Captain Cardboard X-Wing or Poseidon Young

[achilles266]

How big is this kit once constructed

Thanks for the info

Lineage is it's history. It is cast from an ILM original bird.

 

[darth_myeek]

My guess is SMT is back. Check the email contact. Location of Calgary also a give away.
Cheers,
Kevin

What is the history on SMT? I joined here after his site kinda went poof. I remember wanting the SMT TIE Bomber years ago.

Thanks,
Mike

 

[jedimaster]

As far as I know they as did a few others got a c&d from lucasfilm.

 

[achilles266]

Ok to sort of sum this up V3 is the best followed Franks Pyro, then I dont know where the others fall or why people would by them then

 

[jedimaster]

Basically they are the best most accurate. They also came last so they are improved versions over the cc. The py just isn't accurate enough for me. Very well made kit but not quite accurate.

 

[achilles266]

Couldnt you make the PY more accurate if you wanted to

 

[jedimaster]

Yeah but there's quite a lot to do to make it so. I would just wait until a v3 becomes available

 

[achilles266]

What do you think of Franks Pyro kit still not as good would you reccomend it?

Yeah but there's quite a lot to do to make it so. I would just wait until a v3 becomes available

 

[hugescale]

CaptCBoards x-wing, Mikes V1, V2, V3. V3.1 and Franks Pyro are all excellent kits. V3, V3.1 and Franks Pyro are closest to the studio models.
I am currently building CaptCBoards kit. I love the posibility to make the canopy detachable. That gave me the posibilty to make the studio scale cockpit and a detailed scaled version of the 1:1 cockpit interchangeable.
I have seen many build ups of the several versions. Each of those kits can be build into a fantastic replica.
When seeing finished x-wings, I have difficulties to tell right away from which kits they are made. There are diffences in the shape of the fuselages, the size of the wings and in other details. In excellent build ups, I have noticed some (small) misallignments. A few are caused by the kits (they can be corrected easily) and many are caused by their builders. For example, some builders seem to care more about the wings being a few mm longer on the V3 and V3.1 than having them alligned to a proper X. For me this is more visible, than the kit version.
So in my opinion, your skills and the reference available to you are far more important than what kit you are building. Mikes V3, V3.1 and Franks Pyro are superior regarding fuselage shape and wing size. But for me, but these differences are not big enough to be not absolutely happy with one (or several) of the other kits.
Michael

 

[jedimaster]

What do you think of Franks Pyro kit still not as good would you reccomend it?

I would highly recommend franks kit. I am starting a build thread this weekend.

 

[achilles266]

What one would you choose out of Franks Pyro or the cc

QUOTE=jedimaster;1550845]I would highly recommend franks kit. I am starting a build thread this weekend.[/QUOTE]

 

[PHArchivist]

I'd stay away from an original CC.

I don't believe its been mentioned in this thread yet, but the fuselage on the CC is FAR more sleek (thin, narrow, anemic) that it should be, and is a fast and furious identifier of this kit.

Even those that aren't full-on X-Wing experts can usually spot this major inaccuracy.

 

[PHArchivist]

Here is a shot to show what I'm referring to.

Far right is the Maxi-brute model rocket body, rumored to be fairly close in size and porportion to the original. Next to it is the far thinner CC fuselage.

 

[achilles266]

Can anyone give me the dimensions of Franks pyro kit.

Thanks for all the info guys

 

[Nwerke]

It's about two feet long. Like all of them really - why do you ask? Actually here's some questions for you:

Are you a modelmaker?

What's your experience?

Have you ever built a resin kit?

Will you really be able to build ANY of these kits?

Do you care about accuracy? Or does "easy construction" sound more important?

Why is it urgent that you get a kit? Do you have some deadline to meet?

I'm not trying to be rude, I just get the vibe that perhaps you're a novice and you may be approaching this the wrong way. Frank's kit isn't for beginners, and Mike's isn't really either. If you are a novice, get the Poseidon Young kit. It's more expensive than Mike or Frank's kits, but it is engineered to be easier to put together.

If accuracy is the most important thing, get the Salzo 3.1 or better still, find a Frank pyro kit. As others have said, it basically descends from a real ILM pyro model. You can't get closer than that, for now.

Frank's kit comes in "solid resin fuselage" and "hollow slush-cast two-part fuselage" versions. The hollow version is a little longer than the solid one. To be more exact, the fuselage is 49.15cm long, and wingspan will be about 43cm. Adding the engines will add 5cm or so to total length.

