Calling out Nicksdad PPG deal gone bad-RESOLVED 12/3/10

[Eyes Only]

So I'm calling out Nicksdad because he has failed to hold up his end of a deal.

Back when Gary did his first run of metal PPGs (January 2009) I told him I had a casting. He asked if it was from Starbuc which I told him it was (this was verified in emails from "Starbuc" Terry and was the prerequisite for the deal that it came from Starbuc) The deal was a machined version for using mine as a basis.

Flash forward to October 2009 when I check with Gary and congratulate him on the nice job he did. Now Gary informs me that he has talked to Terry and has claimed that I did not get the PPG I sent to Gary from Terry and that I recast Terry's PPG and sent that to Gary. I sent 2 emails from Terry to Gary showing that the PPG I sent Gary did indeed come from Terry along with 2 holsters.

After these emails were sent to Gary he still needs to confirm with Terry that those are Terry's real castings which the emails and Paypal receipt proove they are. He then claims that Terry says they are recasts of his which is total BS since the emails sent to Gary from Terry proove they came from Terry and if anybody recast them it was Terry.

He has claimed that he would send me one of his machined ones but has yet to follow through. The last communication I had with him was 6/7/10 and he has since ignored my PM's.

The main point is I made a good faith deal with Gary and I expect him to follow through with the deal.

I bring this up now because I don't want the person who has "loaned him" their Crusade PPG for him to borrow to suffer the same fate I have.

I expect Gary to follow through with the agreed upon deal we had, send me a machined PPG and my original PPG I sent him like we agreed on and be done with this once and for all.

For anybody needing proof I have all of the old PMs/emails between Gary and I to back up my side of the story.

now it's up to Gary to finish this.

Lowell

 

[EvilRocketeer]

Re: Calling out Nicksdad PPG deal gone bad

what is a ppg?

 

[Invicta]

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what is a ppg?

PPG (an acronym for Phased Plasma Gun) from Babylon 5

PPG - The Babylon Project - Babylon 5, DVD, Babylon Five

Hope this helps,
Malc

 

[Eyes Only]

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moving back to page 1

 

[Kerr Avon]

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Little concerned about how this could impact the Crusade PPG run. I know he wanted to start that soon.. I wouldn't mind hearing from the other party on what's going on here.

Hint.

Hint.

 

[EvilRocketeer]

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I am surprised not a lot of members have commented in this thread. Usually, when members have deals that gone wrong with fellow members. Tons of people comment inside the thread...

What makes this situation any different to be avoided?

 

[Lichtbringer]

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Interesting question - i think they are concerned to get no place on the list of one of his runs.

 

[Jm419]

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Interesting question - i think they are concerned to get no place on the list of one of his runs.

Now that's odd. It'd be a fairly unethical practice for him to prevent people from signing up...and it'd be a red flag if he did.

 

[Lichtbringer]

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I didn´t say "he would" - just that the people seem to be afraid of him doing that.



My opinion on the story is easy (if the told is all correct the way we can read it): The 2 had a deal, one of them fulfilled his part - one not. No matter anything else, they had a deal.

Anything else is a different story - that should be handled for it´s own from the 2 other guys, if needed.

 

[kca832]

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I hate when this happens. It does sound like "Nicksdad" did fail to keep his word

 

[Mercury]

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Well, I've dealt with Nicksdad one time and it went off without a hitch but that has no bearing on this deal as we've seen in the past. It appears we have 2 people claiming 2 different responses from one person. It would be very easy to resolve this if Starbuc would just post here setting the record straight on which is the correct version. He was last on earlier today.

 

[101radioman]

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No real need to comment. Have not had any problems dealing with Nicksdad on the PPG run, he got the funds I got a PPG. Thiis is more a situation that should remain between parties involved it has no real bearing on anyone else.

 

[Vaderman]

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I have had a few dealings with Gary and they have all gone well. I am surprised by what happened here, but, of course, we are only seeing one side of it.

I couldn't care much less about PPGs from B5 or Crusades, so no danger there for me.

I would like to hear Gary's side of it though and the third party, Starbuc. Just to see what they say or bring to light.

 

[starbuc]

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First of all, this is a issue between Lowell and Gary.
I was not involved in any deal they made between each other concerning a PPG kit.
I just want to make sure everyone, including Lowell knows that up front.

When it comes to the castings that Lowell sent Gary, yes, Gary did send one to me and yes, I told him that I did not think it was one of mine. When I compared it to some old castings of the kits I once sold (I still had some 2nds), they were a bit smaller than mine, so I told him I thought they may have been a recast (people have been recasting both the kits and the solid castings I used to sell for years).
Now did I sell Lowell a couple of kits in the past, yes. I do not deny that. But the parts that Gary sent me did not look enough like one of my kits for me to tell him with 100% certainty that it was one of mine, plain and simple.
And as for recasting one of my own kits, why would I do that? I still have my original prop and could make a 1st generation casting any time I chose.

