Deadpool & Wolverine (Deadpool 3)

[batguy]

The veteran stars are definitely a factor.

People wanted to watch Harrison playing Indy (rather than a recast) even decades after he had aged out of it. Stallone is the only guy who will ever be allowed to play Rocky Balboa. Etc.

Today audiences would rather keep watching 55yo Hugh Jackman playing Wolverine than watch a recast of that too. Especially since the Avengers-era Marvel crew has some new tools to help them. More advanced cosmetic work + steroids + CGI de-aging + CGI stunt doubles.


The newer Marvel characters being weaker? That's definitely a factor too.

Jackman, Chris Evans, ScarJo, RDJ . . . they got these roles in like 2000, 2008, 2011, etc. That was a generation ago in movie franchise terms. Marvel has had plenty of years & screen time to grow a fresh batch of players that people want to see. They've failed at it.

 

[cboath]

The veteran stars are definitely a factor.

People wanted to watch Harrison playing Indy (rather than a recast) even decades after he had aged out of it. Stallone is the only guy who will ever be allowed to play Rocky Balboa. Etc.

Today audiences would rather keep watching 55yo Hugh Jackman playing Wolverine than watch a recast of that too. Especially since the Avengers-era Marvel crew has some new tools to help them. More advanced cosmetic work + steroids + CGI de-aging + CGI stunt doubles.


The newer Marvel characters being weaker? That's definitely a factor too.

Jackman, Chris Evans, ScarJo, RDJ . . . they got these roles in like 2000, 2008, 2011, etc. That was a generation ago in movie franchise terms. Marvel has had plenty of years & screen time to grow a fresh batch of players that people want to see. They've failed at it.

They didnt fail, they just didnt do it. From 2008 to 2019 they built to end game. Wasnt much room there for a newer generation cast. They tried post endgame with newer characters and styles and got rejected because largely, people wanted the same people. Between that and the current studio thought of its a failure if doesnt hit the 1b mark. There you are. Snag ci, eternals, and black widow were hammered by the pandemic. Thor was hampered by taiki going too far, the marvels was hurt by people judging it for its cast becore it came out, and the writers strike throwing everything for a loop. The only flop on its own accord really was ant man and i didnt think it was that bad. That said, nothing hit the highs of the firts iron man, and capt america 1 or 2. If anything they spent too much time brancing out. No avengers after phase 4 or 5. About the only thing they couldve done was f4. Not sure why it was put off so long, but wharever.

Sp3 and deadpool were existing popular characters and great flicks. They had the stars people wanted to see. The thing people really wanted after endgame was spiderman and that was a big hit. People wanted another ragnarok, but taiki overindulged. But on the whole, there wasnt a lot of support for expanding past the established characters with the exception of f4, and we will have to see how that works out. Good or bad sm4 will be huge too.

 

[batguy]

They didnt fail, they just didnt do it. From 2008 to 2019 they built to end game. Wasnt much room there for a newer generation cast. They tried post endgame with newer characters and styles and got rejected because largely, people wanted the same people. Between that and the current studio thought of its a failure if doesnt hit the 1b mark. There you are. Snag ci, eternals, and black widow were hammered by the pandemic. Thor was hampered by taiki going too far, the marvels was hurt by people judging it for its cast becore it came out, and the writers strike throwing everything for a loop. The only flop on its own accord really was ant man and i didnt think it was that bad. That said, nothing hit the highs of the firts iron man, and capt america 1 or 2. If anything they spent too much time brancing out. No avengers after phase 4 or 5. About the only thing they couldve done was f4. Not sure why it was put off so long, but wharever.

Sp3 and deadpool were existing popular characters and great flicks. They had the stars people wanted to see. The thing people really wanted after endgame was spiderman and that was a big hit. People wanted another ragnarok, but taiki overindulged. But on the whole, there wasnt a lot of support for expanding past the established characters with the exception of f4, and we will have to see how that works out. Good or bad sm4 will be huge too.

