Female Predator Discussion

[Estelle]

considering the fact about some of earths creatures, female predators should be stronger. in earth, lionesses are the ones who hunt, so it kinda would make sense if the female predators are better than males.

but that would be scary; other than the fact of her being a creature, i cant imagine being hunted by a female predator with a voluptuous body.

Yes, there are species on earth whose females are in general larger and more powerful than the males…One species that comes to mind is Crocuta, Crocuta ( spotted hyena) seeing this type of “reverse” sexual dimorphism in mammals is rare. Now if Preds are like the hyenas,than your fantasy of being stalked by a huge she pred with a voluptuous body ends here, lol. One of the reasons the Hyena female is larger and stronger than the male is because she has super, duper high levels of testosterone…so much in fact that she has a pseudo-penis.

Now speaking of the lioness, yes she’s one powerful creature but she’s not as strong as the male nor larger. The successes of her hunting lies in the cooperation of her and her sisters ( pride members) not her brute strength, although she is strong. She’s by far faster and more agile than the male and this also accounts for her success as a hunter.
There was once a documentary on Discovery that feature a rouge male lion who had came upon an un guarded pride of females with cubs. Male lions are known practicers of infanticide. They will kill the offspring of any rival male, which will induce a heat period in the females and he’ll then breed these same females himself.
Well these females, about 5 of them decided they were going to attack the male in hopes of driving him away.. Well guess what.!?! They didn’t . He handled them all, sometimes three of them on him at once. Finally they gave up and sadly he finished off the cubs.
~Estelle

 

[Yautja Queen]

in the most nonperverted (and yet, the most perverted) ways possible, do the female preds have breasts and a curvacious body? we have to be able to distinguish the two sexes. do they have longer dreadlocks? are there extra mandibles longer or shorter? do they have any special characteristics in their face? are they in any way attractive to the male preds? r we supposed to be attracted to their body(not their face!!!)? are they even distinguishable from males??? do they have breasts and a curvacious body?

yes. i said that twice.

Yes, thats something I would like to know. I suppose to us humans it would make more sense if they looked like our females, ie, with breasts and slightly bigger hips. I know you cant assume that they would look like that because the are afterall an alien species. But you cant deny that the male preds are simlilar to human males in anatomy, ie Abs and ribs, arms and legs, etc, you know what I mean. BUT, with a mouth like they have, Im not so sure that young preds would be breast fed with milk. Unless they dont get the tooth like things at the end of their mandables untill they are old enough not to be breast fed. Kind of how our babies dont have teeth for a while, usually. So, I am not too sure, WHat does everyone else think?

 

[Deepcrush]

predation

considering the fact about some of earths creatures, female predators should be stronger. in earth, lionesses are the ones who hunt, so it kinda would make sense if the female predators are better than males.

Oh god, this couldn't make sense if I were drunk blind. Who hunts what doesn't make them better, bigger, stronger or anything else above another. "I" could hunt a lion though that doesn't make me better, the .50cal rifle does, but I as a human am no better then the lion.

JehdinThwei

The Iroquois Nation (one of the most powerful tribes in history) had a matriarchal society (run by women). They did not fight. The men did. The women made the big decisions though.

....just throwing it out there as random and useless trivia

Infact that isn't random or useless. Its very much to the point on the matter as an example of a hunter/warrior culture to which the females are rarely seen yet hold great power within the culture itself.

Estelle

You points on the lions indeed holds value to the Preds. Where female lions, even in groups cannot defeat a male in melee. The same may have once been true of Male/Female Preds. However, the great equalizer of all things comes to be and that is having a weapon. I may be stronger then you Estelle, but put a plasma caster blast in my chest and my biceps really won't change the outcome...

Weapons, make all things equal. There for if female preds are able to defend themselves even in an aggressive male culture. The males must at some point subject themselves to the females judgement. If the males are so often away then it would make sense that the females would take charge to handle things while they are away.

 

[Deepcrush]

Yes, thats something I would like to know. I suppose to us humans it would make more sense if they looked like our females, ie, with breasts and slightly bigger hips. I know you cant assume that they would look like that because the are afterall an alien species. But you cant deny that the male preds are simlilar to human males in anatomy, ie Abs and ribs, arms and legs, etc, you know what I mean. BUT, with a mouth like they have, Im not so sure that young preds would be breast fed with milk. Unless they dont get the tooth like things at the end of their mandables untill they are old enough not to be breast fed. Kind of how our babies dont have teeth for a while, usually. So, I am not too sure, WHat does everyone else think?

The most likely conclusion by what is offered in media, both canon and fluff, is that female preds would look strongly similar to human males. Though this is of course relative to how much any human looks to any pred.

The female body is designed to bare and rear offspring. Breast for food, hips for supporting the added weight of the breasts and the unborn.

 

[Nritja]

I belong to the group (yes I know I will properly make myself unpopular now among some of the hardcore fans

 

[Deepcrush]

N'ritja, I think you'll find most hardcore fans will agree with your stance on canon. Normally its the fanboys/girls who can't tell the difference between fanfic and canon films.

