Darth Niob
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Good point.
Can anyone identify this Stormtrooper Helmet?
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exoray
Master Member
Yes
No, never said that to me they point to one of two likely scenarios, of which I believe weigh equal...
1. Original sculpt
2. Clean up and/or changes to an existing form
Read above...
Please show me where TM has even bothered to be part of this discussion here? What I see when I woke up today is that he is banned from here because he flew off the handle or so the staff says... The lack of any defense and the fact for the lack of a better word he threw a temper tantrum, leads me to believe he had something to hide... This type of reaction is almost the picture perfect stereotype skit played out for most guilty recasters in this hobby... I have seen it played out time and time again...
I would say yes, the trooper helmet is a hard sculpt to get "just right" when you look at TM's other parts they are no where near the attention to detail of his helmet, the armor looks like a fan sculpt as I would expect it to... That makes me suspicious as there is a distinct and noticeable varied degree of "accuracy" between his armor and his helmet...
Then why is it there on TM's helmet? If as you say TM is this genious sculpter that can capture the trooper likeness so close he can't see this obvious bump on his prestine sculpt?
The location is telling for me, you claim it moves I don't agree with that IMO any perceived movment is simply a result of lighting angles...
And what are the odds of coincidence of a completely new sculpt having a nearly identical surface abnomality in the same location?
If I was to choose the more likely scenerio I would go with it being overlooked while cleaning then the astronomical improbability of it being recreated on a new sculpt...
Nope, but, subtle tells and minor things to me are very telling in this hobby in regards to recast items since in most cases the recaster is out to cover the obvious signs of recasting, the little missed details are usually what catches my eyes...
Nope but a lot of it is, that is not an opinion but fact...
Sure they can, and there have been many examples, and in most of those cases the artist is more then willing to supply progress pictures, field questions on it's origin and talk up a storm about how he/she did it... Generally an artist is proud his work and will talk about it and defend it to no end, most don't bury their head in ground when questions are asked and then run out the door in a fit...
I'm glad I'm neither...
Bobtherocker
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LOL, touche
So when did TM blow a fuse? how did I miss that and can we see it again?
Seriously though. shame, damn shame.
So when did TM blow a fuse? how did I miss that and can we see it again?
Seriously though. shame, damn shame.
exoray
Master Member
I too missed all the fireworks...
I have no idea what happened, just the announcement that he was banned for a slew of infractions that provided him an express ban... And that is what really put the final nail in the coffin for me...
Newbie Doobie
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You're right,SSkunky! I'm just kidding!:$ Too many off topic posts here,including mine!:lol
defstartrooper
Sr Member
Must be the lawyer coming out cos the statements are changing, they now weigh equal between new sculpt or recast before it was leaning to recast.
Maybe he didn't feel the need to defend himself ? it's no secret there's no love lost between TM and Gino accusations have flown from both directions in the past about eachothers helmets and their origins.
It's all guesswork and supposition of course but then so is your statement.
That's the big thing you keep overlooking the helmet isn't just right it's far from just right.
Use your eyes to look at the helmet rather than Gino's insistance.
Is it there ? it appears to be there on one photo provided by Gino ( the one making accusations real impartial )
And on ONE other painted helmet out of how many dozens that must be out there would you say ?
Show me anther half dozen with it i might be able to take it seriously.
I don't claim it moves go back and look for yourself and we aren't talking .5mm or something.
What are the odds that only two helmets produced out of lord knows how many by TM having this bump ?
And read your own wording "nearly identical" "same location"
It's not even in the same location on the two TM's.
That tell is about as subtle as a lime green suit at a funeral to anyone looking for tells.
Did it catch your eye ? oh i thought it was Gino that posted up about it are you sure it wasn't just Gino saying it that caught your eye ?
I'll let an earlier post by yourself answer this one.
Hardly seems a point posting images again that he has already posted before does there ?
Pappy
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exoray
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No, your question was in regards to the differences in the TM helmet, in this and only this point of why there are differences I believe that both conclusions are viable and equal...
Not that the whole picture is equally weighed, just this one point...
I have and no his helmet isn't just right, it differs, but IMO the subtle and near identical similarities are what bothers me...
Well go get them, as I have said previously based on what has been provided, I draw my conclusions, not on 'what ifs' or stuff I have not seen...
Sorry but what did you exactly mean when you stated "not only does the bump move on the two helmets" ? I really don't have another conclusion except that you stated the bump moves after all you said "not only does the bump move"
Who says only two helmets have this bump? I see nothing presented to support that only two have it, just that two example have been shown... How many have been shown without it?
Already explained what I contribute this to...
Nope I can clearly see it...
Sure something beyond the very early preliminary stages I have seen and more showing his progression towards the final product would go a long way... From a rough sculpt to a final product is a big leap...
