[FINISHED ]Bandai Y-Wing - Red Jammer

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  1. StevenBills

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    Alrighty folks. 'Tis the season for building the Bandai Y-Wing, it seems, and I'm jumping on board. I recently built the Bandai 1/72 X-Wing as Blue Leader, and I needed a Red Jammer to go with it, so that's what this is going to be. I'm using the pics over at Modeler Magic that Steve Neisen took a while back of the original Red Jammer as reference, while looking at the Studio Scale Jammer that Jason built a while back as well, and sort of coming to a happy medium between the two. I also haven't decided yet if this will be an "idealized" Red Jammer (since it wasn't really completed yet when it got shipped over to the UK in '75), or if I'll be adding a red ring around the other engine cone as well. We'll see. With that said, I'm not going to be super picky about the parts: this will be an OOTB build, with red paint instead of yellow. Anyway, enough meandering. I had some time to work on it yesterday:

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    This kit has some pretty great details for how freaking small it is!

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    Masking off the canopy windows... I want a version with glass, and one without, so that required me to do some masking!

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    Getting it all laid out to paint.

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    It's interesting that Bandai decided to mold these parts instead of making them a decal, but it shouldn't surprise me too much, because of the red molding on the X-Wing. Oh well. Gotta paint it the base coat and then the red color (that I still need to decide on. Any ideas?), because there is some chipping in the red. one thing that I hope to do with this build is to paint as little coats as possible onto the model, for the sake of preserving the details. I ended up with about 14 layers of paint on the X (I wanted those darn massive, gaping panel lines to go away!), and thus some of the details went pretty soft. Oh well, you live and you learn.

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    All painted up. I decided upon using Model Master FS36492 Light Gray. It's warm-ish, but not as warm as Camo Gray. The blue canopy and engine parts are now gray, as are the yellow plastic markings.

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    Now we come to the L'Eggs parts, where there is some chipping going on. Both sides are different, but they share a black coat underneath it all (I think). Sprayed black, and then added some salt for the chipping. Crossing my fingers on this one.

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    And that's where I've left off this weekend. Hopefully I can get more done tomorrow!

    SB
     
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  2. DanielB

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    This is going to be cool. Did you ever post your Bandai X-Wing?
     
  3. StevenBills

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    I didn't, no. I can post a few pics here after work for those interested, though.

    SB
     
  4. astroboy

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    We're all interested!
     
  5. DanielB

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    Yeah, I'd like to see it.
     
  6. StevenBills

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    Okay here are some shots I took this evening of Blue Leader. Like I said earlier, I applied like 27 coats of paint, which made a lot of the details soft. And my painting could improve a lot at this small scale. It was tons of fun to build, though, and I picked up another because I decided to make Blue Squadron. Ignore the droopy cannon. Decals courtesy of Jason Eaton.

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    SOFT DETAILS!!!!!11one!1

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    Really like this one.

    Anyway.

    SB
     
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  7. DanielB

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    Cooooool.
     
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    Yep, it was a fun one. Back to the Y though.

    I couldn't sleep last night so I masked off the second L'Eggs cone first with liquid mask, and then with some salt around the edges to give it some more chipping.

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    I guess I got a little salt-happy at 3am. Ha

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    Painted it this morning and removed the salt and mask. Turned out pretty okay, I think. Those cones are both the same color, it's just that the shadow is harsher on the one on the right because it's closer to the desk lamp.

    That's all for now!

    SB
     
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    Looks good!

    My Y-wing was the first model I ever did using chipping effect.

    Just a warning....it can get away from you...FAST
     

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    Haha that's some good advice, astroboy. The Red Jammer doesn't look too beat up though compared to some of the other Y-Wings, but I'll be careful not to let it get away from me.

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  11. DanielB

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    Cool cool. How did you like the salt technique?
     
  12. StevenBills

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    I like it a lot. I feel that both salt (depending on the scale of the model) and liquid masking have their places. On this model, since it's 1/72 scale, I think that table salt works great for chipping like this.

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  13. DanielB

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    Keep in mind also, that various salts come in different sizes. For 1/72nd scale stuff, I use salt packets from McDonalds because the grains are smaller and more in scale.
     
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    Noted.

    Not really sure this warrants an update, but I've got the parts that need to be painted red all masked off with tape and salt for the chips.

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    Next time you see these, they'll be red!

