defstartrooper
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TKDUEUNO i'm sure you can make your point without posting offensive pictures ridiculing disabled people.
Can anyone identify this Stormtrooper Helmet?
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TKDUEUNO
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You're right, sorry, removed.
My point is that if Gino wants to prove something he must use a scientific approach.
Buy a TM and TE2 helmet, 3d scan the faceplates and compare the results LIVE on camera with no edits, post the vid.
Or do a negative of the TE2, pour some alginate or silicone in it and squish the reinforced TM faceplate inside, open up and see the results,
capture everything LIVE on camera with no edits, post the vid.
Pictures don't count, those can be easily edited. I need objectivity, not faith.
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JoeR
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How do we know the pictured 'TM' is even a TM? Gino will lie and make up BS to support his warped meglomaniac viewpoint.:lol
Cue the joke response when he has no factual or scientific argument...
Move along and ignore the propaganda.
Newbie Doobie
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Sorry,Scarfman! That wasn't exactly the point I was trying to make!:$ I meant that Starwars IS the inspiration for this forum! How can you NOT like starwars?!?!?! :confused :confused :confused :confused :confused :confused :confused :confused :confused This is unlike any other movie ever made before it,or since,and it's also the medium that MANY people measure the quality of sci-fi against! There's even a geeky show about how starwars influenced the scientific world on the discovery channel,and is now being shown on Nat Geos' channel! I watched star trek episodes as a kid,and endured the light hearted campiness,and horrible costumes,makeup and fake hair on the show! I guess I'm just NOT a trekkie,and mabe you(jetbeetle)are?
But,THAT'S JUST MY OPINION- NOT an attack!!:angel Please don't take this as such! I know that there are people who like star trek and don't like starwars,and there are those that like starwars that don't like star trek! I'm only here by the grace of all the people that instuituted this forum to begin with,as all my friends have either died,or moved away,and the ones that haven't-don't do models any more! I understand that this is a PROP forum,and I'm extremely lucky to have the chance to get to know all the great,and funny people here! I just want to say thank you to all the people here who have shown their stuff,and shared their guidance along the way! Even though there are times of heated debate - everyone seems to come back to square one. Scarfman,you've been good to me,even when I wasn't,and put my foot in my mouth! :$ And,I hope to be able to extend the courtesy to you for your kindness! Thank you all again! ~ Doobie
GINO
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I think some people let their dislike for me, and their fondness for TM skew their ability to acknowledge the obvious truth in this situation.
It is the people with the ability to shed their personal feelings and look at a situation without prejudice whose opinions are to to be respected.
I think it takes a person with solid integrity and courage to admit publicly that their opinion has changed with the new evidence presented.
Lots of people have said so privately, but not publicly.
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It is the people with the ability to shed their personal feelings and look at a situation without prejudice whose opinions are to to be respected.
I think it takes a person with solid integrity and courage to admit publicly that their opinion has changed with the new evidence presented.
Lots of people have said so privately, but not publicly.
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Newbie Doobie
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Please - DON'T take it to heart Gino! Even though you don't know me,I hold no grudge against you for what you do,even though we share different opinions on recasting. I understand that you obviously know your stuff,and do excellent work! Some people can't agree to disagree,and they'll argue until the bitter end! Just put them on ignore! If this is any consolation?
firebladejedi
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GINO you need to post pictures that show the whole helmet to prove that the lids labelled are what you say they are. Showing half and inch of a vocoda is not proof.
My TM faceplate does not have this bump. It is as smooth as a baby's arse.
For some who still remain skeptical, here something for you to chew on.
Here's a comparison of the TM, screen used Brian R. and one of my helmets. Of course, not all at the exact same angle, but sufficient for this demonstration.
There's a little bump (one of many) found on the Brian R (which is the mother of all screen used ANH helmet derivatives) that can clearly be seen on my helmet.
You can also see this bump on the TM.
How could this be if his was sculpted from scratch?
His has been heavily cleaned up, sanded, modified, but you can still see what's left of that detail on his that hasn't been totally removed.
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My TM faceplate does not have this bump. It is as smooth as a baby's arse.
sskunky
Sr Member
I started this thread to find out some info on a lid I had no info on, I got that info and suddenly this has turned into a fierce debate yet again completely off track to what was in discussion in the first place.
We have all been in the debate of recasting before and the same old ground keeps getting walked over.
This was not a discussion about TM but about VT and that has been done.
We have all been in the debate of recasting before and the same old ground keeps getting walked over.
This was not a discussion about TM but about VT and that has been done.
TKDUEUNO
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I don't dislike you, I dislike your behaviour.
The only obvious truth is that you can't support your opinion with scientific evidence.
Again, this is like the clash between faith and reason, science and religion.
I prefer this life to a promised shiny afterlife, I prefer TM's helmet over yours, I prefer things I can have instead of things I can't, things I can see instead of invisible ones, so I can judge by myself.
You have the best SW props in the world? You're the one? Ok, you did well your homework, but you're not contributing positively to this hobby in any way, you never did, you're just doing this for yourself.
And my just-arrived TM doesn't have ANY bumps.
Sorry sskunky, I couldn't resist this time.
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GINO
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Can't do it. The person who shared the images does not want to possibly be outed.
But if you think that I would fabricate something like this, then you don't know me, and two, your opinion is already solidified regardless.
Some people will never admit they were wrong or back down from a position regardless of whatever 'proof' is supplied. Those people have no integrity and are not to be respected.
Then again, in most cases (not all) but most of the people supporting TM in this regard are known recaster supporters.
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But if you think that I would fabricate something like this, then you don't know me, and two, your opinion is already solidified regardless.
Some people will never admit they were wrong or back down from a position regardless of whatever 'proof' is supplied. Those people have no integrity and are not to be respected.
Then again, in most cases (not all) but most of the people supporting TM in this regard are known recaster supporters.
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Tim Allen
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Yeh well dont be surprised as this debate about Stormtrooper helmets has been beaten and bloodied a 1000s times before in alot longer threads than this.
sskunky
Sr Member
I am well aware of this and not just here!!!:lol
firebladejedi
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If you cant share the whole pics than the debate is dead.
Are these comments direceted towards me or TKdueuno?
Are these comments direceted towards me or TKdueuno?
firebladejedi
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So which recasters do i support?
sskunky
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Can someone open a window.:lol
GINO
Sr Member
Actually the debate was over for the experts when we saw his first pics long ago.
It's the people not as dedicated to trooper research who need the diagrams/comparisons. Some people need to have it pointed out to them.
Some people just don't WANT to believe it.
How do you convince those people?
You can't.
I realize this, so I'm pointing this stuff out for those who place the truth over their personal feelings.
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It's the people not as dedicated to trooper research who need the diagrams/comparisons. Some people need to have it pointed out to them.
Some people just don't WANT to believe it.
How do you convince those people?
You can't.
I realize this, so I'm pointing this stuff out for those who place the truth over their personal feelings.
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ItsThatGuy
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Not hot enough for me to cook some popcorn...but it's getting warm!
GINO, What part of the TM helmet is a recast? Is it just the helmet or armor peices?
I'd like to hear what TM has to say about all of this.
Darth_Finger
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Trooper threads make for some good reading. Very interesting stuff.
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