I also wish I could ignore AVP2 and RR, but to be fair to canon. We have to include them as well or we're as guilty as the fanfics.

 

[Estelle]

Yes, thats something I would like to know. I suppose to us humans it would make more sense if they looked like our females, ie, with breasts and slightly bigger hips. I know you cant assume that they would look like that because the are afterall an alien species. But you cant deny that the male preds are simlilar to human males in anatomy, ie Abs and ribs, arms and legs, etc, you know what I mean. BUT, with a mouth like they have, Im not so sure that young preds would be breast fed with milk. Unless they dont get the tooth like things at the end of their mandables untill they are old enough not to be breast fed. Kind of how our babies dont have teeth for a while, usually. So, I am not too sure, WHat does everyone else think?

Now that there sweetie is something I have no idea about. Lol. But I agree with you on one thing though. If female predators do have breast and do breast feed, I’m thinking that baby preds ( which I imagine are adorable) most likely wouldn’t have tusk/teeth at the time.
From what few glimpses I can catch on film of a male predator’s bare chest…it would appear that they lack nipples.
Now, because I see no nipples on the male, I would like to say that the females must lack them as well. I say this because nipples are usually present in both sexes of most mammal species.( both men and women have nips) But then, there are always the exceptions…while mares and female rats breast feed and have nipples the males of these species totally lack them. So I’m totally clueless as to weather or not female preds have breast. I my artwork and fanfics I picture them w/o breast
I believe female preds would have wide/wider hips though, this enables them to give birth easier.
~Estelle

 

[A Hunters Moon]

This is great! Mainly because I have some very clear cut ideas on this subject. I wrote up something a year or two back that contained some ideas I had on female Preds. I never posted it because it was really just fan fiction stuff.

It described the females as virtually the same size as the males. The only real difference being their coloring and hunting technique. In it I tell of how the females reach maturity during a spawning season in where the stronger males of the society would impregnate them. The pregnancy would be treated like a holy thing. The female would go into labor but would often die during birth or be killed as a rite of passage. The very reason why we'd never seen a female on film or while on a hunt.

Pick away at me if you will. lol

 

[Estelle]

No Picking away here..I agree with you on pregnancy and birth being seen as a holy thing among predators. I recall reading in the Monette novel, the one based on the movie screen play, that preds. believe in a type of reincarnation. Death wasn’t seen in their eyes as it is in ours…when they kill a creature or when a pred. dies, it’s like a snake shedding its skin. The skin being the body..the snake being the soul.

With such a belief, it could be possible that the predators believe that when a female is giving birth, that she could possibly be giving birth to the reincarnation of a hunter who has died and that would be viewed as something highly sacred.
That sound kind of harsh them killing her though. Seems they’d keep her around..more babies!!! Lol.
~Estelle

 

[A Hunters Moon]

I figured that would be the first nit pick. It was just an idea within the spawning season. In my story the birth was seen as a holy thing but not so much the mate. Of course they wouldn't kill a defenseless mate so that probably doesn't fit into the mythos.

 

[swift kinfe]

The thought of females being bigger and more mean reminds me of the berserker from gears of war.I have to ask do other preds have to chain them down just to mate?This also reminds me of one realy bad pred book in my oppinion I read forever midnight wasnt it?Were preds live "2 lives" by growing a dog then later retacting to an outlett?I honestly cant think that works though it would just seems so out of it.I just cant see a hunter like wolf gaining an outlett and growing boobs.

 

[Deepcrush]

A Hunter's Moon

While most of your idea is fine, the act of killing a mate would go against what we saw in P2 where the pred even though under risk of attack spared the life of women with child. If they treat their prey like this, its more then likely that they treat their own females far far better.

swift kinfe

Forever Midnight was a piece of trash. They renamed the preds as Hish, they couldn't walk. Used slaves and drones to hunt for them and had trouble fighting humans in hand to hand combat. The book should be burned... with the author.

 

[Tsurabisu]

Well, I finally found my AVP: Prey book. Here's a passage it has about females.
Page 24.
"Lou-dte kalei" was a joke, really, a derogatory term that was sometimes used for a female--literally, "child-maker." Not that Dachande had ever heard the name spoken to a female's face. A warrior who would dare such would not be wise, for an insulted and angry yautja female was not something even a not-too-wise male wanted to create. Assuming the warrior was armed and expert, it might almost be an even match, but Dachande would put his wager on the female. His most recent partner had tossed him across a room during the heat of their mating and that had been an accident.

I know that some of you don't take the books as cannon, but we'll say for the sake of argument that it is cannon. What this tells me is that the females are physically stronger. Usually that means bigger, but I'll admit that it doesn't ALWAYS have to be that way. But for something to be able to toss a full grown male Yautja across the room by accident? I'd say she'd have to be either bigger or amazingly buff to do that. But here, let's read on.

