Captain Cardboard X-Wing or Poseidon Young

[Nwerke]

To be fair the Mensaboy TIE is studio scale, IIRC. Achilles, I'm afraid you're going to find that the Mensaboy TIE, Vader TIE and Wong Interceptor are all quite different sizes, especially the Interceptor. Hopefully you weren't expecting them all to be the same size!

 

[achilles266]

I know they won't be the same size and quite frankly that would be silly as they clearly are not the same size in full scale from the measurments I have received I think they will look cool all displayed together

Thanks

To be fair the Mensaboy TIE is studio scale, IIRC. Achilles, I'm afraid you're going to find that the Mensaboy TIE, Vader TIE and Wong Interceptor are all quite different sizes, especially the Interceptor. Hopefully you weren't expecting them all to be the same size!

 

[Nwerke]

Of course they are different designs with different outline dimensions. That goes without saying. I meant that they will not have the same sizes of cockpit spheres.

But sure, it'll definitely be cool to have the trifecta. Are you going to get a TIE bomber too?

 

[achilles266]

Yes of course When money permits I plan to get as many kits as possible it's just not one of my priorities at the moment, I thought the spheres would be pretty close as they are both 1/24 scale oh well it should still make for a cool display

Of course they are different designs with different outline dimensions. That goes without saying. I meant that they will not have the same sizes of cockpit spheres.

But sure, it'll definitely be cool to have the trifecta. Are you going to get a TIE bomber too?

 

[jedimaster]

Different kit producers have different ideas on what is studio scale. So the size of the spheres is different between producers. Kk and AW kits are built mostly from scratched detail pieces so there is a large amount of guess work involved with actual sizes.

The true studio scale kits when it comes to TIE's are Steve Niesens kits. All the kit parts have been identified and the fuse/ wings etc have been scaled accordingly. Also access to original TIE's for measurements etc. This is what differentiates between a studio scale model and a nice 1/24 th kit.

What the guy's here are saying is that, whilst you have some great kits and yes they are all interpretations of studio scale, they are not movie accurate and therefore belong in the general modeling section. In this section builders strive for accuracy down to the last rivet. And it sometimes takes years to identify each kit part to obtain that accuracy.

I am looking forward to your pix and builds, but as others have said ... Post them in the general section so everyone can see your builds.

 

[achilles266]

I thought that there was a diference between studio scale and studio accurate as long as they are studio scale they should be permitted in this section shouldnt they?? doesnt really matter to me but personally no matter how much research you do I dont think you will ever be able to get it "exactly" the same as the studio model.

Different kit producers have different ideas on what is studio scale. So the size of the spheres is different between producers. Kk and AW kits are built mostly from scratched detail pieces so there is a large amount of guess work involved with actual sizes.

The true studio scale kits when it comes to TIE's are Steve Niesens kits. All the kit parts have been identified and the fuse/ wings etc have been scaled accordingly. Also access to original TIE's for measurements etc. This is what differentiates between a studio scale model and a nice 1/24 th kit.

What the guy's here are saying is that, whilst you have some great kits and yes they are all interpretations of studio scale, they are not movie accurate and therefore belong in the general modeling section. In this section builders strive for accuracy down to the last rivet. And it sometimes takes years to identify each kit part to obtain that accuracy.

I am looking forward to your pix and builds, but as others have said ... Post them in the general section so everyone can see your builds.

 

[imaginager]

... no matter how much research you do I dont think you will ever be able to get it "exactly" the same as the studio model.

As compassionately as I can say it, I think you're missing the point.

My understanding is that this forum is for discussion of replicating filming models. Not aliens, not scaled down stargate props (that is REALLY cool, but it's a replica prop), not kits that are 1/24 and look sorta like a filming model. The Poseidon Young doesn't belong in this forum, period. It's a nice model, sure. A wonderful accomplishment. But, it's not studio scale.

Although this forum predates my membership here, my understanding is that this began as a place for people to collaborate on identifying kit parts used on filming models that were built, primarily for SW films, early on - and on building replicas of those filming models that as closely approach the filming model as possible. Of course, "as closely as possible" changes as more information becomes available.

It's probably a fuzzy distinction for some. In general, I believe that slapping together a GK kit, even if it came from a researched master pattern of a filming model, really belongs in the General Modeling section...unless the builder is substantially modifying it to make it more accurate to the filming model. A good example - and not just because it's mine - is my cloud car buildup. Another good example is Lee's Probe Droid (and Guy's too, for that matter). That makes me a little severe, though, because there are a HUGE number of really TALENTED painters on this forum, as well as in the General Modeling forum. I just think that to embrace studio scale means cracking open a tamiya armor kit every once in awhile.

