Costumes at cons, more acceptable?

and IMO, most importantly, if you ARE 150kg guy, or 110kg girl, and you want to be spiderman or elektra sit down, say dragon*con 2011 i WILL BE, go see a dietician and get a trainer, losing weight really would be the cheaper part of the costume.
and when the con comes around even if you haven't made it to what a regular person would consider skinny enough for that costume, i'd put a fraking huge amount of money on YOU being happy with how you look.

holy crap!!!! :confused :confused :confused :confused :confused :confused :confused :confused
u scared the bee geezus out of me for a moment! i read 110LBS instead of KG! i seriously almost sewed my mouth shut! (to not eat ever again! EVER!) lol
 
Having been a sci fi fan since the 70's and been going to cons in the 80's, fandom was always a highly personal thing for me. Going to cons has always been a part 2, so to speak, of something I did for myself anyway.

To that end, I get a bit disappointed with the younger kids that treat it as something disposable and some of the people that make it into a mardigras type thing. Although at the same time there are plenty of people that still seek to keep the sense of community that has always been there.

I think the point overall though, is that if you're going to put your time and effort into something, it should mean something to you, personally. I don't think anyone has the right to judge anyone else for wearing a costume in that regard. Obvious "troll" costumes aside..

Maybe it's because I remember a day and an age when nobody got into this because they thought it was going to make them cool. I work for a college and one of the things I do is sponsor a gaming / anime club. From the conventions I've been to with my students and the feedback I get from places like Livejournal and such, my heart breaks hearing these kids in tears because someone told them they were too fat or ugly or on the flip side, they're laughing at people for the same thing.

I think though, that's a newer thing with the kids that have grown up on the internet and being dark, edgy and self promoting is what cool kids do these days. It's unfortunate to say the least.

However again, at the same time, there's plenty of us out there doing it because we just enjoy it. It's certainly a complex landscape these days..
 
Being an avid goer of one of the biggest costuming cons around, Dragon*con, costuming is basically second nature to me. There's no ifs, ands or buts when it comes to costuming at conventions. I thought it was an almost required basis nowadays. Usually you look like the odd-man out if you're out of costume at a con.

Costuming is a skill that can be hard to master. It takes time, patience, in most cases FAR too much money, and confidence. Time and time again I've watched people get beaten down by fellow costumers who should be giving them constructive criticism as opposed to negative.

The bad thing is that the costuming community is not safe from snobs, trolls and the like. I agree, that in some cases, there are people who probably shouldn't have been wearing pvc, a latex suit or a corset with pasty-covered boobs popping out...(witnessed at Dragon*con...-_-), but it happens. And hey, if they're having a good time, let 'em. If they're confident in themselves, that's awesome! As long as they're not overly obnoxious with it. Though some might find it offensive regardless. That's life, I suppose.

This hobby/field is a touchy one with most. And I suppose it should be. Many efforts and hours are poured into one piece, most of the time. Tears, sweat, countless bank account charges from fabric stores and Ebay...You have no choice but to try to take pride in the piece you've created, whether or not someone finds it acceptable or not. The question is, do you accept it? Of course we all want to be accepted and want the attention for an outstanding costume, but there's too many Negative-Nelly types out there that can ruin it for us all.

I think alot of people in this field need to take a step back and stop acting so mean and lighten up. It's a hobby, not the end of the world. You can take something seriously, while keeping a slice of humble pie next you at all times.
 
I can't go to a con without at least wearing a costume the majority of the days, though I like an occasional break from wearing a costume at a con too.
 
I'm an over weight Stormtrooper, and the funny/unfortunate thing is I didn't realize how "bad" I looked in the armor until after I saw pictures of myself in my suit. My first 501st troop was a blast, and I had a great time. But once I saw candid photos of my taken at the event by event goers I realized how fat I looked in costume.

I have to admit I kind of wish someone said in one of my build threads, with honnest and constructive criticism "Hey, no offense bud, but I think you are a little big for a stormtrooper. Maybe theres another costume out there better suited for you?"

I'm not even sure what I am trying to say here, I'm kind of divided. I had a great time at the troop, but now I am aware of how I look and I am kind of embarrassed. I put a lot of work into making a screen accurate costume, but forgot to make sure I have a screen accurate body. At least its motivated me to work on getting in better shape, and so far so good.

