Fallout: New Vegas Brush Gun - Finished (pg 2)

Discussion in 'Replica Props' started by CynderBloc, Mar 6, 2012.

  1. CynderBloc

    CynderBloc Active Member

    Trophy Points:
    341
    Hey all,

    I'm currently in the middle of an NCR Vet Ranger build (which is taking me a long time.....). To get a break from it, I decided that instead of just buying a replica Peacemaker or Colt Navy revolver which was my original plan, I'd see how quickly I could knock together a Brush Gun. I have a few days off, so lets go!

    Most of you will know what the Brush Gun is, but for those who don't:

    [​IMG]

    Yes, it's a lever action rifle, mainly carried by the NCR Veteran Rangers. Perfect weapon for my costume.

    As far as I am aware, it is based on a Winchester 1886, but I'm not 100% so don't quote me on that.

    Anyway, after some thought I decided I didn't like the short ammo tube or the look of the receiver, so I had a look around the web and found this texture mod:

    [​IMG]

    This was far better looking in my opinion, so I went with this one.

    I started building it last night, but it didn't even occur to me to take photos at first so I'll have to describe the first couple of hours.

    First things first, using the in-game render (top photo), I drew up some plans and cut the shape of the stock plus half of the receiver out of 6mm MDF. (I left the section of receiver a bit longer to let me clamp it while I'm working on it)

    My plan is to have an MDF central spine, with pink foam building up the shape of the stock.

    The reasoning behind this was I had attempted a Fallout Sniper rifle a few months back making the whole stock from solid MDF, and although I got the general shape right, it just got far too tedious trying to sand it into shape (plus the fact it weighed a ton)

    I glued the pink foam on using some PVA glue and left it overnight. Once it was dry I sanded the general shape of the stock by hand. The tight areas took a while as my Dremel has decided to do a disappearing act on me....

    The 'cutout' part at the back of the receiver is for the hammer, I'm just going to make it out of some acrylic and glue it in last thing

    [​IMG]

    Once I had the general shape, I filled the cracks between the sections of foam and the areas where I had accidentally taken out chunks while I was sanding with standard wall filler (I remember reading a while back that body fillers dissolve the foam)

    [​IMG]

    When dry I gave the entire stock a couple of coats of casting plastic (I used Polytek Easyflo 95, most people seem to use Smooth-cast but it's hard to get in the UK). This is so I can coat the stock in body filler, firstly to beef it up a touch and secondly so I can add some wood splits later

    [​IMG]

    Makeshift drying stand...:)
    [​IMG]

    While that was drying I started cutting the sections of MDF that will make up the receiver and the spine of the foregrip

    [​IMG]

    It was getting pretty late here, so I just had time to do one more quick thing. Prepping the barrel and ammo tube for painting, which, weather depending, I should get done tomorrow afternoon.

    The barrel and ammo tube are 16mm clear acrylic pipe. I did make a bit of a whoopsie, as I ordered a 2m length assuming that both the barrel and ammo tube were the same diameter, the barrel is actually a couple of millimetres wider, but I can get around that with a couple of extra coats of primer

    [​IMG]

    Hopefully I'll have an update up tomorrow, but like I said, it's weather depending...
     
    Last edited: Jul 12, 2012
  2. CynderBloc

    CynderBloc Active Member

    Trophy Points:
    341
    Re: Fallout: NV Brush Gun/Trail Carbine WIP

    So as expected, the weather today was horrendous. I got very little done outside apart from priming and putting some filler on the barrel and ammo tube.

    Also, there was a disaster, but I'll save that for the end of the post.....

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    I just slopped some filler on the barrel to widen it a touch, intending to sand it down smooth. However, when I had rough sanded it to shape, I realised that it actually gives it a 'worn over the years' look. Might save on some weathering later down the road

    [​IMG]

    Barrel and ammo tube glued together, the masking tape is for support while it's drying

    [​IMG]


    Ok........now for the disaster.

    Being the stupid idiot that I am, I scaled each piece separately without bothering to place them together to check overall size....

    I hade an inkling it was going badly as the reciever just looked too big as I was gluing it together earlier. The whole piece turned out to be about 150mm longer than it should.