Page 218
Dachande lifted the rest of the weak armor away from the warrior's chest and then hissed, surprised. If Ooman anatomy was anywhere similar to Yautja, this warrior was a female; he hadn't thought of it before. It had a pair of what were obviously milk glands. Stupid! Of course it's female! Yautja females were bigger than males; it was apparently the reverse for Oomans. It had never occurred to him. That was stupid; simple mistakes like that could lead to bigger ones, fatal ones. It also explained why this warrior was smarter than most of the Yautja he taught. Females of any species were usually smarter than the males.


Since the AVP film was actually loosely based on this book, I believe it to be cannon, but everyone's entitled to their own beliefs. Also, someone had asked about Yautja female having breasts. I believe that this answered that question as well. And for the Yautja young... Pretty much every book and comic I've read that spoke about the young called them "Suckers." to me, that name implies breast feeding.

 

[Scrapps]

It looks like it's been a while since any one last posted in this but I'll add in my two cents. I'm making a femme pred right now and as far as what I'm planning to do with mine is I'm planning to increase my height slightly but not drastically. My bf is 5'10" and with pred feet, probably 6'. I'm only 5'3" so, there is no way I'm getting to 6'+ without looking obviously stilted. I think I can get away with 5'8", maybe 5'10" without looking weird. Regardless of whether females are actually bigger or not, the story I'm sticking to is that my femme pred is just unusually short, like the Danny DeVito or Joe Pesci equivalent of a female pred.

As for breasts, I'm putting them on my pred because regardless of whether they have it or not, it's recognizable to the general public as a female and I'm always for a little bit of sex appeal. Another thing I'm definately going for are very wide hips. Humans already have a hard enough time with childbirth with the size of our heads, imagine trying to give birth to a predator. Ouch!

And if anyone decides to get on my case about the biology of it all when I'm at the con, I'll just say to look at the platypus.

 

[TehEl1te]

Eh... I personally don't think predator females should have any sex appeal... at all... Nor do i think they should have breasts... More sleek body perhaps... thinner, feminine jaw structure, maybe smaller and more dreads perhaps... but honestly... im tired of seeing every damn thing that is male in a movie get torn up by half naked women looking for the attention of men. Half naked femme troopers, you know what im saying. I disagree with scrapps on the breasts and "always for a little bit of sex appeal" idea with the predator. I mean, to each his/her own... do what you want to do... but if you are talking trying to make it "realistic" I personally don't think sex appeal is anything remotely close that can be tied to a predator.

I think instead of the usual bikini armor butchering of the costume to distinguish female... the mannarisms (spelling? ha) is what would capture the female. Act like a female... I imagine female predators being more catty, sly, and elegant when they hunt... kind of like a cat honestly. The predators so far... have all been for functionality... take what you need... not "im always for a little bit of sex appeal".

Scrapps, you are thinking way too much along the lines of what a HUMAN distingishes as a female... unfortunately in your defense... nobody can really say what a female predator really "should" look like until we see one pop up in a movie. Which would be very cool to see.

 

[Scrapps]

Eh... I personally don't think predator females should have any sex appeal... at all... Nor do i think they should have breasts... More sleek body perhaps... thinner, feminine jaw structure, maybe smaller and more dreads perhaps... but honestly... im tired of seeing every damn thing that is male in a movie get torn up by half naked women looking for the attention of men. Half naked femme troopers, you know what im saying. I disagree with scrapps on the breasts and "always for a little bit of sex appeal" idea with the predator. I mean, to each his/her own... do what you want to do... but if you are talking trying to make it "realistic" I personally don't think sex appeal is anything remotely close that can be tied to a predator.

I think instead of the usual bikini armor butchering of the costume to distinguish female... the mannarisms (spelling? ha) is what would capture the female. Act like a female... I imagine female predators being more catty, sly, and elegant when they hunt... kind of like a cat honestly. The predators so far... have all been for functionality... take what you need... not "im always for a little bit of sex appeal".

Scrapps, you are thinking way too much along the lines of what a HUMAN distingishes as a female... unfortunately in your defense... nobody can really say what a female predator really "should" look like until we see one pop up in a movie. Which would be very cool to see.

Sex appeal in moderation of course. I do want to avoid the playboy boobs and impractical metal bikini but at the same time, I do like to be able to tell it is female at a glance. For example, I don't like half naked bikini storm troopers but I do like a femme storm trooper fully clothed with a molded chest plate. So, everything in moderation, I would say.

 

[TehEl1te]

I can understand that for sure.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

We tend to create fictional universes around what we know. Thus the preds are all stylized off of our selfs and our world in one way or another.

In my book (never finished the ending) the females were not much different. Depending on their purpose, they could be just as "buff" as the male hunter or warrior. The only difference was the shape of the head and face was a bit different different. Also they didn't give birth, they laid eggs. The females also had a telepathic ability between other females and were in smaller numbers then the males.

 

[Ice1]

I've heard this as well about the Female Preds being larger but I always figured they be more like the Alien females in AVATAR. Put some bio masks on them and you got a female predator. I always pictured them this way, even before the movie..

Quick edit:

Here's a pic:

 

[Usurper]

thats passable ice.

nice ice