Etiquette and Protocol ?

[DD28]

I would like to get peoples views on an issue I have been wondering about.

I have been producing many free paper props, and I intend to continue to do so, however I am wondering how people stand on reproducing work that has already been done here on the RPF.

I am not talking about recasting, that I am totally against, more posting my version of the same props.

The reason I ask, is that I don't like to think that members believe I am trying to "one up" another member, it's just that usually if the subject interests me I have a go.

One example of this is the Pipeworks map from City of Ember, there is currently an excellent version by PheonixVader, which I have had a go at reproducing from the original source, but I have not posted for the above reason.

Believe me I would rather produce something that hasn't been done before, but part of the problem I have, is that, apparently, I produce the props quite quickly (I personally don't think so, I have always worked this fast), and I am running out of ideas for props to produce; that haven't been produced before. As this forum has been going a long time, many props have already been attempted, I myself only started producing props in November last year, and now I am hooked.

So what do you think.

Peter

 

[Cmdr.Kerner]

I would like to get peoples views on an issue I have been wondering about.

So what do you think.

Peter

Good point Peter,

sometimes I'm doing the same like you, whenever I see a paper prop in this forum which could be improved I try to create my own version.

Why not? If this paper prop will look more authentic than before it's good for all he collectors here.

Even if I'm not a professional designer I try to create them as good as possible, whenever I find the time.

Just my two cents

Dietrich

 

[tamplain]

I don't think people will have any issues, as long as you are posting your own work.

 

[Alan Castillo]

I agree with Dietrich.

However, if you have personal doubts, just PM the member concerned & ask if its OK with him/her to improve on what he/she did.

Since they are all free paper props to be shared with the board, I don't think anyone would have any issues with doing that.

It is by far not the first time that this is done in a paper prop thread. Somebody posts something, and someone else improves on it, and then someone else, etc etc, till a 'perfect' replica is achieved.

The problems start when the paper props start showing up on ebay and the likes.

This is definitely not your intention, so all's good IMO.

Any paper prop that shows up for sale somewhere else, be it your own or someone else's, is, unfortunately, only due to a few rotten apples that nobody has control over - except for banning them if they get identified here.

 

[DBCooper]

I think that having more than one version is fine. Sometimes details come to light that we didn't know about before and corrections can be made.

I agree with Alan about maybe checking with the previous producer of that prop and let them know you are doing it out of courtesy. But none of these belong to any of us, they belong to the movies and the masses who love them.

I always enjoy seeing different takes on props. And revisiting old ones usually brings out new details and better resolutions.

DD28, I have been enjoying your work greatly. I think your enthusiasm has re-energized some of us. I have not been able to work on much lately and what I do work on takes weeks. You and others have been doing such wonderful work and have been a super insiration to me; Roland, Dietrich, Whitehammer, Yellowjacket, Luk0312, and many others. I know I am leaving out a bunch of others and I am sorry.

I love The RPF and the people here. I spend most of my time and money on this site. Many of the people I consider good friends are here.

So lets all keep on producing and creating wonderful props.

Sorry if that got a little sappy. : ) But it is how I feel...

Best,
DBCooper

 

[brfan64]

On the whole,I think we have a good,respectful community here and we all enjoy the same stuff.( You get the occasional Tourist wishing to rip off and ebay it.You know who you are,we know who you are :angry ) If anything there should be no jealousy with other members because we are all striving towards the same goal.To make the most accurate replica we can make.In some case,the love and artistry is beyond the original in craft and detail.So,above all else let's have fun and enjoy our hobby:thumbsup

 

[Pobbrett]

as long as you don't directly copy other members work (unless permitted) you're safe, sticking to original reference rather than other members replicas is the safest way.

 

[Contec]

"I have no need for Etiquette and Protocol"

 

[Barneyrfd]

Agree totally with Pobbert. Must have permission to "improve" someone else's work.

If you are not basing your work on the original prop then it is not an "authentic replica" it's just your "take" on the prop.

(What's with all the "quotation marks"...) :lol

bfd

 

[rorschach999]

I think that having more than one version is fine. Sometimes details come to light that we didn't know about before and corrections can be made.