    150mm may not seem like a lot when your talking about a rifle that can range from 900mm to 1200mm, but I'm not the tallest guy in the world and it just looked huge on me.

    I can salvage the barrel, but the rest of the build needs to be redone. Considering I had given myself a 3 day window for this, I am going at breakneck speed now.

    To save precious seconds, instead of drawing up more plans, I just fired the in game render onto my TV and traced a rough outline on card. Then, rather than gluing it on to the MDF, I just traced around the outline with a sharpie


    [​IMG]


    The pieces are being glued at the minute, and, in the interest of saving more time, I hoked out the Araldite Rapid that I had used earlier... I use it when I'm repairing golf clubs, hopefully I don't have to repair any soon as I'm going to be out of it by the time this is done
     
  3. CynderBloc

    CynderBloc Active Member

    Trophy Points:
    341
    Re: Fallout: NV Brush Gun/Trail Carbine WIP - Day 3 Update

    Ok, day number 3 is coming to a close

    Fission Mailed....even with the screw up with the size, 3 days was probably too tight for me to finish. Ah well, it's starting to come together and hopefully will be ready for painting either tomorrow or Saturday


    Got a bit of a late start today, weather wasn't great this morning and the first thing I needed to do was some body filler work :facepalm

    Before I started anything though, I did a test fit to see if I had got the dimensions right this time


    [​IMG]


    Looked pretty good, so I glued the barrel into place with more Araldite


    The next hour or so was a bit of a rush, I got a break in the weather to get outside and do what filling I wanted, so there's a lack of pictures.

    Essentially I filled the cutout sections of the receiver around the barrel, and used more filler to level off the areas for the foregrip so I can glue pieces of foam on later

    Unfortunately after the first rough skim and sanding, the rain came down again, so I came inside and finished it off the small rough sections with wall filler.

    I wanted it to dry asap, so I rigged it up in front of my heater on a low heat


    [​IMG]


    While that was drying, I cut out pieces of styrene that will finish off the shape of the receiver. They were done exactly the same way as the second batch of MDF. Render put on my TV, traced onto card, then traced onto the styrene.


    [​IMG]


    Both pieces were then glued on to the body with yet more Araldite


    [​IMG]


    Although it was getting pretty dark, I needed to fill the top and the bottom of the receiver with body filler. Didn't really want to wait until morning, so without an outside light I went for it. Came out pretty well considering I could see very little.

    After that I built up the bottom of the foregrip with some Apoxie Sculpt and prepared a couple of the edges of the receiver for the raised sections. I'm not too sure whether to make them out of foam, or Apoxie sculpt but I'll cross that bridge when I come to it

    My Dremel did decide to show itself today which was a big positive, cut my sanding times in half at least


    [​IMG]


    [​IMG]


    Turns out I only have a half day at work tomorrow, so hopefully I should get a good bit done. I'm planning on having at least the stock and foregrip done, if there's no more hiccups I might get a bit further
     
  4. CynderBloc

    CynderBloc Active Member

    Trophy Points:
    341
    Re: Fallout: NV Brush Gun/Trail Carbine WIP

    I got really lazy over the weekend, and distracted by a couple of other ideas that are bouncing around in my head, so I got nowhere near as much work done as planned. Still, moving forward though which is always a good thing

    So, I needed to build up the stock...again, which is even more monotonous the second time you do it. Problem was, I hadn't ordered an awful lot of foam, and what I was left with was basically a box of scraps


    [​IMG]


    There are quite a few more seams on this one than the original, but hopefully the coats of resin will hold it together well enough.

    I was really going through the Araldite too, so I decided to use double sided tape to secure the foam to the spine this time...


    [​IMG]


    ...then sanded it to shape...


    [​IMG]


    ...on both sides

    [​IMG]


    [​IMG]


    The foregrip was done in pretty much the same way, apart from using Araldite rather than double sided tape. It too was sanded roughly to shape


    [​IMG]


    I also started building the peep sight and barrel sights, but they're nowhere near ready so I won't bother posting a picture of some acrylic strips glued together


    That's pretty much where I'm at now, next step is coating with resin, applying body filler, and yet more sanding.....yay
     
  5. Contec

    Contec Master Member

    Trophy Points:
    3,061
    Re: Fallout: NV Brush Gun/Trail Carbine WIP

    Good work, looking forward to seeing it finished.
     
