Can anyone identify this Stormtrooper Helmet?

[Tim Allen]

If I were to attempt such a thing, and I wouldn't, I would just do it. If it turned out remotely presentable, I'd be quite content with it and take pictures of it then. I'd certainly not take any pictures of the process for the sole purpose of proving to anyone here that I'm honest and capable. I find it sad that the assumption is I'd have to defend my work. The problem with recasting is that people are quick to condemn it, until it is something from which they can benefit, and then they will look the other way for a bit...

Well I would hope you wouldnt offer it to the public then. If your trying to replicate something very controversial and KNOW you going to get called out for it, you better cover your ass. As crappy as that sounds that an artist has to do something like that in this realm sucks IMO but thats the reality. Anyone whos been on these forums for more than a year knows the debates and debacles had about these helmets.A sculpter, to recreate these helmets from scratch, would be outright nuts not to take some kind of photo evidence of a build up to put down any debates brought up about its origins.

Heres a perfect example that happened to me

A few years ago I produced some fett armor, I had already owned a set of fett pride armor that was ROTJ and I had said in a thread that I was going to modifiy that armor to make it ESB. FP later responded to my comments at a much later date and I did not see them nor respond to them. Probable 6 months to a year later I decieded to sculpt my own armor from scratch and bronze cast it for vaccume forming. Well of course I did all of my work at school and cranked them out in a few days with only a few reference photos of the MoM exibit and of FP armor that I owned for general shape and reference

Fast forward a few months and I started offering my vaccume formed armor piece and I was called out w/out having explained myself and I was heavily questioned by my peers. I had explain the situation of how I didnt end up modifing my FP armor and started from scratch, missed the comments made by FP after mine and luckly I had one photo of my partial armor build up and my name was cleared. That and my armor look nothing like FP's anyways.

Believe me I never made that mistake again and I always take some kind of photos of my work up, especially if I plan to offer it to the community.

 

[TKDUEUNO]

Yes they certainly could.

How do you know, have you tried?

Well, I did.
Same faceplate, same angle, different focal lenght:

Originals:

Overlayed:

Even with an extreme difference in focal lenght, far smaller than that in my previous overlay, you can easily see that the difference in the profile is neglegible.

 

[defstartrooper]

Well I would hope you wouldnt offer it to the public then. If your trying to replicate something very controversial and KNOW you going to get called out for it, you better cover your ass. As crappy as that sounds that an artist has to do something like that in this realm sucks IMO but thats the reality. Anyone whos been on these forums for more than a year knows the debates and debacles had about these helmets.A sculpter, to recreate these helmets from scratch, would be outright nuts not to take some kind of photo evidence of a build up to put down any debates brought up about its origins.

Do you mean like the progress shots TM posted in the past which has already been mentioned several times in this thread ?
Progress shots or not it seems this won't stop you being called a recaster.

He may have recast a face he may not i don't see enough evidence to call it.

Regardless though it seems if you show your work in progress and your work differs in multiple ways to an original you can still be called out for recasting on this forum by some people.

Personally and possibly stupidly i tend to be in the camp of innocent till PROVED guilty, not guilty till proved innocent.

If i were to post up a thread saying one of Gino's Vader helmets is a recast do you suppose he would post detailed photo's and sources for his casts or molds ?
Of course he wouldn't and i wouldn't expect him to.

 

[Qui-Gonzalez]

I want to know what this "GINO won" crap is. GINO did not ban TM. He did not make TM post the images he did, or be the person he was. Sorry TM fans, you will have to do better than that. Stop trying to paint GINO as a villain because he posted a dissenting opinion in regards to the authenticity of TM's "sculpt".

If I am sculpting a "from scratch" trooper, you can bet your ass I will be showing progress pics. I am not the kind of person who would expect people to be naive enough to take my word for things. That's all this guy had to do, but when called out on it, what does he do? Becomes aggressive and attacks his naysayers.

You people need to wake up. GINO may be abbrasive at times, but he did not ban TM. TM's actions banned TM.

 

[defstartrooper]

I want to know what this "GINO won" crap is. GINO did not ban TM. He did not make TM post the images he did, or be the person he was. Sorry TM fans, you will have to do better than that. Stop trying to paint GINO as a villain because he posted a dissenting opinion in regards to the authenticity of TM's "sculpt".

If I am sculpting a "from scratch" trooper, you can bet your ass I will be showing progress pics. I am not the kind of person who would expect people to be naive enough to take my word for things. That's all this guy had to do, but when called out on it, what does he do? Becomes aggressive and attacks his naysayers.

You people need to wake up. GINO may be abbrasive at times, but he did not ban TM. TM's actions banned TM.

Absolutley Gino is not responsible for TM posting what he did.

How many times does it have to be pointed out though that in the past TM did post progress shots, is there some kind of filter on the forum blocking the message getting through to people or what ?

 

[Qui-Gonzalez]

Absolutley Gino is not responsible for TM posting what he did.

How many times does it have to be pointed out though that in the past TM did post progress shots, is there some kind of filter on the forum blocking the message getting through to people or what ?

Weren't those just progress shots of his armor?

 

[rocketeer25]

You can't put a scope/crosshairs image over the picture of another member on this board and not expect to get the boot. I don't think the recasting arguement had anything to do with the guy getting banned. Obviously, that is still an on-going discussion.

Sounds like he sealed the deal all by himself by posting that image.

