Dark Knight costume (foam)

Luke0312

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Alright, let me begin this by saying I've never done a costume before and have depended on searches done here to get me where I currently am with it.

I started out by reading Obsidiank's thread multiple times to see how he did his and use the links he graciously provided to find additional info. In his thread he provided a link to Sonjou's thread, where one could find most of the templates for the pieces of the suit.

I started out by getting the foam from Sears using the link Obsidank provided. I cut the templates out in paper from Sonjoi's thread, traced them onto the foam and cut it out. Using a piece of kraft paper and an iron, I ironed all edges and what will be the top surface. This smoothed the foam and gave me more of a "rubber" type surface.

Once I had everything cut and ironed, I laid it out to get a look at how everything fits together. I went back and recut the chest and the piece that will go under the shoulder bells and support the chest (rather than having two chest and shoulder halves, I combined them into one for strength.)

The templates for all the shoulder and chest pieces, I never could fully figure out they went together and I even if I would have been able to fit them together, I questioned my ability to glue them together and end up with a smooth tight fitting piece. To avoid having a bunches of pieces glued together, I used the top of an Iron Man helmet pep file to create the shoulder bells. This gave me something rigid, that wouldn't fall flat and I avoided having to shape them, which everyone mentioned was difficult. I simply took the cardstock pep pieces, applied resin, applied cloth with resin on both sides, and did a light coat of body filler to smooth them. They aren't 100% screen accurate, but more on that later.

For the chest, I plan to do something similar. I've noticed on some of the purchased suits (Hell's Kitchen and UD replicas does NOT have this problem) that the chest looks "deflated". So to avoid such a look and to minimize piecing things together I'm going to "sculpt" a chest, create a mold, and cast it in fiberglass. It will not be 100% screen accurate either, but will hopefully have a good look to it.

I still lack several pieces that I'll need to create a template for myself and fit to my body, such as the back of the legs, the obliques and other things here and there.

As for other pieces of the costume, I bought the Gotham 100 boots, a set of Begins gauntlets (will work for now), the gloves Obsidank linked in his thread, a Rubies belt, a lycra bodysuit off Amazon, and the highlight of the costume, a gorgeous cowl from Coofunkcurly.

As for the mesh, I found some that will work from of all places Walmart. Only $1 a yard, so I bought 10 yards because I'm sure I will make many mistakes when I start the mesh under-suit. Also bought 5 yards of 3" elastic, which I'll use for the triceps pieces, abs, and various other places to keep things tight. I got some Plasti-dip to spray everything down once I have it heated/curved to fit my body.

Hopefully you're still with me as this is where I'll need help. As I mentioned, I've never done this before, also never worked with foam. I'm not really putting this thread together to teach, I'm putting it together as a place for me to ask questions as I go. Hopefully I will finish this with good results and others can benefit from the questions I've asked and the answers I've received.

My goal for this project isn't a 100% SA suit. My goal is to create a suit that when someone sees it says "that's a dark knight rises suit" I want the suit to have a "clean", "tight", and "finished" look to it. That's why I'll have to compromise on screen accuracy at points here and there. Also, this isn't a speed build by any means. I don't have a deadline I'm working against. Plan on just taking my time, trying to get every piece right, no matter how long it takes. In fact, I'll probably have to do a search for this thread to provide updates, as I'm sure it will drop multiple pages back in between them.

So with all that said, here's some pics of what I've got to work with and what I've got done.

Most of the pieces laid out to see how they fit together:
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The mesh I'll be using for the mesh under-suit:
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The 10 yards of mesh, 3" wide elastic, and plasti-dip:
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The finish that the foam pieces currently have before application of the plasti-dip:
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So, that's what I've got. My next step is to begin work on the mesh undersuit. I've sewn very little, so I'm certainly not experienced. I do believe I can eventually fumble my way though getting it put together though. Plan on using this site to help with a pattern and tips.

I've said enough in this post, so I'll stop here and ask my first question in the next post, so that it doesn't get overlooked in this novel.
 
Here's my first question. I don't want to attach the lycra undersuit to the mesh suit, that way I can wash the lycra as needed. I have concerns over the foam sticking fully to just the mesh with glue, so my plan is to cut pieces of a somewhat heavy canvas material (black) the same shape as the foam pieces. I will sandwich the mesh between the foam and the canvas material. I believe this will give plenty of surface area for the glue to adhere and hold everything together tight. Does this sound feasible? Anyone tried anything similar? What glue would be recommended?
 
Hot glue doesn't have the best adhesion and often comes detached when bent (or worn). I'd recommend something more flexible and stronger like Shoe Goo
 
Based on the recommendations, I might need to rethink how I'm applying the glue and attaching the foam.

My initial thought was having a thin coat over the entire back surface of the foam. I wouldn't imagine any of the choices spreading verily easily and would require a lot of the glue of the glue if it didn't. Would it be better to do just the edges of the foam piece?
 
Hey bro looks like you have a great start here. I did a TDK suit with the top half in accurate latex a friend made for me and the legs were made by me out of foam much like you're doing. Here are some tips for you which worked well for me and a link to some of my pictures so you can see how it turned out.