  6. clancampbell

    clancampbell Sr Member

    Trophy Points:
    2,160
    Re: Fallout: NV Brush Gun/Trail Carbine WIP

    Yeah, excellent job so far!

    And well done for starting again when you realised you'd gone astray!

    Rich
     
  7. CynderBloc

    CynderBloc Active Member

    Trophy Points:
    341
    Re: Fallout: NV Brush Gun/Trail Carbine WIP

    Cheers guys, always nice to have some encouragement.

    Sorry for the lack of updates, had a bit of a chest infection there and the last thing I wanted to do was start sanding and firing dust in the air. Back at it today though, should have some pics later tonight.

    I should add this. I'm not really known for restarting projects after mistakes and seeing them through, as my friends keep reminding me....

    Case in point:

    [​IMG][​IMG]
    First one is way too small and completely wrong (I based it off really poor screenshots) and I can't remember what's wrong with the second one, but I messed something up. This is actually kind of a sore point, I started building it as a surprise for a friends birthday and gave up as I was never going to make it in time. If I can find the willpower I might give it another go this year.

    and the FO sniper rifle I mentioned earlier

    [​IMG]

    I'm actually really proud that I restarted this Brush Gun and kept going, maybe it's just the fact that I posted it here and am determined to finish it

    Ah well, Brush Gun updates coming very soon....
     
  8. CynderBloc

    CynderBloc Active Member

    Trophy Points:
    341
    Re: Fallout: NV Brush Gun/Trail Carbine WIP

    Ok, here's todays update.

    I'm past most of the large easy stuff, and on to the small-really-annoying-to-get-right stuff

    Anyway, apologies in advance, there's quite a few pics here and that's with me cutting it down....

    The stock got quite a few skims of body filler to smooth it out (still not quite right but at this stage of the build I want to push forward. I'll finish it off before I paint it)


    [​IMG][​IMG]


    Hard to see here, but I also added a couple of strips of styrene to act as a guide for the metal sections of the receiver that attach to the stock. As luck would have it, they worked quite well as a depth gauge for the body filler too


    [​IMG][​IMG]


    I discovered what happens when you sand the filler down too far at a certain point and a section hasn't adhered to the surface below.....easy repair but still really annoying :angry

    [​IMG]


    Ok, on to the receiver, I decided to widen it a bit, I was running out of styrene though, so I used some offcut strips as a guide for some filler


    [​IMG]


    Then I leveled off the top of it to get it parallel with the barrel...


    [​IMG]


    ...heat formed a piece of styrene over the top, glued it down...


    [​IMG]


    ...and used the sanding drum bit on my dremel to groove out the loading gate on the side of the receiver. I'll use the dremel to groove out the outlines of it too, but I've used up my steady hand allocation for today :rolleyes


    [​IMG]
     
    Last edited: Mar 20, 2012
  9. CynderBloc

    CynderBloc Active Member

    Trophy Points:
    341
    Re: Fallout: NV Brush Gun/Trail Carbine WIP

    Crap, I nearly forgot. I need some input here, I thought the barrel looked a bit 'stumpy', so I made an extension for it. Problem is, now I'm not sure what looks better, would love some opinion on it. (The ammo tube would be lengthened too)

    With...


    [​IMG]


    Or without...


    [​IMG]
     
    Last edited: Mar 20, 2012
  10. terryr

    terryr Sr Member

    Trophy Points:
    2,147
    Re: Fallout: NV Brush Gun/Trail Carbine WIP

    Nice work. Lots of nice work.

    As for the type, it looks like they took bits of several guns. I found this pic.

