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Mara Jade's Father
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It's a piece of equipment, not for the concealment of identity. After all, it helped in dealing with the gas.
bevbor
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I bet Cad Bane know it from the moment they has entered morgue, when "Rako Hardeen" has hacked door code.
Yeah I'm glad they added that. I can't remember which episode, but Clonetroopers were in gas and got killed. I was like "WTH, the helmets should protect them from gas!"
These episodes were okay, but I still want my Republic Commando episode!
Mara Jade's Father
Master Member
Although he did make a remark stating that the helmet would offer a short period of protection from the gas.
Timmythekid
Sr Member
Cad lost all cred with me when he passed up that nice Indy fedora in part 2. BOO!
I was thinking the same thing.
Probe Droid
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Terrific conclusion. Lots of great action. Good fun.
Timmythekid
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LOVED that the asset team got Indy's lid right though, better than the liscenced Dorfman crap 
Just watched this one before work this morning. Pretty good conclusion to the arc, although since the plan relied on at least two specific bounty hunters, I wonder what would have happened if the squid-plant guy had gotten fried in the Box. What was the plan then, genious?
Also loved the fact that the WHOLE operation was just to **** off Anakin and make him question the Jedi and whether they will ever be honest with him. And the last little exchange with Pappa-Palpatine was nice "As long as I'm living, I'll protect your life Excellency" "Just imagine a galaxy without the Jedi...".
The only real issues I had with the episode was the shadow holograms. This was borderline ST bullcrap technology, and since they seem to flicker every 15 seconds seem of dubious strategic value (yes, I know it was for the sake of making sure we knew who was who, but if you choose to illustrate that in a way which makes the thing totally useless, you deserve some flack). Why didn't they just steal some armor? And what was Obi-Wan actually supposed to be doing? He was set up as a sniper, but the plan called for him to....to....help me out here? And Bane told him he wasn't supposed to be at the rendezvous 'yet' - what else was he supposed to be doing after the Chancellor was kidnapped?
I was secretly hoping since we were back on Naboo and since we know it's coming, that this is where they'd whip out Darth Maul. Ah well.
Just watched this one before work this morning. Pretty good conclusion to the arc, although since the plan relied on at least two specific bounty hunters, I wonder what would have happened if the squid-plant guy had gotten fried in the Box. What was the plan then, genious?
Also loved the fact that the WHOLE operation was just to **** off Anakin and make him question the Jedi and whether they will ever be honest with him. And the last little exchange with Pappa-Palpatine was nice "As long as I'm living, I'll protect your life Excellency" "Just imagine a galaxy without the Jedi...".
The only real issues I had with the episode was the shadow holograms. This was borderline ST bullcrap technology, and since they seem to flicker every 15 seconds seem of dubious strategic value (yes, I know it was for the sake of making sure we knew who was who, but if you choose to illustrate that in a way which makes the thing totally useless, you deserve some flack). Why didn't they just steal some armor? And what was Obi-Wan actually supposed to be doing? He was set up as a sniper, but the plan called for him to....to....help me out here? And Bane told him he wasn't supposed to be at the rendezvous 'yet' - what else was he supposed to be doing after the Chancellor was kidnapped?
I was secretly hoping since we were back on Naboo and since we know it's coming, that this is where they'd whip out Darth Maul. Ah well.
They didn't trust Obi Wan (forgot his cover name) remember, so that's why he was in that position and why he only had one shot.
The holo disguise is a real thing from the EU, but it doesn't work anything like that. It's a unit mounted on a belt that projects a hologram around you. Not some kind of magic thing like they did in CW. The other flaw in the show is that Clonetroopers have a scanner built into their armor (in the helmet?) that scans the tally on another trooper's armor that tells the scanner who the trooper being scanned is. So any real Senate Guards or Clonetroopers would be able to tell, if they scanned a bounty hunter, that they weren't really wearing armor. Why worry about continuity though when you're stomping all over the EU stuff anyway.
The holo disguise is a real thing from the EU, but it doesn't work anything like that. It's a unit mounted on a belt that projects a hologram around you. Not some kind of magic thing like they did in CW. The other flaw in the show is that Clonetroopers have a scanner built into their armor (in the helmet?) that scans the tally on another trooper's armor that tells the scanner who the trooper being scanned is. So any real Senate Guards or Clonetroopers would be able to tell, if they scanned a bounty hunter, that they weren't really wearing armor. Why worry about continuity though when you're stomping all over the EU stuff anyway.
Mara Jade's Father
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CW canon trumps EU so-called-canon. Most EU stuff is just awful. There is only about 5-10% decent and I would gladly toss that away in order for LFL to come up with official/true canon.
But yes, what SVS said about the trust issue. Also, he already proved his ability as a sharpshooter in the box so to do his job they knew he would only needed the one shot.
The thing that makes me think is why Palpatine would direct Dooku to kidnap himself. I either come up with he was trying to heighten tensions of the war, he wanted key adversaries to meet up to either see how they matched up against each other, or the the events of the attempt would enable him to create new policy or support for changes in government control/laws/processes that would be a step needed to ultimately become Galactic Emperor. The creators of the show said the Palpatine is not simply enacting steps of a plan but that every thing he does is a chess move. His actions are based on what others do (probably both i nthe Republic and the Federation) to create obstacles.