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defstartrooper
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Aren't we talking about the TM helmet ?
Maybe you should point a few of these out for me because contours look out from every view posted so far.
Near identical similarities for instance that's a curious phrase surely anyone sculpting anything there will be near identical similarities if it's a decent sculpt ?
If they were absolutely identical thats a different matter.
I'm not the one making the accusation am i tell Gino to go get em.
Check your last quote above you state you base your conclusions on what you have seen and you have only seen two helmets with this bump.
Several people have posted that their helmets do not have it, must be that selective eyesight again.
Hell we have even seen one person say their TE doesn't have a bump.
Lighting yeah, don't know what funky laws of physics apply in your world but in mine lighting doesn't account for the difference in location of two bumps pictured in Gino's first comparison of his and TM's helmet.
Too much of a distance to be shadow play.
Newbie Doobie
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OFF THE KEYBOARD!! ......NOW!!! ........BAD KITTY!
lol
Thanks Pappy! I needed a laugh!:lol :$:$
runnriottt
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Ill post one last time, although I said I wouldn't...
Its all moot now. Gino won, TM is banned. It doesn't matter if his helmet is recast or sculpted, fact is Gino got what he wanted. He pushed us all in to posting up pics, twisting things around and ridiculing others to lower their standards to his even though from the get go Gino is always right. I am even guilty of mudslinging in this crud.
Karma has a way Gino. Spitting hate a fire will some day turn around on you.
Gino is doing this for we allow him to. The RPF itself is putting up with it.
You are right Def... Only 2 helmets had the bump. And of that one never identified. Who is to say if that was even a TM lid? But though 7 pages of nastiness that bump pushed TM over the edge for Gino's accusations can do that to people. Damn. Not a single helmet of anyone that posted here has the damn bump. Hero or Stunt, old or new. Save for Ghosts painted one. I pulled my pics though, they are not needed any more. Its over.
It hasn't been the first time, Look back at Gino's topics. He has done this before. The called out GH and DarkShadow. These were before my time here, but it is easy to go review them. The cry was then that it was bad form. No more "smoking gun" evidance presented here than those threads, but in the end TM cracked.
Shame really. You could post quotes from those threads right here and they would fit right in. From the same folk in a lot of cases.
Yippee Gino. Sis Boom Bah.
Its all moot now. Gino won, TM is banned. It doesn't matter if his helmet is recast or sculpted, fact is Gino got what he wanted. He pushed us all in to posting up pics, twisting things around and ridiculing others to lower their standards to his even though from the get go Gino is always right. I am even guilty of mudslinging in this crud.
Karma has a way Gino. Spitting hate a fire will some day turn around on you.
Gino is doing this for we allow him to. The RPF itself is putting up with it.
You are right Def... Only 2 helmets had the bump. And of that one never identified. Who is to say if that was even a TM lid? But though 7 pages of nastiness that bump pushed TM over the edge for Gino's accusations can do that to people. Damn. Not a single helmet of anyone that posted here has the damn bump. Hero or Stunt, old or new. Save for Ghosts painted one. I pulled my pics though, they are not needed any more. Its over.
It hasn't been the first time, Look back at Gino's topics. He has done this before. The called out GH and DarkShadow. These were before my time here, but it is easy to go review them. The cry was then that it was bad form. No more "smoking gun" evidance presented here than those threads, but in the end TM cracked.
Shame really. You could post quotes from those threads right here and they would fit right in. From the same folk in a lot of cases.
Yippee Gino. Sis Boom Bah.
Tim Allen
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The thing that bothers me is lack of photo evidence on a build up. Ive sculpted many things before and not taken photos of them but if I were going to try and sculpt a accurate trooper helmet and I knew the history of it on these forums, wouldnt you WANT to cover your ass by showing progress pictures???? etc etc
Newbie Doobie
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jts1031
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If I were to attempt such a thing, and I wouldn't, I would just do it. If it turned out remotely presentable, I'd be quite content with it and take pictures of it then. I'd certainly not take any pictures of the process for the sole purpose of proving to anyone here that I'm honest and capable. I find it sad that the assumption is I'd have to defend my work. The problem with recasting is that people are quick to condemn it, until it is something from which they can benefit, and then they will look the other way for a bit...
Darth Niob
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Has anybody here an idea what the staff is talking about. Published real life photos?? :confused In this forum. Can someone who knows please send me a PM?
Darth Niob
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And i missed it:lol
Davy Jones
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Yes its a riot. Gino with a crosshair over his face, how clever. Someone really took the high road there.
So thats how TM responds to all this is it? If I wasnt convinced of his guilt before, now I surely am. If he had only made his case for a sculpted helmet in this thread there are many who could have been swayed. But not one comment, not one picture from the man who has everything to gain by defending himself.
Why? Possibly because there is no case?
