BTTF question

[Wes R]

Okay in part 2 Biff goes back and creates the alternate 1985 when he hands over the almanac to his younger self and then he falls over dead back in 2015 when he brings the car back. If they went back and changed things back to restore the timeline would Biff still be dead in 2015 or would have it changed things enough that he survived?
To me common sense would say he'd still be dead because they would have had to have prevented him from going back in the first place to stop his heart attack. I know I'm over thinking this one but I love these kinds of questions.

 

[jnjoker100]

No, he wouldnt have died. The timeline of events that took place that lead up to his death would be different. Instead of getting out of a car or being on his feet he could have been sitting down infront of a tv which wouldnt elevate his heart rate (unless he was watching batman, sorry random family guy quote)

 

[Deric]

I thought 80's Biff died of a gunshot wound by Lorraine. The pain 2015 Biff was in was the pain of being erased. Similar to what happened to Marty while he was playing guitar in part 1. He didn't have a heart attack. To answer your other question once the almanac was destroyed none of the events that made Biff powerful happened. He never married Lorraine and thus wasn't killed so old Biff would have returned to 2015 and found nothing changed.

 

[JLeezy23]

If u got the dvd, on the commentary they say since he became rich, Lorraine shot him sometime in the 90's. In the deleted scene he dissolves from being erased. But since they restored the timeline, he never got shot cuz he wasnt with Lorraine

they cut the scene cuz it woulda confused people in theaters

 

[mac malloy]

In the original (longer) scene it isn't a heart attack but he fades (like Marty in BTTF1 playing the guitar on the stage), as the rich Biff "might" be shot somewhen years before the new 2015 in the 1985A timeline by Marty's mother somewhen. They deleted/shortened that scene as the test audience didn't get it why he would fade after returning to 2015...

 

[Wes R]

I wasn't sure if it was a heart attack or not, i thought the commentary mentioned it then again if i was being erased it probably would give me one lol. I feel sorry for whoever biff marries in the 80s to end up having Griff as a grandson. Biff can't get a break in any era but after the expanded history they did for the new game I can see why.

 

[Too Much Garlic]

I just took it that he got a heart attack because he saw the future hadn't changed from when he left it, which means he realized he failed and it's because of the actions of Marty and Doc for the remainder of the movie, setting things right.

He realized that instead of bringing the car back to Marty and Doc in the future, he should have destroyed the time machine.

Though... the fact that he returned to the regular future and not the Biff Tannen pimped out future... sorta ruins the whole rest of the movie because it doesn't make sense.

 

[JLeezy23]

Funny it never shows his wife or Tiff Tannen. I bet his wife is an ugly version of Lorraine haha

 

[JLeezy23]

I got a Biff question, how come his voice is all raspy n stuff in 1985A but is all high in the regular timeline and then raspy in 2015?

 

[Too Much Garlic]

Alcohol.

 

[Wes R]

I just took it that he got a heart attack because he saw the future hadn't changed from when he left it, which means he realized he failed and it's because of the actions of Marty and Doc for the remainder of the movie, setting things right.

He realized that instead of bringing the car back to Marty and Doc in the future, he should have destroyed the time machine.

Though... the fact that he returned to the regular future and not the Biff Tannen pimped out future... sorta ruins the whole rest of the movie because it doesn't make sense.

That or time travel puts stress on you and if you have a bad ticker you're done for. I think Biff's voice was due to age and his life styles.

 

[Jet Beetle]

Bob Gale went into great detail of how he and Zemeckis felt the timeline worked in an issue of Starlog (I believe) - he said the timeline doesn't fix in place for the person who changed it until there is no way he or she can't change it back. Marty was fading out of existence as George walked away from giving Loraine the kiss on the dance floor - the kiss made her fall in love and want to spend the rest of their lives together. Old Biff only fades as the Delorean takes off and leaves, meaning he now had no way to go back and get the book back and reset the timeline . So as long as there's a way of setting things straight, you have a shot - but when the opportunity vanishes - so do you.