    And speaking of the red color, I've seen a LOT of variations for this bird, from straight-up dark red, to almost orange, and everywhere in between. My question is, what should I go with for this bird? It's smaller in scale, so possibly red with some of the base coat mixed in so that it's lighter?

    Any help would be appreciated.

    SB
     
  15. Mike J.

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    Yes, generally the smaller a model is, the 'lighter' your paint job should be. Small, dark / saturated models don't have realistic 'scale.'

    If it helps, consider it to be a way of simulating the amount of air in between you and the 'real' object. Standing right next to a real car / tank / aircraft? Not so much hazy air in between you and it. If the real 'it' is so far away that it appears to be the size of a toy / model, then there's a lot of air in between you two. That slightly washed out appearance is what you're trying to capture.

    There may be a specific term for this, but it escapes me at the moment.


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  16. darth_myeek

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    Atmospheric Perspective?
     
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    Sounds good, I'll take it! All I could think of was zenithal lighting, and I know that wasn't it.
     
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    This is a great little kit. While he'd like to remain anonymous, I know the CAD artist that was tasked with handling most of its design--he used original kit parts as reference. Look forward to seeing what you come up with.
     
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    Oh that's cool! Well tell him he did a great job! This kit goes together incredibly well, and the detail is astounding for something of this scale. Kudos.

    And about the atmospheric perspective, yes, I believe that's the correct term. I'll try some red with a drop or two of yellow, and then a drop or two of the base coat and see where that gets me.

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  20. astroboy

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    The one thing I noticed when I saw the red jammer at the exhibit is that yes, the paint is red, but it looked as if there was a layer of dust on it
     
  21. StevenBills

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    Yeah, it's hard to tell under 40 years of dust! And for that very reason, I went a bit darker with mine. Mixed red, yellow, light gray, and black. Turned out a bit dark, but I'm going to shoot the model with a very thinned down version of the base coat when everything is done, just to help unify everything. The photos make it look darker than it actually is.

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    Hope to get some more building done tomorrow!

    SB
     
  22. DanielB

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    Lookin' good!
     
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    Small update: I had some time this afternoon so I masked off all of the parts that needed to be yellow, like the canopy, and the front end of the engine. I used liquid mask for these parts, and I really like how it turned out (although there is salt in the first pic, it fell off before painting because I accidentally touched it whilst taping it to the cardboard backing). The yellow is about 7 parts white to 3 parts yellow. It'll get some more weathering, don't you worry.

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    Then I fit the head together with the red markings, and laid the canopy on top just to see...

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    I'm liking how it's coming so far, and then I moved onto the bottom side...

    ...and I about had a heart attack. You see, there is a little piece that acts as the landing gear cover that I had carefully set aside on a piece of blue tape, thinking to myself, "This sucker ain't going ANYwhere." Well, the iPad that I look at reference on was standing on the table and leaning against the wall. Well, it was at too steep of an angle, and the iPad fell over, scattering all of the little pieces onto the floor. I managed to scrounge around and find everything except for that darned landing gear cover. It's tiny. Anyway, after about 15 minutes of solid looking, I picked up the garbage, and started sifting through...

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    Does anyone see it?




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    I'll give you a hint:
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    I FOUND IT!!!!!! Right there in the trash, still stuck to the piece of blue tape.

    So after the rescue mission, I needed to figure out how to secure the hatch solidly enough to stick, but still be able to be handled without falling off. This is where some amazing neodymium magnets come into play. These suckers are small (The ones I'm using here are 1/10" in diameter and 1/32" thick) , and strong. So I glued one into the space where the landing gear goes, and one onto the tip of the hatch, and it sticks beautifully, even though the magnets aren't touching.

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    And the best part is, that the landing gear still fits into the slot perfectly. No trimming needed or nuthin'. Worked like a charm.

    That's all for now!

    SB
     

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    Small update: Started putting the body together, and I'm really enjoying it. This kit goes together really well!

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    This is where I left off last night.

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    Some of these pieces are itty-bitty!

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    Next up is the pipes on the body, which I'm not really looking forward to.

    Anyway, that's all for today!

    SB
     
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    Be very careful with the pipes on the body; somebody else snapped a few trying to fit them on there. Maybe have some wire or stretched sprue handy.


