If they had made a Fantastic Four movie in the 1960s, here's my choices for the cast:
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Tan Djarka
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I'm not saying it's a bad choice, but Vanessa Kirby isn't the one I would make. Don't get me wrong, there is something about her that intrigues me (the only reason I picked up a copy of Hobbs and Shaw), but I'm not convinced she's right for the part.
And rest of the cast? Probably not any better. I'm not ready to condem to movie outright, but I guess we'll have to wait and see.
And rest of the cast? Probably not any better. I'm not ready to condem to movie outright, but I guess we'll have to wait and see.
Laspector
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When I heard Ben was gonna be from The Bear, I was thinking the other dude. Personally, I would've preferred the other guy. But, we'll see. As for Sue, I've never even heard of this gal. The guy playing Johnny, I liked him on Stranger Things, but would've never considered him.
I think I'll re-read the Jonathan Hickman run this weekend.
I thought he would have been a good Dr Strange, but I think Cumberbatch has done a great job.
joberg
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Julia Garner cast in Marvel Studios' The Fantastic Four to portray Shalla-Bal incarnation of Silver Surfer
- Garner, 30, will join Pedro Pascal, Vanessa Kirby, Joseph Quinn and Ebon Moss-Bachrach in the Marvel motion picture
- Matt Shakman will direct, while Josh Friedman, Jeff Kaplan and Ian Springer penned the script
- Production on the tentpole film is slated to commence this summer, with a release date of July 25, 2025
Screw Silver Surfer, and the FF; they won't do Doom justice! Dr. Doom is the best thing to ever come from the FF and I know already that they will not do him right. He cannot be a joke and he cannot just be a "bad guy." The good doctor has more in common with Walter White in complexity and the team behind it cannot write him like he ought to be. If there's any truth to Cavill to play him, too; wrong, wrong, wrong! Doom isn't reliant on an intimidating physical presence, Doom's greatest ability is the projection of his reach and powers in true Machiavellian fashion. Doom can do anything and everything and nobody can stop him. In terms of both ability (super or otherwise) and legality. Once in the armor, he should be almost transcendent of humanity. He becomes a silhouette, a shape, an idea. The idea of power.
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Cue the "But she was Silver Surfer in the comics!" guy to justify this terrible decision.
I have never, and will never, care about the derivative versions of superheroes.
Peter Parker is Spider-Man, Steve Rogers is Captain America, and Norrin Radd is the Silver Surfer.
I have never, and will never, care about the derivative versions of superheroes.
Peter Parker is Spider-Man, Steve Rogers is Captain America, and Norrin Radd is the Silver Surfer.
I would rather not see Doom as the bad guy in the first FF movie, I would rather see Victor and Reed as friends and colleagues who work together against the first movie bad guy so I really get to know/like Victor first. Then, when he does become Dr. Doom, the hurt and betrayal will be felt more by me and the FF team.
I give leeway to things that make the superhero who they are in that instance. Mjolner makes Thor and Beta-Ray Bill, the board (and to some extent, Galactus) makes the Surfer, etc. Taking and wearing Magneto's helmet won't make you Magneto.
It's why I hate the multiverse stories so much because it's never just a new character with abilities, it's just someone with the same or similar enough character traits of the original with artificial contrivances layered on top. The second "Into the Spiderverse" movie cemented that for me.
Doom should have his own mini-series. I've said this for dog's years.
The first two or three episodes should be feature length, based heavily on Books of Doom, and detail his background, upbringing, political climate (reset the events during the Cold War and Latveria being a socialist republic); the contentious "frienemy" relationship Reed and Doom always had (Doom should always be a bit of a prick) and eventual fallout that leads to Doom's return and revolution in Latveria, where he establishes himself as sole ruler. The rest should be isolated, contained, singular stories that show more or less Doom's power and reach across different incidents across different time spans. Some directly and indirectly involving him and they should be varying in tone; sometimes more grim and dramatic, other times more benevolent and "fun," but always showing him as an untouchable and immovable figure. Like Magneto, the majority of the best stories about him are not showcasing what a fiend he is, but the lengths he goes to achieve a goal and despite how objectionable they may be, more often than not, we sympathize and understand that he's in the right.
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Yup. That's the same reason why I don't like the character swap What If? stories. If all you're doing is swapping out one character for another (Carter becomes Captain Britain or Jane becomes Lady Thor) but every story beat is the same, it's not interesting. I prefer the ones that make profound changes to the character or at least present a fun twist like Spider-Man joining the F4 or something along those lines.
Ron I've always found that DC was better at telling their "Elseworlds" ideas with their roster. I think because their roster isn't as strong as Marvel's, there's great ideas to milk from their characters as they're more malleable and open to reshaping.
Oddly enough, specifically Superman.
Because his abilities are conditional, him going to different worlds affects his powers. There's a story where he's gone to Apokalips and gets whomped by Darkseid because the planet is way outside Earth's (and Krypton's) environment that Superman is left weak and ineffective, and Darkseid spares him because he's a literal god on his planet.
Hell, stories where he lands in countries in times outside the USA that ultimately reshape him range the gamut. Two notable stories I recall are Red Son and Superman: True Brit.
Oddly enough, specifically Superman.
Because his abilities are conditional, him going to different worlds affects his powers. There's a story where he's gone to Apokalips and gets whomped by Darkseid because the planet is way outside Earth's (and Krypton's) environment that Superman is left weak and ineffective, and Darkseid spares him because he's a literal god on his planet.
Hell, stories where he lands in countries in times outside the USA that ultimately reshape him range the gamut. Two notable stories I recall are Red Son and Superman: True Brit.
For those of you keeping track at home, you can now reset your counter. At the sound of the chime, it will have been [0] days since someone complained about a Marvel casting decision involving women or minorities.
>ding!<
And the inevitable whiners about whining...
Solo4114
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And the whiners about whining about whining...
Solo4114
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And the whining about the whiners who...um...hold on. I lost count of how many layers down we are.
Anyway, round and round we go!
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