Chewbaccas Wookie Bowcaster - real Horton Crossbow

Discussion in 'Star Wars Costumes and Props' started by Lichtbringer, Nov 12, 2011.

  1. Lichtbringer

    Lichtbringer Sr Member

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    Hi folks,

    i´m a pretty happy trooper - yesterday i picked this baby up at the customs office :cool :

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    Now i need to learn about the prop, and start searching and hunting down the needed parts for a accurate replica.

    Wish me luck. :D

    Any help - info/tips/parts - would be highly appreciated. :love
     
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  2. Nobby

    Nobby Sr Member

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    nice
    Will be great to follow your progress with this :)
     
  3. OdiWan72

    OdiWan72 Master Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Nice score Michael!

    This one seems to be a variation I´ve never seen before and differs from the ones Marcus and me own(ed)

    Markus
     
  4. azn

    azn New Member

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    cool!!
     
  5. Tom1971

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    Congrats on the bow. This is the most current thread on the Bowcaster:

    http://www.therpf.com/f9/chewbacca-bowcaster-finished-44846/

    Marcus/Kurtyboy is the expert among others but I'll be happy to help if I can.

    Marcus had a similar, if not the same one you have except green, and he turned it into the most accurate frame yet. Short of the actual bow used which are super rare. The one he built is now mine and I'm working on finishing it.
     
  6. Tom1971

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    This is based on a lot of help from Marcus, others, and a lot of reading.

    You will need a Singlepoint Scope. Singlepoints are the first red dot scopes. No batteries and you can't see through them. You keep both eyes open and natural light creates a red dot in the scope and with both eyes open you see your target with the dot. Takes some getting used to but it works.

    The cone tipped version are the ones from the film including the bowcaster. Good luck finding one. Been hitting search everyday for 6 to 7 months and have yet to find one. Most ones today also seem to have clouded tips. The round end one comes up sometimes. I've seen three in the last 6 months but be sure to hit Worldwide on Ebay as most seem to be in the UK. Gonna run about $80 to $100. Much cooler than a resin copy. As for the end get a clear end of a spray bottle that matches the one on the cone tip. Throat spray ones work but there is writing on them. The best I found is on a bottle of whiteboard cleaner for classroom boards but you need to check in person to make sure it has the nice clear hard plastic cap and not a different one. I have had several and most have the right one. It's nice and clear and matches the scope perfectly. If you want to modify the end to match the cone tipped one you can but the scope may not work anymore. The round tip end part that's red is different between the round and cone tipped. I left mine so it still works.

    8 oz. white board cleaner like the one I used:

    EXPO White Board Cleaner 8 Oz by Office Depot
     
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  7. Tom1971

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    You need a very specific type of scope rings so it will be screen accurate but also so you can mount your other two scopes on either side of the Singlepoint.

    Can't think of the name of them off the top of my head. Marcus pointed me to a set. They were not expensive. $5 or $10 bucks.

    Will think of it sooner or later.

    Marcus will be around soon. He can't resist Bowcaster talk.
     
  8. Tom1971

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    Side Scopes. Two Model 7 4X20 scopes from Japan were used. Know one knows what brand as the box does not have it. Only Marcus has a matching set as far as I know and it took years to find and several had to be bought to get and/or create a matching pair.

    A alternative that is nearly exact and really only Marcus could tell the difference, as he has a Screen Accuracy Sickness or SAS, is Nikko Stirling 4X20 Scope. These are what I use and they look great. It also may take several tries to get a matching set but both of mine were less than $20 and that included shipping from the UK. Like the Singlepoint that seems to be where they are from. I got lucky and both mine matched except for one small part that Marcus had given me with some spare parts when I bought the Bowcaster from him. Mine have slightly different writing and I wan't to leave them un-painted so I am still gonna keep looking. They don't come up very often. Three in the last 6 months but they are cheap.

    Once you have the Singlepoint with the proper scope rings you just mount the Nikkos on either side of the Singlepoint's scope rings. I'll take some pics to show you mine later.
     
  9. Tom1971

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  10. Lichtbringer

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    Thanks for posting all that info in compressed form. :)
     
  11. Cenobyte

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    I thought it was a Barnett commando crossbow that was used all these years.

    I learn something new here everyday. Thank you for posting this up. I have wanted to build a wookiee bow caster for years but the barnett's are pretty expensive.

    Would you be able to post the model type as Horton has many different models that look similar?
     
  12. OdiWan72

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    Hey bud :)

    The Barnett Commando was used by most of us "old-school" propeteers back the days, before the more accurate Horton Safari was found.

    Below is a quick comparsion of my old Barnett based BC (now owned by VaderDarth), my Horton safari before any modification (auction pic) and a WIP shot of my recent BC frame...

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    Wish you LOTS of fun converting this puppy Michael :):thumbsup

    Markus
     
  13. Tom1971

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  14. Lichtbringer

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    Thanks, i hope it will be fun. :lol

    It seems a lot of stuff needs to be found.
     
  15. Tom1971

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    One of the many questions I still have is what buttons and knobs go where on the side panels. Some Marcus had on this one of mine but several are still to be found. Not sure about placement as well. If my camera knobs are close enough or if I need the exact ones.

    Still need a lot of help and info in this area.
     