    [​IMG]

    top to bottom:
    Ruger #1 RSI, 7x57, Leupy VXI 2-7x32
    Browning BLR, 358Win, Leupy VXI Shotgun 1-4x20
    Remington 740, 308Win, BBL cut to 18.2", Leupy VXI SG 1-4x20
    Marlin 1894, 44 Rem. Mag....made 1977
    Marlin 336RC, 30/30Win, Williams FP peep, True glow front sight....1952

    What do you use for a......... - Alberta Outdoorsmen Forum

    The first pic in post #1 looks like a Browning BLR, but the other has some Winchester. I guess the Marlin would be closest overall.
     
  11. CynderBloc

    CynderBloc Active Member

    Trophy Points:
    341
    Re: Fallout: NV Brush Gun/Trail Carbine WIP

    Thanks dude,

    Yeah, I found a link after I'd started that said it was an amalgamation of a Marlin Guide Gun (basically the bottom one in that photo) and a Winchester 1886. The retexture if definitely more Winchester, plus for some weird reason has completely different styles of receiver on each side. I settled on mixing the two to get similar sides....
     
  12. CynderBloc

    CynderBloc Active Member

    Trophy Points:
    341
    Re: Fallout: NV Brush Gun/Trail Carbine WIP

    Just a very quick update today guys, due to various reasons (work, illness etc) I haven't got too much further, but I want to keep a fairly steady stream of updates going...

    Anywho, I finished off the rough body filler work on the stock and foregrip, and started shaping the raised sections of the receiver with Apoxie sculpt and filler

    Here you go

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    Hopefully this infection clears up soon and I can get back to full speed
     
  13. pwrofbauer

    pwrofbauer Active Member

    Trophy Points:
    331
    Re: Fallout: NV Brush Gun/Trail Carbine WIP

    That is looking awesome! Great foam shaping skills there. Can't wait to see more updates!
     
  14. Atlas

    Atlas Well-Known Member

    Trophy Points:
    566
    Re: Fallout: NV Brush Gun/Trail Carbine WIP

    The trasition from the stock to the receiver looks amazing!
    Also, I myself would prefer the shorter barrel.

    _A
     
  15. clancampbell

    clancampbell Sr Member

    Trophy Points:
    2,160
    Re: Fallout: NV Brush Gun/Trail Carbine WIP

    Great work so far!

    Rich
     
  16. CynderBloc

    CynderBloc Active Member

    Trophy Points:
    341
    Re: Fallout: NV Brush Gun/Trail Carbine WIP

    Cheers guys,

    As for the barrel length, after rechecking my measurements I settled on adding about 10mm to the barrel, and 20 to the ammo tube. Minor adjustments yes, but it looks better
     
  17. Nero

    Nero New Member

    Trophy Points:
    17
    Re: Fallout: NV Brush Gun/Trail Carbine WIP

    amazing what a bit of mdf, some pipe and foamex can become, this is inspirational work for me dude, ive thrown stuff away you could make this gun with. "FINISH HIM" *mortal kombat voice
     
  18. CynderBloc

    CynderBloc Active Member

    Trophy Points:
    341
    Re: Fallout: NV Brush Gun/Trail Carbine WIP

    Funny you should say that. All the bits apart from the pipe are offcuts that I had lying around from previous builds

    I have to give props to Volpin though, I used to build nearly everything out of solid MDF or pine. After I nabbed the idea of coating the foam in casting resin to protect it from dissolving from him, it was a no-brainer to do it this way

    Oh, and thanks
     
  19. CynderBloc

    CynderBloc Active Member

    Trophy Points:
    341
    Re: Fallout: NV Brush Gun/Trail Carbine WIP

    Another quick update, I've been working away with the Apoxie Sculpt on the receiver.

    I think I'm going to do the rest of the receiver with filler for two reasons:

    1. I haven't used clay for about 10 years, since my days at school, whatever sculpting skill I had seems to have deserted me. I'm working with a 'get it roughly right and make it larger than it's supposed to be so I can sand it down' mentality...

    2. Waiting 24 hours for the Apoxie to cure so I can sand it down and layer more on top is doing my head in. I do have patience, but I need to start a different build within the next week and the day long wait is really slowing me down

    [​IMG]
     
    Last edited: Apr 4, 2012
  20. Too Much Garlic

    Too Much Garlic Master Member

    Trophy Points:
    3,615
    Re: Fallout: NV Brush Gun/Trail Carbine WIP

    Really nice work! .)
     
