aren't used much anymore. But, as far as other miniatures, for actual on screen VFX work, miniatures are still used.
     
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  24. Mike J.

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    Those are awesome pics, thanks, Jaitea.

    Didn't even notice BB-8 in the new X-wing the first time around :)
     
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  25. Laser Brain

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    :) Absolutely not. They were just quick sketch models built for art department discussions/proof of concept. VFX have great digital assets of the Falcon.

    Lots of Falcon models in various set ups were quickly built for meetings... sometimes with half a day notice and some went in the bin. The quickest option was to utilise the FM kit.

    The X-Wing was also a very quick build... done as the drawings were still in flux, hence the lack of detail in places. This is one of two made. It looks like the armature might be shagged on this one though. Shame.

    We really wish that we could have gone to town on the models and created assets like Lorne and his guys did back in the good old days, but those times are gone. :-(

     
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  26. Jaitea

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    Yep thats what I thought,...thanks Vos

    J
     
  27. Laser Brain

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    No worries. :)
     
  28. Astro

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    To be honest this model took a fair amount of time to build and was rushed out for meetings etc. sadly things like landing gear get missed :(
     
  29. Jaitea

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    Cool,....were you the builder Astro?

    Was the dish scratched up?

    J
     
  30. Astro

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    yep

    I have no idea about the dish :( i am guessing 3d printed
     
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  31. crackerjazz

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    Very cool, Vos and Astro! I'm just saddened to hear that it's really the end of miniature ships for filming (actually I thought those props from John Carter made it on-screen). I was hoping for a combination of real models to complement the CGI because that's what Kathleen Kennedy promised as I read somewhere -- that they were bringing in real modelers. CGI makes the ships achieve movements not easily possible with real models but physical models make them look real. Plus they draw crowds to the exhibits -- just as the real 5-footer model does to this day. I wonder -- had the Hero Hasbro come out earlier -- would they have considered dressing one up. It would have been light enough to mount and film and cheap enough to bang up in crashes, etc.
     
  32. DanielB

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    I love models, but I am ok with them not being used in VFX anymore. A CGI Millennium Falcon CAN be made to look 100% real, if you have the time and budget. Shoddy CG happens when a shop has to do 1000 shots in 6 months. No one appreciates the time and care you must put into a CGI shot to make it really convincing. If ILM is given ample time and resources on their CG Falcon shots, there should be no reason why it won't look as good as a miniature. Rendering software today can perfectly mimic the way real light and materials work. It used to be about a lot of cheats and cutting corners, but that is not so much true today. Brute force light tracing will yield an extremely realistic image.
     
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  33. Jaitea

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    Great to have you here Astro

    & the utmost respect to you & Vos

    .....Vos was saying that several Falcons were made, were you in a team making them? ......That must have been some sight ,....a tower of those huge boxes

    J
     
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  34. Haystack Hair

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    Definitely a privilege to have you here Astro!!
    It's only if you were going to look up really close that you would be able to see the bits missing.....and even then, only Falcon obsessives like us would ever know hehehe

    PS how's about getting me in on the production action eh eh eh?? ;)
     
  35. Astro

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    I was :) It was a great thing to work on and a childhood dream of mine, plus working with Vos was a great.

    I would love to tell you more but i guess i will have to wait till Dec, Hopefully a lot more of are work will feature in the art book.
     
  36. Astro

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    Ha ha ha you never know

    The falcon is a pretty cool ship but for me its all about the snow speeder! I watched ESB so many times as a kid, mostly because the battle was at the start :) still my fav till this day
     
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  37. Jaitea

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    No problem Astro,....I wouldn't have quizzed you anyway......well......until the film is released:D

    I'm sure it was a dream,....I'd say many of us here wouldn't be building models if it weren't for the likes of yourself & Vos,....Star Wars kicked it off big time for me

    J
     
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  38. Hagoth

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    Thank you Astro and Vos for the great background insights. This explains a lot about little details I noticed on the models. nice to have you two around. :D:cool
     
  39. crackerjazz

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    Yeah, I realize that now, DanielB. There have been great strides in technology and the skills of the CG modelers, no doubt - the ships look pretty impressive in the trailers so their efforts are very much appreciated. It's really great to have you in our midst, Vos and Astro -- but hope you don't get frustrated with the Falcon-nitpicking -- die-hards abound here and models are examined to the atom, heheh. I do want to build a model of the EpVII Falcon with the rectangular dish someday --- and it looks like the Bandai release is just around the corner.
     
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  40. Jaitea

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    ......I know I'm a nitpicker:D

    ....cant help myself,.....sorry


    (on my headstone it'll probably say..."was that the 5 footer or the 32 inch")

    J
     
  41. astroboy

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    Wow.

    I love hearing about the behind the scenes on this stuff! It's great to have you both!
     
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  42. Laser Brain

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    Hey. No offence taken at all. I think everyone wouldn't loved to have seen high-quality, shooting miniatures made for TFA.

    I'm a huge 32 fan. It's funny... it was my scratch-built 32" Falcon that I built on Edge of Tomorrow (with a lot of help from members here with regards to IDing parts) that got me the concept model maker job in the first place. It just happened to be the same Supervising Art Director who took the TFA gig...

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    ... shame we never got a chance to make a perfect, large scale Falcon for the movie. But hey, I'm totally Ok with digital spacecraft. Those X-Wings flying over the water looked bad-*. :)
     
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  43. Laser Brain

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    Astro was on Falcon duty and I had some of my own projects. We shared a lot of models too, like the X-Wing for example. :)
     
  44. astroboy

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    Nice work on that falcon!
     
  45. astroboy

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    More pics of that 32'!!!!
     
  46. Hagoth

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    Wow Vos, that is one sweet looking 32 Falcon! I love seeing the process steps of raw parts assembly, primer, base coat, finished product. Very cool looking model.
     
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  47. crackerjazz

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    Wow!!! They should have offered to film your 32" instead!
     
  48. Vacformedhero

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    Hey. No offence taken at all. I think everyone wouldn't loved to have seen high-quality, shooting miniatures made for TFA.

    so.......without giving away any details , were there any sets build as models for scenes (like pod racer garage, palace from phantom )
    i always liked the detailed work that was put into these models....or did you have to mock up designs that were scanned for computer enhancement ?
     
  49. KramStaar

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    Astro, Vos, great work mates.

    I was with both Steve Gawley and Richard Edlund (at separate times) looking at the display and we all took a long time looking at specifically the Falcon and x-wing.
    Although the Falcon is too small for a film prop, very favourable comments and lots of reminiscing was done in front of the pieces on display.

    Great stuff fella's.

    Highest regards
    MARK
     
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  50. Jaitea

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    She looks a beauty Vos,....thats a real skill

    The Digital Falcon in the teasers look magnificent,....and now,.....we have a Falcon with glass in the window frames, if we want our future Ep7 models to look screen accurate!!

    J
     
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