Doctor Who - The 5th Doctor Coat Thread (Pic Heavy)

Discussion in 'Replica Costumes' started by Dave Ward, Apr 8, 2012.

  1. Dave Ward

    Dave Ward Sr Member

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    This has been a bit of a White Whale for me...I grew up with Davison as the Doctor and always wanted one of these coats, but historically they have been tricky for vendors to get just right. We had a shot at a version using the Laughing Moon pattern, the back looked excellent, but the front was not so convincing.

    Recently a couple of new options have popped up. Wanted everyone's feedback and thoughts on the coats that are out there at the moment.

    First of all, here are the original two jackets from the show.

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    Season 21 version:
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    So our current options for replicas...first up, there's Steve Rick's coat. Price is tough to swallow, even for an ardent Who costume collector like me, but it is absolutely excellent.

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    Then there's the Magnoli coat, which comes in at $595.

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    Now to the cheaper options from the budget cosplay stores. Some interesting options here. Cosplaysky offers a version for $145. Looks like a stylized version, almost Manga-y, with a real flare to the shape. A shame, as the colour looks good. Trim colour is a little dark but still not bad for the season 21.
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    Finally, there's Hellocosplay at $129. Trim is too light, but the shape and colour are not bad at all, and the lapel shape is good.
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    What are your thoughts? Are there any other good options available?
     
  2. HaroldVonBraun

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  3. Dave Ward

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    There were a couple of options I left out. Also available since way back (the myspace era :lol) Honest Dragon did a version, but it was too far off the mark to bother with.

    My favourite so far is the Hellocosplay - it's the lowest price, and seems to hit almost all the points. I wonder how flexible they are, and if they would be able to make a couple of alternations. The trim needs to be darker, and the pockets squared off. With those changes it might make a great season 21 coat.
     
  4. Dave Ward

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    Actually, looking more closely at the season 21 coat, the pockets did have a slightly rounded edge to them, unlike the Castrovalva coat.

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    Unfortunately, the lapel on the Hellocosplay seems somewhat high. I'm not sure if that's just the picture and the way the jacket is mounted on the model.
     
  5. Jodo Kast 3

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    Can`t wait to see what you come up with.


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  6. manofsteel25

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    The dyed labcoat option is really meant for the ultimate budget costumer looking to spend Around $40 or so total on the coat (and has some sewing skills or a friend who will add the trim for free).

    The Honest Dragon Five Coat wasn't all that good and to be honest they don't seem to technically be around anymore on ebay unless they've changed their name to moviecos.com or dream-cosplay - which have similar looking listings and are also base din China.

    Hello Cosplay and Cosplaysky seem to have taken up the Honest Dragon baton of offering cheap (and slightly better looking) cosplay items though at that price it's hard to expect 100% accuracy.

    Steve's gets my vote but I'm biased since that's mine pictured above. If one is looking to pinch pennies and go for the best of the lower cost options then for colors it's Cosplay Sky (though they really need to add that second top closure button!) and for silouette/shape and lapels I prefer the Hello Cosplay.

    Here's the thing though- they are all made bespoke- you can always write to them and ask for changes in lapel shape etc. But in the case of Hello Cosplay all you really have to do is find your own beige fabric and trim (and it could be their lighting in the photo mind you) supply it yourself and then you KNOW you're getting what you want. Besides no matter how good or bad a coat looks on their site - it may not match what you get since you'll be at the mercy of whatever best match fabrics they can find in the market the week you place the order vs when the one pictured was made. Fabric availabilty has a very finite lifespan!

    Also another unmentioned option is BaronBoutique.com. They don't officially list it but they will make a Davison Coat if emailed directly. I know two people who own one and they look good- more Season 21-ish. They will run about $280-$325 range.

    BTW where did that picture of a beige Magnoli Davison coat turn up? I've only seen Magnoli list the all black variant on thier site. It's come a long way from my first Davison Frock Commission back in the summer of '09.

    And yes the Season 21 gorge should sit a bit lower than the 19. So it depends on which one you're after and also how much positioning of the jacket on the mannequin is throwing things off.
     
  7. E-Wan

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    Bob, how much trim do you recommend buying for one of these? I've had the beige gabardine forever and I'd love to finally pull the trigger on this one.
     