  21. CynderBloc

    CynderBloc Active Member

    Trophy Points:
    341
    Re: Fallout: NV Brush Gun/Trail Carbine WIP

    Ok, I didn't really want to throw any paint on this until I had got it right, but I was finding it hard to concentrate, my eyes were making all the pink, white and grey patches blur together. I needed contrast while I was sanding

    So, with that excuse firmly lodged in my head, I stuck a coat of primer on it.

    I've already stuck about 50 million photos on this thread, so here's a preview. The rest are attached

    [​IMG]

    View attachment 89605 View attachment 89606 View attachment 89607 View attachment 89608 View attachment 89609

    View attachment 89610
     
  22. Cal

    Cal Well-Known Member

    Trophy Points:
    866
    Re: Fallout: NV Brush Gun/Trail Carbine WIP

    That looks awesome, plan on making a mold for this? I'm also making molds of my revolver i your interested. I have only molded the cylinders.
     
  23. CynderBloc

    CynderBloc Active Member

    Trophy Points:
    341
    Re: Fallout: NV Brush Gun/Trail Carbine WIP

    I wasn't planning on casting it, I probably would have made it in 3 sections if I had. I don't really fancy hacking it up either. Having said that, if there was a bit of interest, once I finish all the projects I have planned I could go back and make another one for casting. We'll see
     
  24. coopergirl94

    coopergirl94 New Member

    Trophy Points:
    2
    Re: Fallout: NV Brush Gun/Trail Carbine WIP

    how has the build been going, like how its looking keep it up :)
     
  25. Sluis Van Shipyards

    Sluis Van Shipyards Master Member

    Trophy Points:
    4,470
    Re: Fallout: NV Brush Gun/Trail Carbine WIP

    That looks really good!

    I wonder if they were worried about licensing issues when they did the games if they had used a recognizable rifle? I would think it would be easier and make more sense just to pick a rifle that lots of people in the U.S. use now, figuring that a lot of them would be around. Several other NV guns are obviously real world guns.
     
  26. CynderBloc

    CynderBloc Active Member

    Trophy Points:
    341
    Re: Fallout: NV Brush Gun/Trail Carbine WIP

    Eh, it looks exactly the same at the minute. It got put to one side as I started a build for my friends birthday (here-http://www.therpf.com/f9/heavenly-sword-almost-there-but-not-quite-152562/#post2334519)
    Sorry for not replying earlier, but I was trying to avoid the forums so I wouldn't get distracted. Then the golf season arrived and I did get distracted....

    I'm on holidays next week, I'll try and get it finished then
     
    Last edited: Jul 7, 2012
  27. CynderBloc

    CynderBloc Active Member

    Trophy Points:
    341
    Re: Fallout: NV Brush Gun/Trail Carbine WIP

    Alright, as promised, I got some work done on this over the last couple of days.

    It had a coat of primer on it as I wanted a bit of contrast for sanding. After a few repetitions of sand - spray, I had it where I wanted it. So, I moved onto the barrel sights.

    I had built the sights ages ago from styrene, but they were a bit fragile. Since I was using milliput for the banding, I figured it would be as easy to use milliput + styrene for the sights, far stronger and less fiddly

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]


    Quick total view. Note: I added a couple of 0.5mm styrene strips for those bits of the receiver that extend down the stock. I originally had them flush but felt they needed a bit more definition.

    [​IMG]


    Cut out the lever and test fit....perfect!

    [​IMG]


    And finally, today I began painting. The lever isn't attached yet, figured it would be easier to paint separately.

    Base coats laid down....

    [​IMG]


    This is where I need a bit of help. When it comes to weathering, I know very little. I'm gonna drybrush the high spots, but what I really want is that grimy look on the side of the receiver in the texture mod pic (reposted below)

    [​IMG]

    Help will be greatly appreciated
    Cheers
     
  28. CynderBloc

    CynderBloc Active Member

    Trophy Points:
    341
    Re: FO: NV Brush Gun WIP - Painting started, need some advice

    Got up early this morning, started attacking it with various metal things to get a few dents/scratches and finished the topcoats.

