Joe Campbell
Well-Known Member
Wishing we could still browse the Junkyard without signing in...
Can anyone tell me why this option is no longer available?
Can anyone tell me why this option is no longer available?
Browsing The Junkyard Without Signing In
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defstartrooper
Sr Member
This does limit members ability to sell their stuff though, i know most don't do it but some people will post a FS thread with an email contact, if a non member see's that they can obviously contact the seller who can make a choice to sell to them or not.
The only benifit i can see for being member only is to hide projects from the eyes of license holders, and you can bet your last dollar they will find out if anythings going on they wouldn't like anyway( plus most of em have people here anyway).
Other than that i don't see what purpose it serves ?
The only benifit i can see for being member only is to hide projects from the eyes of license holders, and you can bet your last dollar they will find out if anythings going on they wouldn't like anyway( plus most of em have people here anyway).
Other than that i don't see what purpose it serves ?
EvilRocketeer
Master Member
I agree with defstartrooper.
I purchased a few things from the junkyard when I wasnt a full member yet. The sellers left their contact info which made it easy for me to contact them. I would have missed out on great items if they didnt do that.
I understand where rylo is coming from, and I do respect your opinion, but having the junkyard open to newbies and other people. It gives sellers a chance to sell their goods to newbies and have a better chance of selling their product..Especially in this economy, as a seller you want to sell your item for that extra cash in your pocket. This place is a great way to avoid evilbay.
It is very unfortunate for new members. It takes months for open registration than it takes three months more to be a full member..It seems like we are pushing more people away rather than bringing people in that actually want to participate. We make them jump through hoops. We already restrict them from the ot and paper props do we really need to restrict them from another part of the forum?
I purchased a few things from the junkyard when I wasnt a full member yet. The sellers left their contact info which made it easy for me to contact them. I would have missed out on great items if they didnt do that.
I understand where rylo is coming from, and I do respect your opinion, but having the junkyard open to newbies and other people. It gives sellers a chance to sell their goods to newbies and have a better chance of selling their product..Especially in this economy, as a seller you want to sell your item for that extra cash in your pocket. This place is a great way to avoid evilbay.
It is very unfortunate for new members. It takes months for open registration than it takes three months more to be a full member..It seems like we are pushing more people away rather than bringing people in that actually want to participate. We make them jump through hoops. We already restrict them from the ot and paper props do we really need to restrict them from another part of the forum?
defstartrooper
Sr Member
Lets not forget it can work the other way too, sometimes members are looking for items and will leave a wtb thread with a contact address, stopping non members from seeing these threads cuts down the members chance of finding the item they want too.
Just to ensure no one is confused, this change doesn't affect new members, only non-members. However, ER, I totally agree with your comments regarding us pushing people away by having such a limited open registration and such a long time before they become full members. Very well stated. :thumbsup
defstartrooper
Sr Member
It affects all members, it limits who they can sell to and buy from.
I guess i'm just struggling to see a good reason for this, other than to attempt to hide activity from license holders i can't see one and you yourself stated most of those already have a presence here.
With regard to the 90 day restriction on posting in the JY i always assumed this was an attempt to stop someone from registering and posting a run of props for sale then vanishing with everyones money, not to stop people from buying from members.
As a 10 year veteran of the RPF, I applaud this new change as one of the single best decisions that's been made!
I also believe this gives people even more incentive to join our forum. Now, one must be an active member in order to take advantage of everything our community has to offer.
"Membership has it's privileges!"
I don't believe anyone is attempting to "Hide" anything; however, there's a great deal to be said for polite discretion. The RPF's main forum is open for everyone to see and one wouldn't suggest anything need be hidden there.
But, the junkyard is indeed for private transactions between our members.
We don't allow people to list items for non-members so why would there be any concern at all if non-members can see something to purchase it?
They can join like everyone else if they want to participate.
Besides, those who actually get sales by listing their contact information in the junkyard in an effort to reach non members who might just be looking has got to be so infinitesimal that I've wasted time even addressing it.