AntMan, She-Hulk, Monica Rambeau, Ms Marvel, Captain Marvel, Kate Bishop . . . There has been a lot of MCU screen time since 'Endgame.' Some of these characters have had major roles in multiple movies. Not one of them has the popularity of the heavy hitters from 2000-2012.

Blame it on the newer characters, or blame it on the shows/movies they appeared in. Either way it's the same bottom line.

The big ticket sales of DP3 are driven by two older characters. The others appearing in the movie are extra gravy.


There's a counter-argument that the older favorites were established (read: the public learned to love them) before superhero fatigue really set in during the 20-teens. That's a valid point IMO.

 

[cboath]

AntMan, She-Hulk, Monica Rambeau, Ms Marvel, Captain Marvel, Kate Bishop . . . There has been a lot of MCU screen time since 'Endgame.' Some of these characters have had major roles in multiple movies. Not one of them has the popularity of the heavy hitters from 2000-2012.

Blame it on the newer characters, or blame it on the shows/movies they appeared in. Either way it's the same bottom line.

The big ticket sales of DP3 are driven by two older characters. The others appearing in the movie are extra gravy.


There's a counter-argument that the older favorites were established (read: the public learned to love them) before superhero fatigue really set in during the 20-teens. That's a valid point IMO.

Which is my point, people jusrwant the old ones a d largely aeent giving the new ones a chance. And it seems pretty clear the message the studio got was bring back who they want. The actors cant do the roles forever, but after phase 6, you will see people complain they wasted 4 and 5 by bo not getting those actors back and that they wasted those years as a result. I mean i have seen that actually said in the comments section of articles. That, and 'comic fans are guys, stop making female super hero stuff and target your audience' which was an actual post. And it got lots of thumbs up. Now i get that guy is an idiot and toxic beyond belief, but it is a factor these days sadly.

Just saying the so called failures are not 100% self inflicted. The only lesson disney will take from it is to backmup the btinks trucks to get the gang back together again, RDJ getting 100m to come back says it all to me. And they could be epic successes, but the newer stuff isnt getting the chance to have that same success from fans. The phase 1 and 2 stuff had nothing to live up to. It is a daunting task tonknow in one form or another your new character film is going to held up to the biggest successes of phases 1-3....i heard someone say sm3 was no endgame....well, no ×"%÷, it isnt supposed to be.

 

[Too Much Garlic]

People may prefer the old ones because they were well written. They don't want the new ones because they are not. Even if they get the old ones... if they are not well written, and are written as obnoxious as the new ones, people lose interest.

Marvel had every chance to introduce new characters, but they do not do them justice when they do.

And when the fans are constantly blamed for the failure of a new character, even though it is the studio's fault, it sours everyone's interest and enjoyment. The fact that the studios keep doing this speaks volumes that they are run by idiots.

 

[AnubisGuard]

There's a counter-argument that the older favorites were established (read: the public learned to love them) before superhero fatigue really set in during the 20-teens. That's a valid point IMO.

There's a bit of the anthropic principle about it all. If Iron Man had bombed, it would have just been another in a long line of one-and-done comic movies. The flailing around Phase 5 is remarkable only because it follows up a long string of success and luck.

 

[Too Much Garlic]

Weird whoever said not as edgy… I thought the first two HAD NO EDGE… which is why I was more disappointed… or the edge was forced? I thought this went crazier… maybe it’s just cuz the audience was wild where I watched at 3:00 in the afternoon.

I know there is talk that the only no-no they got from Feige was "no dru-use", but were was all the inappropiate sex stuff. There was only a few references to gay hints, which we know Disney is completely okay with. I have no issue with that... but where was all the straight stuff too? Why a miniscule of one and nada of the other? Couldn't there be an even mix like the others? We know that Deadpool is open to most things.

And why the heck were the reunions in the movie so bland, when you hear about the behind the scenes stuff were there was a lot more emotion involved. That did not seep into the movie at all...