Ok to sort of sum this up V3 is the best followed Franks Pyro

The V3 is designed based on measurements of the same piece Frank's piece is cast from. It has been 'idealised' to correct the warps and asymmetries which exist on the ILM models. So the Frank pyro is best for accuracy, while the V3 is best for symmetry combined with good overall outline accuracy.

then I dont know where the others fall or why people would by them then

The CC is the first studio-scale X-wing kit. Ten years ago people bought it because it was well cast and reasonably priced, there wasn't anything else available anyway and even many of the references we have now weren't available back then. People who buy recasts of it now probably only do so because of ignorance.

The Poseidon Young kit is a strange one, I guess Poseidon just wanted to do an X-wing. His kit pays scant attention to screen accuracy, but it is X-wing sized and X-wing shaped and is a nicely engineered piece of 'new-school' modelling. I do not have one but it looks like it should build up very easily, so I guess that is the selling point.

 

[achilles266]

I am not asking the same questions, they may be phrased the same but they are about the different kits as in trying to find the differences between the various kits anyways now with that out if the way I will answer your questions

Yes I am a model builder I have been building models for as long as I can remember. But this kit is meant for my dad's birthday as it's his favorite ship thats why it's so urgent I get a kit and he is a much better model builder then me he has experience with resin kits I do not. He prefers it to be more on the accurate side but I don't think he will be able to tell the difference

Thanks

It's about two feet long. Like all of them. Why do you ask?

I'm just going to go ahead and answer all your questions again, since you're only going to ask them again anyway. Just getting in in advance.

Actually no I'm not - here's a better idea, some questions for you:

Why do you keep asking the same questions? Are you reading all of the replies, or just skimming them?

Are you a modelmaker?

What's your experience?

Have you ever built a resin kit?

Will you really be able to build ANY of these kits?

Do you care about accuracy? Or does "easy construction" sound more important?

Why is it urgent that you get a kit? Do you have some deadline to meet?

If you are a novice, get the Poseidon Young kit. It's more expensive than Mike or Frank's kits, but it is engineered to be easier to put together.

 

[Nwerke]

Ah, I actually edited that out in my first revision, but my son asked me to put a dinosaur DVD on for him and I didn't get to post it in time. No worries, at first sight it just read, to me, as if you weren't taking people's replies on board. You're new and we do get those misunderstandings happening sometimes with new folks. It's cool.

Check back above as I have popped in a bit more info in my second revision. Thanks for the info you provided, in that case I think the best kit for you is the Salzo V3 or V3.1. It's cheaper than the PY kit anyway, and if your dad has an eye for accuracy he would spot the differences. It's pretty much bang on the same size as the Frank kit.

 

[achilles266]

Thanks for the info it looks like it will be a toss up between the V3 and the PY kit because I don't know if he has done something that complex in resin so I might have to play it safe on this one, it's so hard to choose lol they all look good

Ah, I actually edited that out in my first revision, but my son asked me to put a dinosaur DVD on for him and I didn't get to post it in time. No worries, at first sight it just read, to me, as if you weren't taking people's replies on board. You're new and we do get those misunderstandings happening sometimes with new folks. It's cool.

Check back above as I have popped in a bit more info in my second revision. Thanks for the info you provided, in that case I think the best kit for you is the Salzo V3 or V3.1. It's cheaper than the PY kit anyway, and if your dad has an eye for accuracy he would spot the differences. It's pretty much bang on the same size as the Frank kit.

 

[jedimaster]

If I'd have known you were putting dinosaur movies on I woulda been round this morning. Shoot me your mobile when you get a chance.

Ah, I actually edited that out in my first revision, but my son asked me to put a dinosaur DVD on for him and I didn't get to post it in time. No worries, at first sight it just read, to me, as if you weren't taking people's replies on board. You're new and we do get those misunderstandings happening sometimes with new folks. It's cool.

Check back above as I have popped in a bit more info in my second revision. Thanks for the info you provided, in that case I think the best kit for you is the Salzo V3 or V3.1. It's cheaper than the PY kit anyway, and if your dad has an eye for accuracy he would spot the differences. It's pretty much bang on the same size as the Frank kit.

 

[achilles266]

Just purchased the PY kit, mainly for the easier build and it still looks good hopefully he likes it wish me luck, and thanks for all your help guys