And one more thing. Just in case anyone is wondering if I got a kit from Gary.
Yes, I got a kit, but I PAID for it, just like everyone else did. I DID NOT get anything from Gary for free (well, okay, he did send me an extra power cap for free). Yes, I only paid his cost, but the bottom line is that I did pay for the kit I got, and Gary can confirm that.
And I did a lot more than send him a casting to help the PPG run be completed. I sent him exact measurements and photos of my original prop, and answered just about everything he could think to ask about the prop. In short I did everything short of sending him my original prop in order to get the kits to be as close to the real deal as possible. But in the end, I still paid for my kit.

I had no personel gain by telling Gary that I did not think the casting that Lowell sent him was one of mine. It was not a conspiracy between myself and Gary to shut Lowell out of any agreement between the two of them. If I had thought it was one of my castings, I would have told Gary so. Because either way, it had no effect on what he and I agreed too.

So that was my involvement with the run. What is going on between Lowell and Gary now is between the two of them. Hopefully they can get it worked out.

Terry

 

[Eyes Only]

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And Gary stands by the fact that you said that they did not come from you and were recasts of yours. The one I sent him "IS" one I got from you plain and simple. Now I don't hold you responsible for any of this but this is what Gary has stated.

Now I don't care what you helped him with as far as measurements or anything else but the simple fact is this:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Eyes Only
found all of my PPG's I've got 3 from starbuc. I'll put together the best one out of the bunch for you.

Lowell

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nicksdad
Sounds good, as long as it is the kit Starbuc sold molded from an original Casey Losey gun.

Thanks,
Gary

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nicksdad
Hi Lowell,
I can trade you a machined version, but you will have to get your
own pachmyer grips. The machining is very costly. If this is agreeable,
please send it to me asap. If not, please let me know so I can start a
thread and see if anyone else has one.If it's a go, my address is:
(ADDRESS REMOVED)

Thanks,
Gary


The PPG was sent to Gary and that's the whole basis for this thread. We had a deal straight up. One machined PPG kit for the use of one I got from you as a basis for his study.

Gary didn't follow through plain and simple.

 

[starbuc]

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Lowell,
While you say you do not hold me responsible for any of this, if that was the case, you would not have brought me into it by using my name in your original post, and causing me to defend myself and my decision to the people who have read this thread.
So if you truly don't hold me responsible for any of this, remove my name from the thread, and just keep it between you and Gary.

Terry

 

[Mercury]

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Terry,
I did not intend for my post to imply you might have had some kind of responsibility in this and if you took it that way, I sincerely apologize. I just thought you could clarify exactly what was said to Gary since he hasn't posted anything yet.

 

[starbuc]

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Terry,
I did not intend for my post to imply you might have had some kind of responsibility in this and if you took it that way, I sincerely apologize. I just thought you could clarify exactly what was said to Gary since he hasn't posted anything yet.

Mercury,
Not to worry, I did not take you post that way.

However, Lowell's original post to be quite honest cannot be taken any other way. By using my name/RPF screen name, not once by several times, and basically accusing me of lying about the castings he sent Gary,

"He then claims that Terry says they are recasts of his which is total BS since the emails sent to Gary from Terry prove they came from Terry and if anybody recast them it was Terry.",

Lowell is implying that I had something to do with this issue and I really don't appreciate it.
What happened between Lowell and Gary is between the two of them. I should not have been thrown in the middle of all this mess.

Terry

 

[Eyes Only]

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I'm not implying you had anything to do with it period! I didn't say that you lied about the castings.

It's going to come out in the posts that you were basically the main point of why Gary wanted to the PPG because it came from you.

If you want me to say it again I'll say it.

"I'm saying right now Terry/Starbuc, had anything to do with this deal gone bad."

Mercury,
Not to worry, I did not take you post that way.

However, Lowell's original post to be quite honest cannot be taken any other way. By using my name/RPF screen name, not once by several times, and basically accusing me of lying about the castings he sent Gary,

"He then claims that Terry says they are recasts of his which is total BS since the emails sent to Gary from Terry prove they came from Terry and if anybody recast them it was Terry.",

Lowell is implying that I had something to do with this issue and I really don't appreciate it.
What happened between Lowell and Gary is between the two of them. I should not have been thrown in the middle of all this mess.

Terry

 

[Lichtbringer]

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Terry,

i think none of us takes you in any way for responsible - your name is just in the discussion cause Nicksdad argued that he based his decision on your estimation. Thats why i mentioned above this is a thing between the two - and maybe another (recast-) thing between you and the thread-opener. 2 different things.


No matter what - the two had a deal, one delivered. The second used the delivered part, created and sold the stuff. He made his gain on the transaction, no matter the history of the cast - so i see no way he can argue not to fulfill his part?