Also, there is no single ratio that is "studio scale". This concept seems to be lost on a great many posters in the Studio Scale forum. 1/24 is NOT studio scale. Studio scale simply refers to a model that strives to replicate, as exactly as possible, a real-world, physical filming model - regardless of the filming model's scale (assuming it even has an established scale). There are a few exceptions to this rule, as stated in the sticky at the top of the forum. Exceptions are just that, though: few and far between. And, really, consistent with performing the same research and work as creating a replica filming model.

 

[achilles266]

I understand where you are coming from but all I am trying to say is that if it is to the same size of the filming piece it should technically be studio scale, maybe they should consider opening a studio accurate topic for the people that need the details as close to 100% as possible

As compassionately as I can say it, I think you're missing the point.

My understanding is that this forum is for discussion of replicating filming models. Not aliens, not scaled down stargate props (that is REALLY cool, but it's a replica prop), not kits that are 1/24 and look sorta like a filming model. The Poseidon Young doesn't belong in this forum, period. It's a nice model, sure. A wonderful accomplishment. But, it's not studio scale.

Although this forum predates my membership here, my understanding is that this began as a place for people to collaborate on identifying kit parts used on filming models that were built, primarily for SW films, early on - and on building replicas of those filming models that as closely approach the filming model as possible. Of course, "as closely as possible" changes as more information becomes available.

It's probably a fuzzy distinction for some. In general, I believe that slapping together a GK kit, even if it came from a researched master pattern of a filming model, really belongs in the General Modeling section...unless the builder is substantially modifying it to make it more accurate to the filming model. A good example - and not just because it's mine - is my cloud car buildup. Another good example is Lee's Probe Droid (and Guy's too, for that matter). That makes me a little severe, though, because there are a HUGE number of really TALENTED painters on this forum, as well as in the General Modeling forum. I just think that to embrace studio scale means cracking open a tamiya armor kit every once in awhile.

Also, there is no single ratio that is "studio scale". This concept seems to be lost on a great many posters in the Studio Scale forum. 1/24 is NOT studio scale. Studio scale simply refers to a model that strives to replicate, as exactly as possible, a real-world, physical filming model - regardless of the filming model's scale (assuming it even has an established scale). There are a few exceptions to this rule, as stated in the sticky at the top of the forum. Exceptions are just that, though: few and far between. And, really, consistent with performing the same research and work as creating a replica filming model.

 

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I understand where you are coming from but all I am trying to say is that if it is to the same size of the filming piece it should technically be studio scale, maybe they should consider opening a studio accurate topic for the people that need the details as close to 100% as possible

I'm sorry, but you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. The title of this thread alone provides more than enough evidence of that.

This forum was created more than ten years ago for "the people that need the details as close to 100% as possible."

You obviously haven't bothered to take the time to understand that, and now you're here after barely a month on this board arguing with the people who actually built and maintained this forum over what it's about?

 

[achilles266]

Im not trying to argue its just confusing when people call their kits studio scale and then you are not allowed to talk about them in the studio scale section and since scale refers to size it does not implicate that details are important thats what was confusing to me, so you shouldnt talk about peoples kits in this section ??

I'm sorry, but you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. The title of this thread alone provides more than enough evidence of that.

This forum was created more than ten years ago for "the people that need the details as close to 100% as possible."

You obviously haven't bothered to take the time to understand that, and now you're here after barely a month on this board arguing with the people who actually built and maintained this forum over what it's about?

 

[imaginager]

Im not trying to argue its just confusing when people call their kits studio scale and then you are not allowed to talk about them in the studio scale section and since scale refers to size it does not implicate that details are important thats what was confusing to me, so you shouldnt talk about peoples kits in this section ??

Well, not to be a jerk, but no: you really shouldn't talk about people's kits in this section...not without understanding what "studio scale" means. The forum has a sticky defining the term. I provided you with a bit more elaborate explanation. Yet, you are choosing to fixate on size. Size is only one part of studio scale.

Regarding the Poseidon Young, I'm not sure how it could be more clear: which section did the maker post it in?

http://www.therpf.com/f11/new-project-1-24-x-wing-fighter-scratchbuild-96280/

 

[imaginager]

...maybe they should consider opening a studio accurate topic for the people that need the details as close to 100% as possible

That's what this forum is for. I'm confident that during my time as a member here, I haven't been mistaken about that.

Take a look at the majority of threads in this forum. What are they about? What is the focus of the discussion?

Getting details as close to 100 percent as possible.