I agree with Alan about maybe checking with the previous producer of that prop and let them know you are doing it out of courtesy. But none of these belong to any of us, they belong to the movies and the masses who love them.

I always enjoy seeing different takes on props. And revisiting old ones usually brings out new details and better resolutions.

DD28, I have been enjoying your work greatly. I think your enthusiasm has re-energized some of us. I have not been able to work on much lately and what I do work on takes weeks. You and others have been doing such wonderful work and have been a super insiration to me; Roland, Dietrich, Whitehammer, Yellowjacket, Luk0312, and many others. I know I am leaving out a bunch of others and I am sorry.

I love The RPF and the people here. I spend most of my time and money on this site. Many of the people I consider good friends are here.

So lets all keep on producing and creating wonderful props.

Sorry if that got a little sappy. : ) But it is how I feel...

Best,
DBCooper

well said DB - its a difficult question but I've used some of the work here and improved it or changed it slightly to fit my own needs - and I've not put them up as they are for me alone - so I'm on the fence a little bit here but one thing is for sure NEVER sell anything you find here that's a big NO NO - we all love to "lurk" and share bits and pieces so lets not ruin it for everyone

 

[Bear]

Hey Peter, if you need some prop ideas, here's a few suggestions.

I found these on the blog of former Pixar artist Mark Holmes. He did graphics design for movies like WALL-E, The Incredibles, and many others. They're just begging:lol to be recreated.

From WALL-E

From The Incredibles

 

[Luke0312]

If it's your own work based off original sources, perfectly fine. Doesn't matter that it's been done before. New sources come to light on different props and if the stance was taken that once a member recreates something it can't be done by anyone else, we'd never make any progress.

If you're using someone else's work as a base, just run it by them.

Personally, I hope others take what I post, improve upon it, and share it in here. There's others with a lot more talent than I. If I can give them something to start with or that inspires them to improve upon, then they share what they've done, then great. That means I can now use it for an even better recreation than I originally had. It's a winning situation for everyone.

 

[rorschach999]

love the incredibles stuff

 

[DD28]

It's been interesting seeing what everyone's take on this issue is, and I think what I can take from it is :

1. As long as we are creating a version of the prop from the original source, that is fine
   
2. If we are basing a prop off another members work, that was from an original prop it should be fine, as long as we inform the original artist that this is what we are doing.
   
3. If it is an original piece of "inspired" work, get permission before you post a derivative work.

We could always use something similar to the creative commons licenses, except as we don't actually own the copyright for the original source, we could have an RPF version.

Something like this:

or

BY Original Creator; if based on multiple peoples work, list all (RPF ID), in order i.e. Original First.
NC Non Commercial; any further work based on this cannot be sold, without prior permission of all contributers listed above.
SA Share Alike; any work created from this work, must be shared with the same usage rights.
RPF Share only on the Replica Props Forum
WWW Allow to be shared anywhere on the Internet.

So if I create a Prop that was based on work by DBCooper, I could use :-

BY DBCooper; DD28

Also a link back to the original post would be a good idea.

Just a thought.

Peter

 

[Reacher]

It's always a pleasure reading posts on this forum, even when someone does have a criticism, it is done respectfully and thoughtfully (a rarity on most other forums these days)!!
With regard to your question, i can see no issue at all with having a go at something someone else has already done. For example there are many great Iron Man costumes listed on here all with their own twist, i can see no difference between this and what you are proposing. Good luck with your projects......

 

[zodiac]

Agreed, I don't think making your own take or and improved version of a prop based on something seen on screen is an issue.

Just take a look at all of the Iron Man builds, all the same basic armor just done by umpteen different members.

 

[vulcan8630]

Heck!

If I had the time, software and screen captures, I'd be doing the same, On creating different versions...to quote:

"Beauty is in the eye of the beholder!"

Some of us look for items that will go into museums or sell. Others just want something to place on their desk or on their cubicle wall!

 

[rorschach999]

im in the "on the desk/cubicle" group

 

[lharles]

I tend to utilize ones other folks have made if they fit what I'm looking for. While I'm not as gifted as many folks creating paper props round' here, if the available paper props don't fit what I'm looking for or there's something about the version I want to change, I usually create my own version. I can't see where there would be much of an issue if you're creating your own version from scratch. Just my feeble input...