    [​IMG]


    Figured out how to do the grime as well, you can see it on the lever in the right of the pic

    You can't really see the woodgrain in that one, here's a closeup. Came out pretty good :)

    [​IMG]


    All that's left now is attaching the lever, trigger and hammer, then dirtying it up!
     
  29. terryr

    terryr Sr Member

    Trophy Points:
    2,147
    Re: FO: NV Brush Gun WIP - Painting started, need some advice

    It looks like a real gun!
     
  30. CynderBloc

    CynderBloc Active Member

    Trophy Points:
    341
    Re: FO: NV Brush Gun WIP - Painting started, need some advice

    Haha, I wish I was that good!

    The pictures do it a bit of justice, it's ended up far better than I hoped, but up close it's pretty obvious. Having said that, I have been thinking.

    Originally I was going to use this as part of a costume, but the 'imitation firearm' law in the UK means that I could be charged if I was carrying this about.....

    Reckon I'll just make a nice stand for it :)
     
  31. Sluis Van Shipyards

    Sluis Van Shipyards Master Member

    Trophy Points:
    4,470
    Re: FO: NV Brush Gun WIP - Painting started, need some advice

    I had an idea for the receiver effect, but you already painted the metal color! Anyway here it is anyway. You could try the "hairspray technique". You would paint the metal parts a darker metal color like steel then apply a lacquer based clear coat over that. Next you randomly spray hairspray on the black areas where you want it to be worn. Next you would spray the base metal color over that. After that you would use a stiff brush and warm water to wear off the hairspray under the last coat of paint. It should leave a realistic wear on those areas. Here's a site that shows the technique on a model: http://www.ipmsnmma.org/documents/The-Hairspray-Technique.pdf
     
  32. CynderBloc

    CynderBloc Active Member

    Trophy Points:
    341
    Re: FO: NV Brush Gun WIP - Painting started, need some advice

    Ah, cheers anyway.

    I changed my mind anyway, just decided to do really heavy random weathering rather than trying to emulate the picture.

    Should be done in an hour or so
     
  33. CynderBloc

    CynderBloc Active Member

    Trophy Points:
    341
    Re: FO: NV Brush Gun WIP - Painting started, need some advice

    Just a little bit behind schedule, but here it is, finished (apart from the screws, couldn't find that type anywhere, had to order them online and they quoted a couple of weeks)

    So, excuse the pilot holes for the screws, and my rubbish photography skill...

    I'm pretty happy with how it ended up, and I'm going to make a wall stand for it. When the screws arrive I'll upload a photo of it mounted, but until that time, I present you the New Vegas Brush Gun
     
  34. brimst0ne13

    brimst0ne13 Well-Known Member

    Trophy Points:
    555
    if you are still looking for a peacemaker, theres a paper model for it in papercraftmuseum.com under the guns category. be wary though, most of the guns there are not full scale so resizing is likely to be necessary before printing. if anything it will give you a good outline to go by.
     
  35. CynderBloc

    CynderBloc Active Member

    Trophy Points:
    341
    Alright, cheers. I'll check it out

    I was considering doing a Ranger Sequoia too, and while it's not based on a Peacemaker, it would be a start
     
  36. Sluis Van Shipyards

    Sluis Van Shipyards Master Member

    Trophy Points:
    4,470
    That looks really good!

    The Sequoia would be hard to do with all the engraving, inlaid grips, etc.
     
  37. sdmicp

    sdmicp Active Member

    Trophy Points:
    331
    Looks great! It really looks like a wood stock. I'm very impressed with your skills.
     
  38. DRBJR

    DRBJR Active Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

    Trophy Points:
    441
    I agree and I think you nailed the aging for the rest of the gun. It really looks like it's from Fallout!

     
  39. michelmoermans

    michelmoermans Member

    Trophy Points:
    180
    Looks very cool! A lot of Fallout prop building going around! I cheer for that!
     
  40. RGREYLING

    RGREYLING New Member

    Trophy Points:
    18
    Very nice, thanks for the show and tell!
     

Share This Page