 

[achilles266]

Ok so this forum is more of a collaberation to find out more about the filming models used and the general modeling is for model and kit talk no matter if its studio scale or not.

Please correct me if im wrong

That's what this forum is for. I'm confident that during my time as a member here, I haven't been mistaken about that.

Take a look at the majority of threads in this forum. What are they about? What is the focus of the discussion?

Getting details as close to 100 percent as possible.

 

[ralphee]

Well, this forum shouldnt be a collaboration, the general models section is for just that, generic models.
This forum in for the research, history and building of as near as damnit replicas of the filming models.
Though over time, we have MR Falcon base plate threads, EU threads etc etc, so, its all sadly been diluted and a bit polluted by non SS subject matter.
I think over time, this has confused the issue and purpose of this section.

As Allan said, a rite of passage in SS, is to crack open some donor kits, and really get into the heads of the guys that built these things back in the 70's and 80's.

lee

 

[achilles266]

Sorry I meant collaberation between people to gather as much info as possible about the filming models

Well, this forum shouldnt be a collaboration, the general models section is for just that, generic models.
This forum in for the research, history and building of as near as damnit replicas of the filming models.
Though over time, we have MR Falcon base plate threads, EU threads etc etc, so, its all sadly been diluted and a bit polluted by non SS subject matter.
I think over time, this has confused the issue and purpose of this section.

As Allan said, a rite of passage in SS, is to crack open some donor kits, and really get into the heads of the guys that built these things back in the 70's and 80's.

lee

 

[ralphee]

Yes, thats the idea bud. Its not as much of a joint effort anymore. A lot of guys went underground, and dont tend to share and join in these days.

Its great when it really does all kick off, and we get a mass ID/research thread boiling, just look at what Seven is doing now with the ROTJ background ship, or Jason's Viper.

Studio scale forums, are pretty much starting from the ground up on any subject, and yes, we do tend to count rivets sadly, but its fun.

I have had the pleasure of working with some amazing guys on some great projects over the years, and its great to see a model go from scruffy, blurry ref pics to a physical model, its like a child we all had a hand in raising LOL.

lee

 

[achilles266]

Yes I would love to get more involved in these subjects I thought I knew alot about Star Wars until I came to this place lol but as I am only 18 unfortunatley I went to the cinemas to watch the special editions but thankfully my dad saved me the unaltered ones on both VHS and laser disk. I am really enjoying the kit ID thread for the large scale falcon as it is probably going to be my life long project lol

Yes, thats the idea bud. Its not as much of a joint effort anymore. A lot of guys went underground, and dont tend to share and join in these days.

Its great when it really does all kick off, and we get a mass ID/research thread boiling, just look at what Seven is doing now with the ROTJ background ship, or Jason's Viper.

Studio scale forums, are pretty much starting from the ground up on any subject, and yes, we do tend to count rivets sadly, but its fun.

I have had the pleasure of working with some amazing guys on some great projects over the years, and its great to see a model go from scruffy, blurry ref pics to a physical model, its like a child we all had a hand in raising LOL.

lee

 

[imaginager]

This is studio scale modeling per the original charter of this forum:

http://www.therpf.com/f10/hero-x-wing-build-48646/

 

[Treadwell]

I don't think we need to be too hard on achilles. He has a point, that the name of this forum is not the "Studio Parts Forum". If a person were to make a 1/24 X-Wing out of Play-Doh, that would technically be studio scale.

But of course that is not the intended purpose of the forum. This is really an academic letter-vs-spirit-of-the-law discussion. It was an understandable and forgivable mistake for him to make, to assume that the name of the forum was a literal, and comprehensive, description of how we like to use it.

 

[moffeaton]

MR base problems - DOES NOT BELONG HERE.

EU E-Wing (a kit I HAVE and LOVE) - DOES NOT BELONG HERE.

McQuarrie X - DOES NOT BELONG HERE. That's why I posted it in the correct area:
http://www.therpf.com/f11/mcquarrie-x-100518/

Probe Droid kit, Galactica Shuttle kit, Neisen TIE, Salzo V3, Captain Cardboard X, ESB AT-ST, etc etc - BELONG HERE.

How is this even being debated? It's SO CLEAR to me... unnngh. If you make a model, even in good faith and don't get it 100% because of lack of reference - but INTEND to replicate what was built in the model shop, it belongs in this forum. If it's ANY other intent, it ain't Studio Scale. And yes, by my understanding and definition, Lasse's Blockade Runner is NOT a studio scale project. It's super amazing, but it's a 6 foot-ish Blockade Runner - NOT a studio scale model.