  8. Dave Ward

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    Really? Can you find any pictures?

    That turned up here:
    http://www.therpf.com/f24/magnoli-davison-frock-coat-128233/
    Would love to hear more of your thoughts in this version.
     
  9. CrowTeeRobot

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    I actually have my eye on the CosplaySky coat, and from what I've heard, the are very helpful with alterations. I especially like that their coat is very similar, especially the pattern on the back, to the actual screen used coat, except for the flaring of the bottom.

    I decided to draw up some ideas and doing some photo manipulations to illustrate what I'd like to have them do if I ordered from them.

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    Mostly it's just bringing in the flare of the bottom, but also making the vent in the back skinnier and bringing in the buttons, along with the addition of the second button on the front.
     
  10. CrowTeeRobot

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    I sent an e-mail to Cosplaysky about the alterations, and included my illustrations, the responses I got was that they didn't quite understand them, so I re-did them in an easier to understand way.

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    I also asked them to leave off the buttons, as I'd like to add my own, that way I can be more satisfied with their placement and size.

    This seemed to do the trick, and I got a response saying that they could easily make the alterations, and to just include a note when ordering. So, I think I'll bite the bullet and go ahead and order this coming week.
     
  11. Dave Ward

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    Awesome! Can't wait to see it!
     
  12. HaroldVonBraun

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    I honestly can't wait to see, because if it works. That'd be a SPLENDID budget option!
     
  13. Dave Ward

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    Baron Boutique are now offering a version at $399, but there are no pictures yet on their site. I sent them an email to see if they have any actual product images. At that price, it better be a contender, as I really like the Hellocosplay version as a budget option.

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  14. HaroldVonBraun

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    I don't know if anyone else has noticed this, but watching his post-regeneration scene, i just noticed, when he puts on the coat, the interfacing/underside of the coat collar is grey, if anyone needs a screencap of it, just ask away. Just thought i'd point it out, as i haven't heard anyone saying it before.
     
  15. Dave Ward

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    Yes please!
    Baron are sending me pictures by the end of the week. I also asked them as a long shot it they'd be able to do the trousers and they said "no".
     
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  17. Dave Ward

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    Good stuff.

    Tengentally, Baron's prices seem to be creeping up - I'm wondering if the quality of their work is too. They're not bad, but they're not $599 good either, which is what they've started charging for some of their replicas. Very interested to see what they do with the Davison coat.
     
  18. Dave Ward

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    Baron have just finished theirs and were kind enough to upload a number of images. I would love to hear all of your thoughts. I can't help but feel that the lapels are off but it looks like a good start.

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  19. E-Wan

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    I'm no 5th Doctor expert, but that looks pretty nice!
     
  20. HaroldVonBraun

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    Hmm, looks good. But the piping seems to be a MUCH too vibrant red, the real ones are more orange. And also, it lacks the flaring and slim cut of the real one, though i suspect that's due to the model not being as slim as Peter Davison.
     
  21. Dave Ward

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    Like I said before, this coat is really hard to nail, and almost always ends up being a curates egg. The Baron coat is no exception, very close, but...

    First up, I think it looks great from the back (come to think of it, mine does too, with the fiddleback/princess seams) but the collar looks too high and too rounded. Little details like that I can often let slide, but with this coat, it just doesn't look like the same garment somehow.

    I also agree that the fit when seen at the front looks too big.
     
  22. E-Wan

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    I've found that the best thing to do with any item from Baron is to take it to a tailor and spend $20 having it nipped in a bit closer to your body - even with the "slim" setting they tend to err on the baggier side.
     
  23. Dave Ward

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    Funny, I was talking about this on a youtube video yesterday -I've found the best way to get a good fit with online tailoring is to send measurements from one of your own garments along with your actual body measurements.

    Some vendors bristle at this a little, but it's not their dime when you have to get the thing retailored because it fits large. You soon get a sense of which vendors think "slim" means "well, of course it has to be slightly baggy..."
     
  24. Dave Ward

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    The lapels on the coat are higher up than I'd previously thought, with the middle of the "W" shape being roughly on a plane with the tip of the shirt collar.

