Deep Space 9

[The Terminator]

By then, Blu-Ray may be extinct.

I had been hoping so but it seems we'll have to stick with blurays for a wee bit longer last I read was earlier this year regarding a "Archival Disc" which would hold 300gb, even tually 1TB(1000 gb) BUUUT "the Archival Disc format is not aimed at the general public but rather for storing the expanding amounts of archive or cold storage data on company servers." Blurays at the moment can hold up to 100gb which might be enough for 4K movies. But we will definitely need something better when 8K arrives.

 

[Angelus Lupus]

Can we wait until 4k becomes 1)More than a novelty 2)Common 3)Cheap before worrying about what format is next?

Has anyone researched if there's a practical limit on home media resolution? i.e. the largests likely home cinema screens, vs the detail a human eye can see, factoring in likely viewing distance?

 

[Jeyl]

By then, Blu-Ray may be extinct.

Hopefully with a newer better format that doesn't rely on "streaming". There will always be those who want to collect the hard items.

 

[AJTaliesen]

Can we wait until 4k becomes 1)More than a novelty 2)Common 3)Cheap before worrying about what format is next?

Has anyone researched if there's a practical limit on home media resolution? i.e. the largests likely home cinema screens, vs the detail a human eye can see, factoring in likely viewing distance?

Human Eyesight & 4K Viewing

Reasonably, for most home viewing, 4k already exceeds practical limit for most people according to this. For theatrical viewing, depending on the both the size of the screen and the distance from your seat, there's still plenty of room to grow. According to this (unless I'm reading it wrong) 4k already maxes resolvability for most people, but for the optimal scenario and perfect eyesight, 8K would likely max out most normal theater seats, and 12k would pretty much be overkill. However, in an ideal setting, overkill is the goal. (you ideally want all pixels to be at least one level beyond your personal ability to resolve them from your seat).

 

[NormanF]

Oh make no mistake DS-9 WAS a ripoff of Bab-5 no ifs ands or buts about it.

Good thing the DS9 producers were able get hold of a time machine so they could start a year before Babylon 5.

 

[Raphael Argus]

Good thing the DS9 producers were able get hold of a time machine so they could start a year before Babylon 5.

Wow...just wow. I'm not beating you up, but you need to do some homework on the history of both shows before making that kind of statement.

You would learn how DS9 likely did steal a bunch of ideas from B5 before both went into production.

Mind you, I LOVE both shows so there is no bias here.

 

[Jeyl]

I reject the initial premise that DS9 is most trek fans least favorite. It's a great show and as far as I know, much more popular among fans than Voyager (which I didn't care for) or Enterprise (which most prefer to pretend never happened).

As SFDebris once said, "Nine times out of Ten, Deep Space Nine took risks. Nine times out of Ten, Voyager played it safe." Granted risks don't always make for compelling story lines, but just look at how much stuff goes on in Deep Space Nine compared to Voyager. In a show that's set on a station that rarely ever moves, we've covered histories for both the Bajorans and the Cardassians, encountered a quadrant threatening force known as the Dominion, the crew getting not one, but two Defiant ships and, probably the most telling, see a young Ferengi go from a petty station thief to a Starfleet bridge officer serving on the ship that leads the fleets into battle. Voyager lost Kes, kept Neelix and left Harry Kim an ensign. This series took so few risks that even on the recently released Season 6 TNG BluRay, Ron Moore still can't stop commenting on how stupid the idea of Voyager not changing one bit by the time they got home.

I bet CBS could do some really nice work on DS9 should they choose to tackle it. They've restored five of the seven seasons of TNG so far and have created plenty of good resources and notes on what to do and what not to do. Yes, some mistakes were made on the TNG BluRays and I'm certain they won't be repeated on DS9.

 

[Apollo]

They did'nt need one. :facepalm

If you do a little research you will find out that Bab-5 was shopped around FOR YEARS to all the major Studios including Paramount long before either of them came out.

Good thing the DS9 producers were able get hold of a time machine so they could start a year before Babylon 5.

 

[tgreco]

Good thing the DS9 producers were able get hold of a time machine so they could start a year before Babylon 5.

Um I hate to break it to you, but the original Babylon 5 movie "Babylon 5: The Gathering" which was the pilot for the series aired in February 22, 1993. The first episode of DS9 aired Jan 9, 1993.

And it's well documented that JMS pitched B5 to Paramount, even giving them a series bible, and outlines of the first season before going to Warner Brothers.