    -MJ
     
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    Yes, I indeed found out that these babies are tiny, and will break if not applied carefully, fiddly little buggers! Finally finished adding the pipes to the body, and now I think I'm cross-eyed haha.

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    Moving onto the engines next.

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  27. DanielB

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    Dat detail! :D
     
  28. StevenBills

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    The macro lens isn't very forgiving, that's for sure!

    SB
     
  29. StevenBills

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    Woah. Turns out having a kid turns things into a time warp. This model has sat on the shelf gnawing at my brain for the last year-plus, and since that time I've stripped the paint several times because I wasn't happy with it. Also finished my basement so that I could have a dedicated hobby room, etc...

    SO.

    I basically started back at zero on this guy, which gave me a good opportunity to start over with Tamiya acrylic paints. So for the base coat of the body I sprayed AS-20, which is Insignia white. The red markings on the head are just straight up Tamiya red with Winsor & Newton chipping fluid to get the chips underneath. The salt just wasn't doing the chips in-scale, and I wasn't happy with them. The copper on the pipes (I know not all the pipes on Red Jammer were copper, so shoot me) is mixed with a bit of flat black to make them a bit more grungy looking.

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    After these photos were taken, I assembled the engines onto the body, hit it with three coats of PFM, and then let that sit overnight. Today I started applying decals as well as some basic weathering. It's hard to not be too heavy-handed with these small ships, but I think subtlety is the key here.

    Also, has anyone ever heard of weathering with watercolor paints? I tried it for the slightly brown-ish looking wash on the right nacelle, and it came out better than I thought it would.

    More pics tomorrow.

    SB
     
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    I've heard of weathering with water colors but I've never tried it. I think I'm going to try chalk pastels on my next project.
     
  31. StevenBills

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    Here are some more pics from where I left off last night. Forgot to snap the canopy down before I shot these, but such is life.

    You can see the watercolor brown-ish wash on the right nacelle in this pic.
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    Today it's more decals and then sealing them with a few coats of PFM. Also, just remember that this isn't strictly accurate to the Red Jammer studio model. I just loved the red and yellow color combination on that bird, so I thought I'd do an interpretation of it myself.

    Thanks for looking.

    SB
     
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    I recently experimented doing the "oil dot filter technique" with Vallejo Model Color instead. I simply used like 3 drops of Retarder Medium with one or two drops of paint. Suddenly, the acrylics behaved like oils. It worked great.
     
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    Relatively on topic: I shot some LEGO models that my brother made today, and to test the backdrop/lighting setup/camera settings, I used my model:

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    And here are a few shots of his LEGO models, if anyone's interested:

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    SB
     
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    Looks great so far!

    As far as watercolor washes, I haven't tried them simply because being water soluble, I would be afraid of it running when apply acrylic washes or even a sealant. I could be wrong though

    I typically stick with oil washes/filters to achieve the same effect. I just thin the oils down with Weber Oderless Turpenoid

    I also use acrylic washes. It helps to use something like rubbing alcohol to thin or, or to add just a touch of dish washing liquid if using water to thin it to help break the surface tension and avoid those "rings" when it dries
     
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    Did a little bite more, and now I'm calling it done. Like I said earlier in the thread, this is a loose interpretation of Red Jammer.

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    The rest of the images can be found here: https://flic.kr/s/aHskS67QMN

    Thanks for following along.

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    * man, they are all impressive builds. I love them all!!

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    Nice job!
     
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    Thanks guys, it was a fun build.

    SB
     
  39. Toadmeister

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    Love it, great subject and markings choice.

    Did think it reminded me a little of Ronald McDonald with those colors! Respect, not a criticism.

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    Great work!

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  41. ecl

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    very nice!! Love the copper colored piping details. This kit is by far one of the best Star Wars model kits out there. The detail is immense.
     
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    That looks great, can I ask what colours you used for the grey of the body?
     
  43. StevenBills

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    Yes, the colors are as follows:

    - Body/Engines/head: Tamiya AS-20 Insignia White
    - Pipes: Testor's MM copper mixed with black 4:1
    - L'eggs cones: white
    - Gray chipping: Tamiya XF-20 Medium gray
    - Red markings : Tamiya red
    - Yellow: Tamiya yellow

    Weathering done with watercolors (the brown sludge on the right nacelle), blast marks done with pastels, and then it was all sealed with MM acrylic flat coat.

    Thanks for looking.

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