Do what ever makes you happy, but for me I'm not happy knowing I don't look like a stormtrooper, I look like a fat stormtrooper

First off, way to go. I gotta give you props for making an effort to improve your health. Glad you had fun at the events, but obesity is a serious issue. My advice for you is to lose weight for the right reasons, and do it the right way. I've had many friends that went from fat to fit and I'll tell ya they're MUCHA happier now. It increases energy, overall health, and mental health. The increased confidence goes a long way. Keep it up buddy, but dont give up on having fun
 
Well.. I've heard of guys in armor getting various phone numbers from different women. so, what does that tell ya? :D


Chicks dig armor!

This is the truth. I swear i got like 4 numbers without asking wearing the suit and wondercon this year. This was with helmet on mind you. My wife was less amused... :love

As for the size issue with costumers, i say if it makes you happy then go for it. I will admit that i would consider a costume worn by the correct size person to be more accurate/better looking, but i have no problem if your not.

I always tell people the the +size troopers are in the Imperial reserve. :lol
 
I don't think it was ever UNACCEPTABLE to wear costumes to Cons. I remember my first Star Trek Con in Honolulu, HI. I was 14 years old but had no costume. This was in the early 70's. When I showed up I just remember being in awe by everyone that was dressed up. Even the actors from ST - TOS that were there enjoyed all the costumes especially if the attendee was portraying them.

I think the whole thing of size, weight, character is in the eye of the beholder. One thing that is a turn off for me is when you see girl con attendees that show up in the slutty, character costumes that you can buy at your local Halloween store. That doesn't require any effort and should be revoked. Just my opinion.

The other thing I remember that was a hot topic on one of our pirate forums was whether it would be considered inappropriate for a white woman to portray Tia Dalma from Dead Man's Chest. Meaning should she go as a white face or a dark face Tia. Some people said it was OK while others said that their city laws actually ban such appearances.
 
The other thing I remember that was a hot topic on one of our pirate forums was whether it would be considered inappropriate for a white woman to portray Tia Dalma from Dead Man's Chest. Meaning should she go as a white face or a dark face Tia. Some people said it was OK while others said that their city laws actually ban such appearances.


Whom ever said that has never met my wonderful friend, Sammy. She was our Tia Dalma several years ago, and her costume was a magnificent work of art!


I DO agree with the Party City piece of trash costumes. Though it is funny to walk into Party City to get some spirit gum, and they ask you if you need help finding a costume. I kinda cackle and say, "If you only knew, honey."
 
If I'm at a convention, I feel out of place if I'm not in costume. Even after hours, I prefer to either stay in costume, or at least wear pieces of a costume with my civvies. I mean, I'm not wearing Rocketeer helmet with my pajamas, but I'll go to dinner in my Galactica Viper pilot jacket and boots.

Issues of a cosplayer's size and race will always be a part of costuming. The fact is, the more attractive a person is, the more people will want to look at them, no matter what they are wearing. Most people would prefer to look at a hot girl in a crappy Rubies Slave Leia getup than an ugly girl in a screen-accurate Slave Leia bikini. That's just human nature.

But that doesn't mean squat as to the skill of the costumer. A hot girl in a crappy Rubies costume still has a crappy costume. People who care about costuming will still think "that's a crappy costume." And people who don't care about costuming, like all the newspapers and mass media outlets who do their annual "hot cosplayers of Comic-Con" articles, will print pictures of her because she's a hot girl in a skimpy outfit.

People say, "do you want to see a fat Slave Leia?" because the answer is usually "no." But that has little to do with costuming. You may as well ask "when DO you want to see fat people?" You don't want to see a fat Slave Leia because you don't want to see unattractive people in general. I mean, you don't want to see the ugly, hairy guy in swimming trunks when you go to the beach, either. What I DO want to see is a convention filled with people who look like supermodels in screen-accurate costumes. I want to see girls who look exactly like Natalie Portman dressed as Amidala, and Slave Leias who look identical to Carrie Fisher, age 22, and Batman cosplayed by men who look like Christian Bale, Adam West, or Michael Keaton, but not Val Kilmer or George Clooney, and clones of Lynda Carter dressed as Wonder Woman, and I want to see Tyrese Gibson when I look in the mirror everyday. But that's not going to happen, even if I were to stick with P90X for longer than 3 weeks at a time, because we live in the Real World.