-You need to seal the foam with a 1 part water - 1 part white glue mixture, brush it on like paint and let it dry. Do this on both sides, even the one you're gluing on to the mesh. This is very important because plasti-dip will soak into the foam and make it curl up if you don't. One coat of the sealant mixture on both sides significantly reduces this curling problem and gives the plasti-dip a very nice, smooth finish with little to no bubbles.

-Be careful with the plasti-dipped foam pieces when you're wearing them. You'll find out that when you bend the pieces inward (like a "U" shape) small creases and cracks will form in the finish. This is pretty much unavoidable and the price we pay for going the cheap way by using foam instead of real rubber pieces. The legs are especially bad for this so be careful when bending, etc.

-The best glue to use to secure the foam pieces onto the mesh is contact cement. Either "DAP" or "Lepage Contact Cement" depending on what country you're in and what's available. You need to do 3 coats on both the back of the foam and the mesh waiting 15 minutes in between coats. After waiting the last 15 min after the final coat secure the two glue surfaces together and you're golden. For small pieces or little finishing touches use "loctite super glue" in the brush on bottle. To get an accurate glue job hold your leg pieces on with elastics, get the desired position, trace the armor segments with tailor's chalk, then glue it all on.

I know this seems like a whole lot of careful work for foam but trust me, I tried every kind of glue out there just about and a ton of practice runs with the foam and plasti-dip and this is what needs to be done. Over at Brotherhood of the Bat this is how I did it and numerous others have contacted me for instruction on doing a suit out of foam. Pardon the authoritative post, I'd just hate to see you go through the hell I did with this foam business. Here's my imgur pics: etferguson's uploaded images - Imgur

Good luck!
 
That is gonna be awesome man! I like the look of it so far. You are very talented! Can't wait to see more photos!

Wish I could do that. LOL
 
Thanks for the info on sealing with the glue/water. I had read about many people doing that, then painting overtop, but many others mentioned just spraying the plast-dip straight onto it.

On the contact cement, it's something I had considered. I've used it several times on other projects, however, I once tried it on vinyl and it either soaked through or had a chemical reaction and melted part of the vinyl, because the outside of the vinyl was just ruined and stuck to counter. Does it have any kind of similar reaction on the foam? I might run a few test pieces following the steps you've mentioned today (run them on scrap, just to see how everything behaves when applied so I'll know what to expect on the finished pieces.
 
Luke, ETFerg is right. Although I have not built this suit yet. I have researched this build at length and elliots thread on BOTB is the definitive how to when it comes to TDK and foam. And the proof is in the pics!
Great work so far and can't wait to watch it progress.
 
-You need to seal the foam with a 1 part water - 1 part white glue mixture, brush it on like paint and let it dry. Do this on both sides, even the one you're gluing on to the mesh. This is very important because plasti-dip will soak into the foam and make it curl up if you don't. One coat of the sealant mixture on both sides significantly reduces this curling problem and gives the plasti-dip a very nice, smooth finish with little to no bubbles.

-Be careful with the plasti-dipped foam pieces when you're wearing them. You'll find out that when you bend the pieces inward (like a "U" shape) small creases and cracks will form in the finish. This is pretty much unavoidable and the price we pay for going the cheap way by using foam instead of real rubber pieces. The legs are especially bad for this so be careful when bending, etc.

I a couple of small test pieces. On one I did Modge Podge undiluted and on the other 50/50 with water. The undiluted left some very slight brush marks, while the diluted didn't. Otherwise difference in finish was negliable. I wanted to try it with undiluted modge podge because it seems to be diluted anyway. Also sprayed both with plasti-dip, I see what you mean about the inward bend, outward seemed fine, seemed to stretch enough that it didn't crack. I suppose a 180 degree bend might crack it, but if any parts of my body are bending like that, I have worse problems. :lol

-The best glue to use to secure the foam pieces onto the mesh is contact cement. Either "DAP" or "Lepage Contact Cement" depending on what country you're in and what's available. You need to do 3 coats on both the back of the foam and the mesh waiting 15 minutes in between coats. After waiting the last 15 min after the final coat secure the two glue surfaces together and you're golden. For small pieces or little finishing touches use "loctite super glue" in the brush on bottle. To get an accurate glue job hold your leg pieces on with elastics, get the desired position, trace the armor segments with tailor's chalk, then glue it all on.

Any tips on how to get it onto the mesh? Once I have the suit made, if I lay it flat, the contact cement will get onto the other side of the suit (if I'm putting it on the front of the stomach, it'll get onto the inside of the back), if that makes sense. I thought about putting on the suit with something between the mesh and my skin, just didn't know what would be best to use. It appears you did yours on a duct tape mannequin, have much trouble with it sticking to the mannequin?
 
Looking forward to seeing which sealing/painting method you end up using. It is great that you're giving results for multiple testing attempts; you're saving some of us newbies some time.

TDK is on my someday list, so I'll keep this subbed for future reference.
 
I will check this in the future because i'm really interesting to know how you will stick all the foam shapes on the suit.
 
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