  16. kurtyboy

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    Only took me six years to finish mine LOL! Still not happy with it, needs more upgrades. :wacko

     
  17. Lichtbringer

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    Not much happened with this baby, that (fiberglass?) plasticstuff is really tough to cut, and loves to melt, and harden in the cut again - couldn´t motivate me to reshape it, yet. That rear cutout alone dulled me 2 jigsaw blades. :behave

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    But finally i have it´s scope-array together :cool:

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    Other than that i need to find all parts yet (well, not all - i machined me some imperial discs, and found some of the vintage RCA-plugs), so i´m still on the hunt for the parts. :cry
     
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  18. laserpistol76

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    That base would make a pretty cool sci fi blaster. :)
     
  19. Lichtbringer

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  20. Lichtbringer

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    Btw. maybe it´s not a bad idea to ask the ones that have shaped a real Horton already:

    What have YOU used to get the cutouts in the right shape?

    Metal files getting clogged very fast, sanding paper on a block is a real pain ....

    I thought about buying one of those electrical files/small belt sanders, but would love to learn what you did. :)
     
  21. OdiWan72

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    Hey Michael

    I used a combination of electric and handsaw to do the major cutouts.
    Then I started to take down even more material with wood-rasps, later switched to metal files in various coarses.

    Finishing can be done with mouse-sander and by hand, depending on your condition and patience ;)

    Markus
     
  22. Lichtbringer

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    Thanks Markus,

    beeing no "wood-guy" i would have never thought for the wood-rasps.


    "Patience" - wo is that guy? I know noone with that name. :lol


    Btw. - do you maybe have proper templates for the metal sidepieces?
     
  23. OdiWan72

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    have the templates somewhere, but the have to be slightly modifified to work with the safari

    Markus
     
  24. Tobot

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    Ill be watching this with great interest :)
     
  25. Nessy

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    I like your scope assembly. I can't wait to see your next update.
     
  26. jweger77

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    Looking good! Glad to see you back on the project!
     
  27. Marv

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    Can I ask what are deemed to be accurate scopes for this, in one post I've read Original - 7 and here it mentions the nikko. Is it affirmed one or the t'other?
     
  28. GotWookiee

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    Bowcaster Page (under construction)

    The center scope is the Single Point Scope with the clear (as opposed to frosted) cone tip (as opposed to round tip) and the cheap plastic covers on the adjustment knobs (as opposed to the knurled adjustment covers).

    The side scopes are the mysterious "Model 7" 4x20 scopes that are also on the Evezan blaster. They turn up occasionally but no one actually knows who the manufacturer is; even the original packaging doesn't identify who made it.

    The scope has the following markings on it:
    Model 7
    ORIGINAL
    4x20
    Fixed Reticle
    Coated
    [small "S" within circle logo]
     
  29. Marv

    Marv Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Cool thanks :)
     
  30. intwenothor

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    That's not correct; the brand is Known and the packaging does identify who made it. Original made and sold it and is a rebranding of the German 'Diana' brand. Original and Diana were pretty systematic with they naming of their products e.g. The Model 6 is an air pistol, model 7 we know, model 8 is an air pistol also, Model 9 is another 4x20 scope with much better mounts etc etc.

    I posted the information in this thread last year.

    http://www.therpf.com/f9/original-model-7-4x20-scope-telescopic-sight-found-part-191095/

    All the best.

    Andy

    By the way your bowcaster page is excellent.



     
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  31. GotWookiee

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    Awesome, research. Thanks for the info.
     
  32. intwenothor

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    You're welcome. I don't get out much.
     
  33. Tom1971

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    Just commented in your other thread. I have no clue how I missed this. This has been a huge mystery.

    Where have you been hiding?????

    Thanks so much.

    - - - Updated - - -

    If you don't mind I am going to take a few pics of my Nikko Sterlings and compare them with your great model 7 pics so people can see how close they are????
     
  34. intwenothor

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    Ha ha, you're welcome. As mentioned the knowledge was only really acquired as a by product of the Boba scope research; I knew the Model 7 was used on a prop and when I started to come across them I just picked them up. My first was the 'Squat' with the S in circle symbol. Completely incorrect obviously but any Model 7 is rare. I picked up any I saw and in my travels and didn't come across that many.

    As for a comparison with my pics then please feel free and consider them public domain. I've owned six or seven Nikko Stirling Mounties so it's worthe considering that there are Nikko Stirling Mounties and there are Nikko Stirling mounties, just as the are Model 7s and there are model 7s. The best match I have seen bears these markings:

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    There are numerous others out there, the ones I have seen with White and orange lettering are probably best avoided as the proportions are wrong in the tube and they feature either a locking ring that has a tapered section that is too long making the whole thing about 1/2" long/deep; on some the saddle holding the windage and elevation screws is mounted back to front (objective bell definition is also quite soft on the White and Orange).

    Another point on the Model 7, which you wouldn't know without holding them, is that the turrets that house those screws are much wider than usual meaning that if you're missing the dust caps they'll be next to impossible to replace as the dust caps from most other scopes will be too small to fit over the turrets. Many of these old scopes have part that arepretty interchangeable but not that Model 7. It's a real pain.

    All the best

    Andy

    Oh and I wasn't hiding. Markus found it straight away!:)
     
  35. propmainiac

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    so have you done any more?
     
  36. Weezer

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    Hi I was wondering if you had measurements of the single point sight that was used on your bowcaster?
     

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