So what I really like to see is good costumes. If the cosplayer is attractive, then great, I get to see two things I enjoy instead of just one. But the number one thing I like to see at conventions is good costumes. And I'd even rather see a not-so-good homemade costume than a Halloween store-bought costume. But even a Halloween costume is better than no costume at all, because at least you're getting into the spirit of things, expressing to the world what you love by dressing up. And hopefully that Halloween costume will be a gateway costume that leads you down the road to true costuming.

I think it's great if you're lucky enough to physically resemble the actor who originally played the character you're cosplaying, but it doesn't mean your costume will be better. There's something appealing about seeing someone who looks like Ewan McGregor dressed as Obi-Wan, but I still want to see the guy with the best Obi-Wan costume, regardless of what face he was born with.
If you love a character, then I think you should cosplay them regardless of how your look. Just because you're black doesn't mean you aren't allowed to love Han Solo. Why should you feel pressure to dress as Lando if you don't like Lando?

I don't have a problem with using makeup, wigs, and contact lenses to cosplay a character of a different race. It is obviously a touchy subject, but generally speaking, use of makeup such as "blackface" has been associated with racism because they were used to portray inaccurate stereotypical, racist representations of African Americans and other races. Contextually, that is the complete opposite of using makeup to more accurately represent a specific individual. There are also racist implications to hiring white actors to play non-white characters in movies, TV shows, and live theatre, because in addition to denying employment to an actor of the appropriate race, it reinforces the notion that largely-white audiences would refuse to watch an actor who isn't white, even when they are watching characters who aren't white. But again, the context of cosplay is the opposite of show business. Cosplayers generally dress as a character to express their appreciation of the character, and there is no limit to the number of people who can cosplay the same character. A Mexican guy dressing as Kato is saying "I love Kato," not "I have to portray Kato because I don't think audiences would accept an Asian in the role." Personally, I find it more offensive to see an Aayla Secura cosplayer with a bad, patchy makeup job and the wrong shade of blue, than to see a white guy with a good makeup job cosplaying a black character.

As a side note, nothing makes me laugh in derision like those articles and posts on "easy" costumes to make. Although some costumes are undeniably easier than others, in my experience any costume is "easy" if you don't give a damn, and no costume is "easy" if you really care about doing a good job (unless you have to money to spend on a screen-used costume... you can't get much more accurate than that). For example, my girlfriend was in the huge LOST group at Dragon*Con last year. Easy, right? A sweaty T-shirt, some torn jeans, and you're good to go. Except for the hours we spent going frame by frame through the DVDs and on the internet, to identify the exact brand and style of jeans, belt, and shoes the character wore. And the hours more we spent on the internet trying to find the belt for sale, plus the hours we spent driving around looking for the items. We spent days on a costume that required no sewing at all. It was among the easiest costumes I've worked on. As we like to say, there are no "easy" costumes.
 
I don't think I've EVER seen someone use black face, and I'd hope they wouldn't. It's not in very good taste. If you want to cosplay someone of a different race, just do it. There's other ways of slightly darkening your skin, like tanning methods, if you want to be THAT into, but I really don't think it's that big of a deal. Especially if you've mastered the costume, and your craftsmanship shows.

The question of race, can also lead to the question of gender bending.

I remember a few years ago a friend and I were costuming as Merry and Pippin from LotR. We had a guy troll us, saying we were NOT ALLOWED to dress as boys/men. It was against the laws of some sort of "physics". We fought our fight, and the guy was immediately silenced. We both have costumed as several different male/boy characters, since then. It's not as if we WANT to be men. I have a boyfriend, and he's usually fine with it. It's mainly that the costume strikes our attention in someway, and we want to make it.

Never mind that we, along with countless other women, pulled off a man's costume, in both wear and craftsmanship. I have a female friend who specializes in male costume tailoring, and wears her creations freely. She binds her breasts, and uses a possible "prosthetic" and facial hair when costuming as a man, because she wants to look "authentic". She isn't transgendered, but happily married to a man, with children.

