RICHIES ARMOR
Sr Member
Its really obvious how close this helmet resembles the Fleet trooper helmet.
Richie
Richie
Death Star Trooper Helmet - AA/SDS Version
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darthwalls
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Hope this helps! You might want to check in The Visual Dictionary on the second or third page. Great side shot there!
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Star Wars Helmets
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I have these two:
Anyone else see the similarity?
Is that the same helmet or does beardy have a REALLY big head?
Cheers
Jez
In the past people have spoken about sanding off or filling in the texture on the Talker helmet prior to vaccing.
Is that really necessary? The texture is so fine I don't think it would show through plastic of that thickness anyway.
Mark, if you're asking to borrow a Talker helmet in order to make some of these you can use mine. All I ask is two helmets out of it (or kits).
Dunno when I'll be in Orlando next but there's always USPS.
Is that really necessary? The texture is so fine I don't think it would show through plastic of that thickness anyway.
Mark, if you're asking to borrow a Talker helmet in order to make some of these you can use mine. All I ask is two helmets out of it (or kits).
Dunno when I'll be in Orlando next but there's always USPS.
Hey Mark,
Where do you live? Me and TrooperTrent are very close to having this thing nailed and just need a place for the vacuforming! We're in DFW.
Marc
badger
Well-Known Member
This thread is pretty cool. I was wondering how much work it would be to make the other parts for this helmet if you already have the parts for a rebel fleet trooper helmet?
I can see a custom mold for the ear bits, but can the back "skirt" of the helmet be made from a sheet bent around? or does it need a new mold for this part?
And if it's a based on the same helmet as the rebel fleet trooper, do you need the "swoop" or just the base helmet, the "visor" with holes drilled in it? I should probably dig out the movies again.
Hrm. Could be a fun new helmet. Although I could see people calling me Dark Helmet in this.
badger
Jimbo890
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I too have been looking at this one as a project. The rear swoop from the RFT is needed. That really big flared out part appears to me to just be a sheet of ABS cut down. The ears are the only new molds needed IMHO if you already have the RFT molds. The visor would need to be drilled as well as the upper section of the rear swoop.
One thing I find odd, is the bottom of the rear swoop sticks down from the flare part. Seems to me, the bottom 3rd of the rear swoop needs to come off.
Jim
The visor would need to be drilled as well as the upper section of the rear swoop. One thing I find odd, is the bottom of the rear swoop sticks down from the flare part. Seems to me, the bottom 3rd of the rear swoop needs to come off.
Jim
Luke Warmwater
Sr Member
Having researched and built one, allow me to chime in.
The helmet offered by AA/SDS is not based on the screen-used helmet molds. Period, full stop. It may be from a prototype, who knows. It is radically different from what's seen in the movie. The ear pieces are wrong, wrong, wrong.
Tt appears that he is using the RFT/Gunner helmet molds for his dome and cheesegrater sections. This explains the RFT rear swoop under the skirt. If this was done on the originals, I haven't been able to find evidence of such.
This helmet is really easy to build, providing one has two critical items: a vaculforming table and a MkII helmet.
The pebbly surface of the MkII helmet barely shows in the finished surface. If one casts the MkII in plaster, the mold can be easily smoothed.
I used two pulls of the helmet to make the dome and the cheesgraters. IMO the rear RFT swoop does not need to be there; it's not seen in the movie.
I easily built a mold for the ear pieces out of 2x4 lumber and some random greeblies found in corners of Warmwater Labs.
The rear skirt I heat-formed from a sheet of plastic. No vacuforming required. I figured out the geometry for the skirt beforehand using a sheet of cardboard.
The whole thing is bolted together. Here I am at DC:
The helmet offered by AA/SDS is not based on the screen-used helmet molds. Period, full stop. It may be from a prototype, who knows. It is radically different from what's seen in the movie. The ear pieces are wrong, wrong, wrong.
Tt appears that he is using the RFT/Gunner helmet molds for his dome and cheesegrater sections. This explains the RFT rear swoop under the skirt. If this was done on the originals, I haven't been able to find evidence of such.
This helmet is really easy to build, providing one has two critical items: a vaculforming table and a MkII helmet.
The pebbly surface of the MkII helmet barely shows in the finished surface. If one casts the MkII in plaster, the mold can be easily smoothed.
I used two pulls of the helmet to make the dome and the cheesgraters. IMO the rear RFT swoop does not need to be there; it's not seen in the movie.
I easily built a mold for the ear pieces out of 2x4 lumber and some random greeblies found in corners of Warmwater Labs.
The rear skirt I heat-formed from a sheet of plastic. No vacuforming required. I figured out the geometry for the skirt beforehand using a sheet of cardboard.
The whole thing is bolted together. Here I am at DC:
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Star Wars Helmets
Sr Member
I think you've hit the nail on the head. The problem with really understanding this helmet is that lack of quality reference material and therefore evidence to make a really informed judgment
The ears on the SDS do look wrong, but that aside its hard to tell. There clearly were prototypes done (as they were photographed), but the alterations made before they ended up on-screen are unclear
Ultimately we need to find an ANH original to be really sure (unless there are some decent images knocking around Ive not seen). I'm sure there's an original helmet sitting in an Attic of a house somewhere in the SE of England right now.
Cheers
Jez
voice in the crowd
Sr Member
I think AA/SDS has based a few of his helmets from his pre-production pictures he took back in 1976. I also think that there would have been many small changes to his work from when it left Shepperton to go to LFL.
I have found a really low res pic of the 1976 pre-production helmet (surely somebody has a higher res version of this ).
Also here a pic of a pre-production rebel helmet which AA has clearly used for his modern versions. I am unsure if this is the version that made it to the screen either. There are loads of varients of the rebel helmets this can best be seen in the medal scene at the end of ANH.
Hope this is of some help.
Cheers Chris.
I have found a really low res pic of the 1976 pre-production helmet (surely somebody has a higher res version of this
).
Also here a pic of a pre-production rebel helmet which AA has clearly used for his modern versions. I am unsure if this is the version that made it to the screen either. There are loads of varients of the rebel helmets this can best be seen in the medal scene at the end of ANH.
Hope this is of some help.
Cheers Chris.
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vaderdarth
Master Member
Great pics Voice In The Crowd, its true I matched them up with the screen pix you mentioned. I love this history stuff.
Dave
Dave
Here are pics of some helmets I put together.
These are all vacced off of an original Navy "Talkers" helmet. A few of us worked on the molds and made the tooling for these. They have gone through a few renditions to get to what we have now. Still have some areas that need improvement.
I came to the same conclusion regarding the NFT helmet. Although I remember seeing some screen caps that might show that there were possibly different finishes on the helmet (ie mat helmet, glossy front rear parts).
These are all vacced off of an original Navy "Talkers" helmet. A few of us worked on the molds and made the tooling for these. They have gone through a few renditions to get to what we have now. Still have some areas that need improvement.
I came to the same conclusion regarding the NFT helmet. Although I remember seeing some screen caps that might show that there were possibly different finishes on the helmet (ie mat helmet, glossy front rear parts).
defstartrooper
Sr Member
Some nice fanmade DS helmets in this thread had no idea they were out there :thumbsup
Luke Warmwater
Sr Member
It's the only way to go unless you 1) Pay AA/SDS a lot of money, 2) Obtain an Altman's and look like you have a teacup on your head.
Tambo Fett
Well-Known Member
I'm almost done with the Death Star trooper helmet. Infact I'm assembling a bunch this weekend. Here is a shot of the Rebel guard helmet I just did.
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