 

[Treadwell]

Just got back, enjoyed it.

 

[Treadwell]

Missed opportunity for post-credits scene:

Nick Fury approaches..
FURY: "Deadpool!"
DEADPOOL: "Holy ****, are you going to invite me to join the Avengers Initiatve?"
FURY: "**** no!"

 

[Knightmare]

It was really entertaining especially for a franchise that has been completely destroyed. Maybe not as bad as Star Wars but pretty bad lol .
Seeing Blade again and that scene when he says " There is only going to be one Blade " And Deadpool opening his eyes wide was really Awesome . I know Ryan said he wont do another Deadpool but with this much Box Office and how far Disney has fallen into the toilet. I would not be surprised if they do not go again they all have delivered .

 

[batguy]

It was really entertaining especially for a franchise that has been completely destroyed. Maybe not as bad as Star Wars but pretty bad lol .
Seeing Blade again and that scene when he says " There is only going to be one Blade " And Deadpool opening his eyes wide was really Awesome . I know Ryan said he wont do another Deadpool but with this much Box Office and how far Disney has fallen into the toilet. I would not be surprised if they do not go again they all have delivered .

RR is done with Deadpool? Riiiiight.

Harrison was done with Han Solo and Daniel Craig was done with Bond - until the studios sent dump trucks of money to their houses. The stars always give in when the bribe money gets serious.

The only exception that comes to mind is Christian Bale declining to do 'Batman vs Superman' after the Nolan trilogy. It's rumored that the offer reached $50 million (in early 2010s dollars).

 

[Knightmare]

RR is done with Deadpool? Riiiiight.

Harrison was done with Han Solo and Daniel Craig was done with Bond - until the studios sent dump trucks of money to their houses. The stars always give in when the bribe money gets serious.

The only exception that comes to mind is Christian Bale declining to do 'Batman vs Superman' after the Nolan trilogy. It's rumored that the offer reached $50 million (in early 2010s dollars).

Ryan got paid 30 million for this part which is on the lower end for what these films have done in the box office compared to like Downey and others like you stated. If they do another I'm sure he's gonna rob the bank. He is trying to talk Disney into doing anther Blade with Snipes and he will co star. I am sure that would kill at the box office .

 

[NeoRutty]

Well, we gotta see Thor crying over his body in Secret Wars so….

 

[SergioWebster]

Deadpool and Wolverine are a fantastic duo! Their dynamic brings something unique to the table. You have Deadpool's crazy humor and unpredictable nature, and then there’s Wolverine with his uncompromising, no-nonsense attitude. It’s like the perfect mix of comedy and action. I love how they balance each other out; Deadpool’s always cracking jokes, while Wolverine is just trying to keep things serious. Plus, seeing their interactions in the comics and movies is always a blast. They play off each other so well. If you’re into superhero movies, I recommend watching some of their recent films. You can find what’s out now at https://wealthofgeeks.com/movies-out-now/ ..

 

[prenato29]

Good morning friends, does any of you have this photo in good quality?

 

[firesprite]

We finally got to see Deadpool & Wolverine tonight. My GODS, what a great movie.

 

[AJTaliesen]

re: MCU since endgame.

As much as I don't like cutting Disney a break, I have to cut them a break on this one. Or maybe..half a break. Same thing happened (continues...to...happen) in the comic books. They have to reboot every few years because what started out as a collection of everyman(woman) characters thrust into an outlandish situation sooner or later morphs into a a totally unrecognizable world. At some point the story becomes so messy that there's just no going back. Usually around the time that either time travel, or multiple dimensions, or both is brought in. It can make for a fine one time story, but they keep failing to notice that once you open that box you can't close it again and it just sits there stinking up the place. Actions no longer have consequence, nothing can't be undone, and the entire concept collapses under the weight of existential angst until eventually the board of directors says "What if we just....start over completely?"