Would this alarm people as much as someone bending the race line? I've seen it happen before. I've also seen men costume/cosplay as women, and actually have a decent costume! On the other spectrum, I've seen "plus-sized" girls, pull off amazing costumes, and look amazing doing it! They made certain alterations or precautions, like Spanx, wearing tights or a corset, but they still worked it.

At some point the line of "aesthetically pleasing", is erased, if someone actually makes a costume that is movie accurate, yet opposite to race, gender, body build.
 
I'm kinda surprised to see the debate about whether costuming is more accepted at cons. I guess that could have to do with the fact that I've only attended DragonCon (10 years) and costuming has always been more the 'norm' than not. Even the first year, I had little info as to what it was all about, I researched online and determined that not wearing a costume would make us feel left out. So even though we slapped together some last minute, simple costumes, it still added to the overall fun. And we were all surprised at how many people wanted our pictures.
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I think the worst atrocity is when costumers themselves make fun of other costumers. I know of people on the RPF right now who laugh and point at people who don't dress according to body type...or who don't quite use as professional methods as others do.

You have to expect that the public at large is going to think we're off kilter and wear what you enjoy wearing. Opinion be damned. It's quite another to have fellow costumers point and laugh.
 
Black Batman would be cool, and at the same time if there's someone who looks just like Tom Baker doing the 4th Doctor it's all the more awesome.
 
You have to expect that the public at large is going to think we're off kilter and wear what you enjoy wearing. Opinion be damned. It's quite another to have fellow costumers point and laugh.

My personal rule is: Even if i think a fellow costumer has a bad costume or is wrong body type etc. i will NEVER make a comment about it. Its a dick move to make fun of someone elses costume. (unless its like a cardboard jabba the hutt or something, which i have to assume is meant to be awful)
 
I don't think I've EVER seen someone use black face, and I'd hope they wouldn't. It's not in very good taste. If you want to cosplay someone of a different race, just do it. There's other ways of slightly darkening your skin, like tanning methods, if you want to be THAT into, but I really don't think it's that big of a deal. Especially if you've mastered the costume, and your craftsmanship shows.

I ran into this when I decided that I wanted to make a screen accurate Uhura from the new Star Trek movie. I adore Uhura and I really wanted to capture the idea of her, not just the costume. I did not try to get as mocha colored as Zoe Saldana, but I got pretty tan over the summer. I asked a few fellow African American costuming friends what they thought and they told me to go for it. I got lots of compliments from different types of folks at DragonCon and it was all good. :) I think these things just need to be handled as tastefully as possible.

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Yes, but she pulled off Uhura's version (with earrings, dress shape and hair), awesomely!

Awesome work Kristina!

If we all went by race, body standard or gender rules, nothing would be exciting. If you like a costume, you like it. If you want to make it, you make it. Don't let boundaries stand in your way.
 
Only the earrings and to some extent hair style identify her uniform as Uhura's. However, it looks great and a job well done regardless...
 
Thanks, guys. :$

I think the beauty of cons (especially DragonCon) is that you can be whoever you want to be...even if you don't fit the bill. It might not be pleasant or well done but it makes them happy. For competitive or uppity costumers, then picking costumes to fit your image is key. It just all depends on what you are costuming at the con for. Competition? Fun? Secret Wannabe Passion? LOL.
 
I myself have attended two Anime cons and I have seen a lot of costumes, yes I believe that it's the norm at cons.

As for the Bodytype/race thing, to me it's whatever. As long as the cosplayer is happy doing their bit then I'm happy for them :). I've seen a lot of people who were plus sized actually pull off some of my favorite characters from series (IE a plus sized woman portraying Izumi Curtis from Fullmetal Alchemist).

But if anyone and I mean anyone says anything to me about how I don't fit the part of a character I'm cosplaying as, I'm quick to say "So effin' what, it's my life, not yours" and walk off. I am however, working on my body (5'11" 225lbs, eh, not the best shape!), and my ultimate goal is to be able to fit into a 10th doctor who outfit I plan on making by September (Anime Weekend Atlanta). However this is due to me not wanting to be the "fat lazy dad" to my children.

And to Kristina: You pulled it off very well ;).
 
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