The kind of hate and immaturity I am seeing here is staggering. And guess what folks, its not coming from Gino. Its coming from you who choose to rub shoulders with people who send hate mail (see the whitearmor threads) and call names like we are in 3rd grade. If its you people and others like you who now own the hobby and are banding together to save us from the big bad Gino then you can have the hobby. I hope you all enjoy each others company until you have need to fight amongst yourselves.
So thats how TM responds to all this is it? If I wasnt convinced of his guilt before, now I surely am. If he had only made his case for a sculpted helmet in this thread there are many who could have been swayed. But not one comment, not one picture from the man who has everything to gain by defending himself.
Why? Possibly because there is no case?
The kind of hate and immaturity I am seeing here is staggering. And guess what folks, its not coming from Gino. Its coming from you who choose to rub shoulders with people who send hate mail (see the whitearmor threads) and call names like we are in 3rd grade. If its you people and others like you who now own the hobby and are banding together to save us from the big bad Gino then you can have the hobby. I hope you all enjoy each others company until you have need to fight amongst yourselves.
TKDUEUNO
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1. Gino didn't won, he just obtained TM to be banned. The case scratchbuild/recasted is still opened.
2. Helmet assembly doesn't change the faceplate's shape or curvature, it just modifies the balance between back and faceplate. You ALWAYS adapt back's width to the faceplate due to their structure, that's simple physics. You can easily try that by yourself, just grab a faceplate or helmet and try squishing it from the sides. This isn't valid for one or two helmets, this is valid for EVERY Stormtrooper helmet.
3. That makes bird's eye views overlay a valuable technique. Small differences in focal lenghts don't modify the profile of the faceplate.
4. By looking at the above pic, which is an overlay of the two pics Gino provided, by matching the faceplates' width and nose we clearly see how the TM is much FLATTER. That's a clear evidence on how IF he sculpted the helmet he didn't manage to get the DEPTH right. The flatness also leads to straighter eyes, a thing already noticed by other members in this thread.
5. The DEPTH is the key here, the third dimension; every sculptor on this board can tell you that it's the hardest thing to nail down, and we can clearly see the differences from the bird's eye views. You can match a sculpt from a precise point of view, but when you move away from it you see the flaws.
6. Gino's main accuse is based on that bump, but he provided a comparison pic in which we only see a small detail, and that's inacceptable. In order to consider his opinion we must see distinct pictures of the entire faceplates and the details photographed in the same place, at the same time, with the same recognisable background or object in the frame, and we can't accept pics if in its properties we can read "adobe Photoshop" or any other editing software's name in the "Software used" field. These are the minimum requirements needed to take a pic for genuine in this damn digital realm.
7. Gino, you haven't answered to my question yet: what would be a smashing evidence that would lead even you to change your mind?
8. The fact that TM didn't defend himself IMHO doesn't count, since it appears that no evidence can change people minds or he simply didn't have the pics needed, might as well get mad and finally say what can't be said on a forum without being banned. Too bad we don't know exactly what happened.
2. Helmet assembly doesn't change the faceplate's shape or curvature, it just modifies the balance between back and faceplate. You ALWAYS adapt back's width to the faceplate due to their structure, that's simple physics. You can easily try that by yourself, just grab a faceplate or helmet and try squishing it from the sides. This isn't valid for one or two helmets, this is valid for EVERY Stormtrooper helmet.
3. That makes bird's eye views overlay a valuable technique. Small differences in focal lenghts don't modify the profile of the faceplate.
4. By looking at the above pic, which is an overlay of the two pics Gino provided, by matching the faceplates' width and nose we clearly see how the TM is much FLATTER. That's a clear evidence on how IF he sculpted the helmet he didn't manage to get the DEPTH right. The flatness also leads to straighter eyes, a thing already noticed by other members in this thread.
5. The DEPTH is the key here, the third dimension; every sculptor on this board can tell you that it's the hardest thing to nail down, and we can clearly see the differences from the bird's eye views. You can match a sculpt from a precise point of view, but when you move away from it you see the flaws.
6. Gino's main accuse is based on that bump, but he provided a comparison pic in which we only see a small detail, and that's inacceptable. In order to consider his opinion we must see distinct pictures of the entire faceplates and the details photographed in the same place, at the same time, with the same recognisable background or object in the frame, and we can't accept pics if in its properties we can read "adobe Photoshop" or any other editing software's name in the "Software used" field. These are the minimum requirements needed to take a pic for genuine in this damn digital realm.
7. Gino, you haven't answered to my question yet: what would be a smashing evidence that would lead even you to change your mind?
8. The fact that TM didn't defend himself IMHO doesn't count, since it appears that no evidence can change people minds or he simply didn't have the pics needed, might as well get mad and finally say what can't be said on a forum without being banned. Too bad we don't know exactly what happened.
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