 

[micdavis]

I love the BTTF movies, but I object to the fact that they never return to their proper time.

Marty's parents should be losers and he has no 4x4.

 

[Too Much Garlic]

Bob Gale went into great detail of how he and Zemeckis felt the timeline worked in an issue of Starlog (I believe) - he said the timeline doesn't fix in place for the person who changed it until there is no way he or she can't change it back. Marty was fading out of existence as George walked away from giving Loraine the kiss on the dance floor - the kiss made her fall in love and want to spend the rest of their lives together. Old Biff only fades as the Delorean takes off and leaves, meaning he now had no way to go back and get the book back and reset the timeline . So as long as there's a way of setting things straight, you have a shot - but when the opportunity vanishes - so do you.

That's actually a very nice way of explaining these things. :thumbsup

 

[Too Much Garlic]

I love the BTTF movies, but I object to the fact that they never return to their proper time.

Marty's parents should be losers and he has no 4x4.

Yeah, he never returned to his own timeline. And Doc never pushed him to go back and fix that. In fact, he encouraged him not to interfere with the damage he did the first time he went to '55.

 

[TheRealMcFly]

But I do love the look on Doc's face when he replies to Marty telling him George never stood up to Biff in his life.

"Never!?"

LOL, priceless. It was as if Doc had enough thinking about it, and as long as Marty was still standing there in front of him and leaving to go back... he would not think about it again.

I wonder if Doc ever found out Marty had 'improved' his own timeline. In theory, and by the director's own rules, the Doc Marty travels back to the future to save would have witnesses the McFly's own economical success though the course of time and never know otherwise.

Smooth Marty, smooth. Bam! 4x4 and prob some more loot to go round. BUT it was the Doc's advice that had the effect on George, so it all the Doc's fault anyway. Plus, you know he invented time travel. lol.

 

[Jedifyfe]

I love the BTTF movies, but I object to the fact that they never return to their proper time.

Marty's parents should be losers and he has no 4x4.

Why? It was a happy accident that changes his future for the better. Marty's character was a nice simple person that just wanted to do better than his parents. Why not give him a little help? There is nothing wrong with that.

Yeah, he never returned to his own timeline. And Doc never pushed him to go back and fix that. In fact, he encouraged him not to interfere with the damage he did the first time he went to '55.

There is a moment when Doc thinks about the reprocussions of George McFly knocking out Biff but it is near the time have Marty go back to 1985 so he shrugs it off. Most likely he is hoping for the best. Since Marty got caught up in Docs Time Travel experiment from 1985, I have to imagine that 1955 Doc felt responsible for the trouble he put Marty through and let that slide.

I always liked that Marty ended up with a little bonus/gift in the end. He deserved it.

Bob Gale could have easily just made Marty's family rich from the get go and let Marty have no problems and then end up that way when he gets back from 1955 but there needed to be a character arc.

THAT IS HOW GOOD STORIES ARE TOLD...

 

[Treadwell]

I love the BTTF movies, but I object to the fact that they never return to their proper time.

Marty's parents should be losers and he has no 4x4.

...and Doc is dead.

 

[micdavis]

THAT IS HOW GOOD STORIES ARE TOLD...

You need to earn your future, it shouldn't be handed to you, is also a good lesson/story.

Plus they lay that heavy business with Doc wanting it destroyed and they shouldn't be messing with things, then blow it off to let Marty keep the 4x4.

Not a major deal, just bothersome in an otherwise awesome script to be sure.

 

[Agent RayBans]

Here's a question I've had on my mind for a while.

If they stuck the Time Machine on some cinder blocks, so the tires didn't touch the ground, and brought it up to 88 miles per hour, would it still travel through time? I know the cinder blocks would probably disappear, thus depleting the purpose, but I've always wondered if the car has to actually be moving to do Time Travel.