I'm a huge fan of both shows, and I'll even go so far as to say B5 was the best sci-fi show on TV at the time.

If you need a smoking gun:
Is This the Smoking Gun Proving Deep Space Nine Ripped Off Babylon 5? | Tor.com

 

[CB2001]

Um I hate to break it to you, but the original Babylon 5 movie "Babylon 5: The Gathering" which was the pilot for the series aired in February 22, 1993. The first episode of DS9 aired Jan 9, 1993.

And it's well documented that JMS pitched B5 to Paramount, even giving them a series bible, and outlines of the first season before going to Warner Brothers.

I'm a huge fan of both shows, and I'll even go so far as to say B5 was the best sci-fi show on TV at the time.

If you need a smoking gun:
Is This the Smoking Gun Proving Deep Space Nine Ripped Off Babylon 5? | Tor.com

I was wondering if the B5 creator shopped the show around before it got picked up, since he states on the DVD that he first came up with the show's concept (including some of the alien names) in 1988. The article states he did in fact shop around, resulting in the possibility of the show's concept being done as a production with enough of the original content changed (I've read of many similar situations brought up for movies, reading my fair share of horror stories where someone had pitched their story idea for their script to a producer, only to find that the producer has taken the concept, hired a writer and then created a film script that involved the same core concept but the story being different. This has even included some recognizable titles, such as The Matrix, in which a writer who submitted a script to the Wachowski Brothers that involved the same core concepts used in the film, even presenting their original ad about looking for a sci-fi film script to possibly produce).

 

[NormanF]

Pffft, research is hard, especially when I don't really care. Just seeing those links is enough for me.

 

[Apollo]

Thank you for verifying once again that old axiom, "Ignorance is bliss!" :lol

Pffft, research is hard, especially when I don't really care. Just seeing those links is enough for me.

 

[NormanF]

Thank you for verifying once again that old axiom, "Ignorance is bliss!" :lol

Not just anybody can be an abject lesson.

Really, it's not a big deal to me who came up with the idea. I was just trying to be a smart ass with the time machine statement and it backfired on me.

 

[FordPrefect]

Love DS9 - out of all my Trek friends I am the only one. They all seem to love the travelling shows more than the station episodes

As far as Babylon 5 - you just gave me a reason to go back and watch the show I never watched Might grab a few episodes this weekend !

thanks

 

[Apollo]

I know I'm just kidding you any way! :lol

Not just anybody can be an abject lesson.

Really, it's not a big deal to me who came up with the idea. I was just trying to be a smart ass with the time machine statement and it backfired on me.

 

[NormanF]

Love DS9 - out of all my Trek friends I am the only one. They all seem to love the travelling shows more than the station episodes

As far as Babylon 5 - you just gave me a reason to go back and watch the show I never watched Might grab a few episodes this weekend !

thanks

You will be glad you did.

 

[CB2001]

I'm already up to Season 5, Disc 3 out of the 6. I've put it on hold to watch the B5 movies (so far, checked out the pilot episode "The Gathering", "In The Beginning" and now, as I type this, watching "Thirdspace.")

 

[JediG60racer]

Wow...just wow. I'm not beating you up, but you need to do some homework on the history of both shows before making that kind of statement.

You would learn how DS9 likely did steal a bunch of ideas from B5 before both went into production.

Mind you, I LOVE both shows so there is no bias here.

Both shows stole myriad plot lines and episodes from 60's and 70's Manga (Space Battleship Yamato) and an oft-forgotten little book series about a space station in orbit around earth, the third series of Tom Swift books.

"Every artist is a cannibal, every poet is a thief. They all kill their inspiration then sing about their grief." - Bono
"What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun." - Ecclesiastes 1:9
"All this has happened before, and all this will happen again" - Pythia

 

[jlee562]

To quote Roger Meyers Jr.: "Animation is built on plagiarism! If it weren't for someone plagiarizing The Honeymooners, we wouldn't have The Flintstones. If someone hadn't ripped off Sergeant Bilko, there'd be no Top Cat. Huckleberry Hound, Chief Wiggum, Yogi Bear? Hah! Andy Griffith, Edward G. Robinson, Art Carney. Your honor, you take away our right to steal ideas, where are they gonna come from?"

 

[tgreco]

As far as Babylon 5 - you just gave me a reason to go back and watch the show I never watched Might grab a few episodes this weekend !

thanks

If you're going to watch Babylon 5, just remember, it's all chronological. So watch it in order, and even seemingly insignificant first season episodes will contain plot points that effect later episodes in big ways. It really is brilliant.