 

[sskunky]

Thanks Pappy! I needed a laugh!:lol :$:$

Hey Newbie, no offence taken, I take most of what is said on forums with a pinch of salt. We all need a laugh in these discussions at some point. :cool

 

[Newbie Doobie]

I don't think the recasting arguement had anything to do with the guy getting banned.
Sounds like he sealed the deal all by himself by posting that image.

Maybe,maybe not. But,it DID fuel the fire! It's a damn shame that it all came to this! One simple question that was innocently asked,and this is what happens!:unsure It's shameful that a hobby would be taken so seriously!

 

[Newbie Doobie]

Hey Newbie, no offence taken, I take most of what is said on forums with a pinch of salt. We all need a laugh in these discussions at some point. :cool

Thanks sskunky! I know that even I'M guilty of linguistic butchery! Not just on this forum,but at home too!:$ OOOpppsss.............Sorry for the hijack - AGAIN!:$:$

 

[Qui-Gonzalez]

Maybe,maybe not. But,it DID fuel the fire! It's a damn shame that it all came to this! One simple question that was innocently asked,and this is what happens!:unsure It's shameful that a hobby would be taken so seriously!

When you start making money off of your hobby, it no longer becomes a hobby, it becomes a business. There is no maybe not involed here. The guy went over the edge and took a bit of ire he has at GINO to a new level by posting that pic. How DARE GINO question "his sculpt"?!

 

[defstartrooper]

Weren't those just progress shots of his armor?

Helmet too as far as i'm aware i didn't see them myself but others have said they have including Gino earlier in this thread on page 1.

I thought we saw pics of his sculpt...? All stages of it?

Been a few years, though. :unsure

I remember those pics. Looks nothing like what you see now.

 

[Qui-Gonzalez]

Ah...well, I wonder if those images were archived at all.

 

[defstartrooper]

When you start making money off of your hobby, it no longer becomes a hobby, it becomes a business. There is no maybe not involed here. The guy went over the edge and took a bit of ire he has at GINO to a new level by posting that pic. How DARE GINO question "his sculpt"?!

Well i'm sure the constant snipes and accusations from Gino on just about every forum he can register on would get to a lot of people.
It's no excuse though for posting threats and such don't get me wrong, but it's not like there's no provocation.

 

[jts1031]

Well I would hope you wouldnt offer it to the public then. If your trying to replicate something very controversial and KNOW you going to get called out for it, you better cover your ass.

In the time that I've been around, I've most certainly learned to NEVER offer anything to anyone. Anything I've made or acquired has stayed with me. I don't have any interest in getting the approval of anyone else here. As long as I'm happy with it, that's all that matters. I come here to enjoy the work of others, when other people don't get in the way of that.

Heres a perfect example that happened to me

I'm sorry you had to deal with that. But that seems to be a rampant issue in this hobby, in that artists are always needing to assume a defensive posture. It doesn't matter the skill level, as even Mike Verta was accused of misappropriating work. The fact is though, that the most sought after items are those that have been cast off of a screen used item. No matter how you cut it, that is recasting. I don't condone it, but I find it hypocritical that some people would condemn it, while profiting from it at the same time...

 

[Qui-Gonzalez]

Well i'm sure the constant snipes and accusations from Gino on just about every forum he can register on would get to a lot of people.
It's no excuse though for posting threats and such don't get me wrong, but it's not like there's no provocation.

That's a bit much, don't you think? The guy did not even attempt to defend his work, and if you are going to say that I did not do a piece of art, or a sculpture, I am going to be right here battling back at you. I am NOT going to let mouth pieces defend the work *I* did.

 

[defstartrooper]

That's a bit much, don't you think? The guy did not even attempt to defend his work, and if you are going to say that I did not do a piece of art, or a sculpture, I am going to be right here battling back at you. I am NOT going to let mouth pieces defend the work *I* did.

He shouldn't be defending himself from anything Gino should be proving his case.

And i'm sure Gino would be equally as forthcoming with information if he were the one being accused infact we all know he would we've seen it often enough.

 

[Qui-Gonzalez]

He shouldn't be defending himself from anything Gino should be proving his case.

And i'm sure Gino would be equally as forthcoming with information if he were the one being accused infact we all know he would we've seen it often enough.

Well, the thing is GINO proved his case. We heard nothing from TM.

 

[defstartrooper]

Well, the thing is GINO proved his case. We heard nothing from TM.

No he didn't prove anything he gave his opinion that's all.

Just like when someone gave their opinion about one of Gino's Vader helmets and his claims about it's origin.
Funny how threads like that one get shutdown so rapidly isn't it.
I don't remember anyone saying Gino should defend himself infact the accuser got all the stick.

 

[Qui-Gonzalez]

No he didn't prove anything he gave his opinion that's all.

Just like when someone gave their opinion about one of Gino's Vader helmets and his claims about it's origin.
Funny how threads like that one get shutdown so rapidly isn't it.
I don't remember anyone saying Gino should defend himself infact the accuser got all the stick.

He proved it in my eyes. Now, to counter the GINO Vader thing, GINO doesn't give these kinds of pics of his stuff, for whatever reason. There are no super close images of his items.

The other HUGE difference, GINO is not selling any of his Vader wares. He is also no longer offering his Trooper buckets. So, attacking an item that is not for sale is just attacking the person, not the items.