Another thing I am not sure of. I always assumed Dooku and Maul knew that their master, Darth Sidious was also Palpatine. However, there is nothing in the movies or CW which makes this a solid fact. I think it would be conceivable that Sidious was so deceptive that his true duality was unknown to everyone until Skywalker discovered it. He always addressed his apprentices hooded. Dooku mentioned to Obi Wan in AOTC that there was a sith lord in the senate (or something like that), but could that really be the limit to what he knew?
But yes, what SVS said about the trust issue. Also, he already proved his ability as a sharpshooter in the box so to do his job they knew he would only needed the one shot.
The thing that makes me think is why Palpatine would direct Dooku to kidnap himself. I either come up with he was trying to heighten tensions of the war, he wanted key adversaries to meet up to either see how they matched up against each other, or the the events of the attempt would enable him to create new policy or support for changes in government control/laws/processes that would be a step needed to ultimately become Galactic Emperor. The creators of the show said the Palpatine is not simply enacting steps of a plan but that every thing he does is a chess move. His actions are based on what others do (probably both i nthe Republic and the Federation) to create obstacles.
Another thing I am not sure of. I always assumed Dooku and Maul knew that their master, Darth Sidious was also Palpatine. However, there is nothing in the movies or CW which makes this a solid fact. I think it would be conceivable that Sidious was so deceptive that his true duality was unknown to everyone until Skywalker discovered it. He always addressed his apprentices hooded. Dooku mentioned to Obi Wan in AOTC that there was a sith lord in the senate (or something like that), but could that really be the limit to what he knew?
Mara Jade's Father
Master Member
I had already considered that. I don't know about you but if I hear a person tell another person to kill me, I think you would see a look of shock on my face whether I knew the person or not. So yes, that could be a look of shock that his master had ordered his death or just a look of shock of the unexpected decision of a jedi killing an unarmed (and un-handed ) prisoner.
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DL 44 Blaster
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Loved the ending to this 4-parter. It's nice to have added backstory to the mistrust that Anakin had for the Jedi Council.
Well that was just stupid IMO. Either that or Darth Sidious conveniently skipped that part of The Way the Sith Operate. If you're too weak, tough, you're out and a new guy is Darth. It was basically a test of Dooku as well as Anakin. If Dooku won then he gets to keep his title, his hands, and his head! :lol
The Darth Plageuis book, which Lucas had some input into, says that the apprentices were aware of Sidious. Maul may not have known Plagueis, but he knew Sidious. Dooku certainly knew everything because he knew Palpatine before.
Mara Jade's Father said:
I generally agree, it's the fact that the one main thing that they did trample on, the Mandalorians, was one of the only good EU things. Instead we have a planet of wussy pacifist Mandos. It also lost them one of the handful of good EU authors, Karen Traviss. If they want to kill things start with anything Kevin J. Anderson wrote.
Mara Jade's Father
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I'd like to know more about that book and what they actually were aware of. The apprentices of course knew Sidious, but did they know he was Palpatine. And Dooku knew Sidious and he knew Palpatine but do we know for a fact that they were one in the same? It might be like Lois knowing Clark and Superman and not knowing they are the same person.
Even considering the CW series, is there anything that points to Dooku having the full picture. I would not put it past Sidious to keep knowledge from his apprentices to avoid the same fate of his own master.
An although Anakin knew that Sidious was one in the same, he may never have learned learned that Sidious orchestrated the whole war. Even when Dooku mentioned to Obi Wan that there was a sith in the Senate, he was not indicating that that he was a Sith Lord and was working with the unnamed Sith in the Senate. He was telling Obi as a reason that the republic should be considered the bad guy. Yoda talked about mistrust and I think there are so many layers of mistrust spun throughout this story that it may only be Palpatine/Sidious who had the true picture.
Timmythekid
Sr Member
No, I don't have any problem with the one-bullet load out. My problem is they didn't actually need a sniper as ANY part of the plan. There was supposed to be 5 bounty hunters for the plan (and again, what was Morally Evil going to do if squid-plant guy got himself perished in the Box? He was the one irreplaceable player), but the plan didn't end up using more than three (two disguised as troops, and the squid-plant guy to reach inside the shield). There was nothing that the sniper was supposed to be...sniping apparently. And Bane says Kenobi isn't supposed to be there "yet", suggesting there was something he was supposed to do.
EU or not, the holoram was stupid. If holograms can look that solid, why don' they any other time? And having them flicker ever 10 seconds renders their usefullness as pretty limited. Again, why not just steal some armor?
Overall an enjoyable episode, but a couple of things which just didn't seem fully thougt through.
EU or not, the holoram was stupid. If holograms can look that solid, why don' they any other time? And having them flicker ever 10 seconds renders their usefullness as pretty limited. Again, why not just steal some armor?
Overall an enjoyable episode, but a couple of things which just didn't seem fully thougt through.
Agent RayBans
Sr Member
So speaking of CW Canon trumping EU...
It looks like Dengar is the next character to get his history screwed up. He'll be in the next episode, and voiced by Simon Pegg.
But I wont pretend to know what I am talking about, since all I know of Dengar's story is what I read in Tales of the Bounty Hunters.
'Clone Wars': Simon Pegg to play bounty hunter Dengar | Inside TV | EW.com
It looks like Dengar is the next character to get his history screwed up. He'll be in the next episode, and voiced by Simon Pegg.
But I wont pretend to know what I am talking about, since all I know of Dengar's story is what I read in Tales of the Bounty Hunters.
'Clone Wars': Simon Pegg to play bounty hunter Dengar | Inside TV | EW.com
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