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    Baron seems to get this right. In this picture though, you can see the orange quality to the piping:

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    The red on the baron coat is definitely too vibrant.
     
  25. HaroldVonBraun

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    Just noticed something on the baron coat, is it just me, or are the tips bigger on the left lapel than on the right lapel.

    I also noticed something on the S21 coat, to my eyes, it looks like the lower tip of the lapel is shorter than the upper tip. Whereas on the S19 coat it seems opposite (although much less so) Don't know if anybody else has noticed this.
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  26. manofsteel25

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    Baron has technically offered this coat for years but I'm glad they''re 'officially' doing so now on their site than playing the email only game. I think it's a fine looking coat for the money. I'm not wild about the piping either but like all of these things I never trust their fabric sources unless we're talking common black gaberdine or something. Just find a trim you like and send it on to them. Though the beige they used is one of the better ones I've seen for the body.

    You can nitpik lapels all day- most of the tailors who offer this really gets this right. Maybe a touch wider/a touch longer but I've seen far worse. The gorge placement is about right for the S19 but yes it's high for the S21. Button choice is god for S21, not so good for S19. The piping is a bit red I'm more concerned about lack of texture. Color is a little subjective depending on lighting, camera and so on that selection of images alone shows you the range you can get on the same garment- I've always thought of it as a bright red and less of an orange though go with what you like here.

    My biggest gripe really are the long seams in the skirt bellow the buttons. Those shouldn't be there- it was a mistake on the one Magnoli made for me (though there were about 3 times as man of these skirt seams) but last I looked he seems to have corrected this.
     
  27. Dave Ward

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    Bob,
    thanks for chiming in on this one. Would you be willing to share pics of your magnoli coat? How do you rate this option? I know you've seen the Steve Ricks version too so I'd love to get your thoughts.

    David
     
  28. manofsteel25

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    My Magnoli coat pics are not very good- it was before I had a body form and in fairness to him it is NOT representative of the coat you'd order now as it had a lot of mistakes thier first crack out of the gate. Another GB member put them through the wriger with 3-4 revisions on his brown version that helped bring it closer to home.

    I not only have seen the Ricks coat, I own one. It's fab and lovely. You can't really do better than his coats IMHO but he also the priciest option out there.
     
  29. ncchuck

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    as stated im no expert either but it looks good to me, my fav Dr as well and I didnt discover Dr who until a few years ago
     
  30. CrowTeeRobot

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    Sorry to get back so late, but I've been quite busy with work, and life in general, but I ended up pretty much going homemade all the way on my Fifth Doctor project, including the coat. I went the labcoat option, and it suited my needs just fine, although I would love to upgrade at some point in the future.

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    I did make quite a few mistakes along the way, taught my self some sewing dos and don'ts, and realized too late that I had set the pocket flaps too far back, but in the end everyone said it looked great, and I'm happy with that.
     
  31. Dave Ward

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    I just had a look at the coat on display at the Doctor Who experience - I assume that this is an original.

    I was suprised by the fabric, I thought it would be smooth like a cotton, but it was rougher, almost slightly wattled.
     
  32. CAndrewNelson

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    Dave,

    Did you finally settle on an option? Hello Cosplay? Magnoli? Baron Boutique? Steve Ricks? Or are you still deciding?

    Don't leave us hanging!


    (I was going to say, "hanging by a thread", but that's such a horrible pun.)
     
  33. ID1113

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    I just received my commission from Steve Ricks; it's a beautiful piece (got the trousers and braces as well). Materials and sizing are excellent and well worth the price :thumbsup

    Now to get the sweater and shirt!
     
  34. Dave Ward

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    That's awesome! Pictures please!

    I'm leaning toward the Baron version but am waiting on the season 21 sweater to arrive before I go ahead and order anything.
     
  35. manofsteel25

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    Steve''s coats are fantastic I'm sure it's a fab piece. Would love to see pics too. Sweaters are coming mid-Jan. Sorry for the delays!
     
  36. Dave Ward

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    Bob - not to worry. I know they'll look great when they arrive!
     
  37. Skippy2k

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    Having been looking at the same coat and considering requesting the same alterations I was curious if you ever got this or had any pics? Or has anyone gotten one of these coats from cosplaysky?
     

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