I stay signed in so I wouldn't have even noticed the change had I not been clued in.
I also believe this gives people even more incentive to join our forum. Now, one must be an active member in order to take advantage of everything our community has to offer.
"Membership has it's privileges!"
I don't believe anyone is attempting to "Hide" anything; however, there's a great deal to be said for polite discretion. The RPF's main forum is open for everyone to see and one wouldn't suggest anything need be hidden there.
But, the junkyard is indeed for private transactions between our members.
We don't allow people to list items for non-members so why would there be any concern at all if non-members can see something to purchase it?
They can join like everyone else if they want to participate.
Besides, those who actually get sales by listing their contact information in the junkyard in an effort to reach non members who might just be looking has got to be so infinitesimal that I've wasted time even addressing it.
I stay signed in so I wouldn't have even noticed the change had I not been clued in.
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WinstonWolf359
Sr Member
I agree with Rylo 100%, this is a great change, and one I've been hoping to see for a very long time.
The Junkyard is for members. People found ways to circumvent that in the past, but that doesn't change the fact the JY is intended for established members, to protect the buyer and the seller.
Virtually all the other message boards I frequent keep their buy/sell areas private as well, so it's not like this is a concept coming out of left field, and I've even seen a few boards that don't allow members to sell unless they've contributed money to the board.
The Junkyard is for members. People found ways to circumvent that in the past, but that doesn't change the fact the JY is intended for established members, to protect the buyer and the seller.
Virtually all the other message boards I frequent keep their buy/sell areas private as well, so it's not like this is a concept coming out of left field, and I've even seen a few boards that don't allow members to sell unless they've contributed money to the board.
defstartrooper
Sr Member
Well again i assume this is to prevent non members advertising stuff for sale and then running off with members money, non members buying stuff from members isn't an issue, most people like to be paid before sending product, at least i've never seen people send out stuff before getting payment.
I always saw the JY's primary purpose as being an outlet for members to sell their stuff, this limits their market, again i just don't see the benefit of this change what is it ?
Gives people incentive to join our forum ? you really want people to join just so they can buy stuff from the JY ?
I don't exactly see a shortage of people joining every time the registration is open and not so they can buy stuff but because they have an interest in props and prop making techniques.
darth_myeek
Sr Member
I hear your point Defstar, but I am a big fan of the Junkyard lock down. Why advertise to commercial enterprise our humble wares? I also see runs as being intellectual property.
Wanted to say I appreciate the hardwork, MODs. When I see changes like this it makes me think there is a plan. :thumbsup
-DM
Wanted to say I appreciate the hardwork, MODs. When I see changes like this it makes me think there is a plan. :thumbsup
-DM
defstartrooper
Sr Member
How many ? it doesn't happen very often and closing the JY won't make a difference other than to make the place look more guilty like it's trying to hide something, which i'm assured it's not but nobody can explain what the reason for shutting down the area to non members is other than to hide from licensees, most of which are already members here and the rest will soon join too so they can see what's going on.
propologist
Sr Member
As newbie that has watched the site for sometime , I like the idea of the junkyard being only for members. I wish I could buy sooner than 3 months which I think is a bit much. I really don't intend on selling anything for quite a while.
Lucky for me I was able to buy Brian's book by just messaging him. The transaction went well and I look forward to more dealings with people.
Lucky for me I was able to buy Brian's book by just messaging him. The transaction went well and I look forward to more dealings with people.
defstartrooper
Sr Member
It's always been for members, only members have ever been able to sell anything there why should it matter who they sell to, and why should this board restrict who they sell to ?
Non members can't make any money from the JY they never have been able to all this does is restrict members chances of making some money.
Granted you might only wish to sell to rpf members and nobody can or should stop you that's your choice but what about those that might like to broaden the opportunity to sell to others ?
Why take their choice away ?
Some projects might not find enough member interest to make a run worthwile if it requires a large signup and numbers may need to be made up from non member buyers.
C+D's are few and far between i could count the number of JY threads i've seen shutdown by C+D on my fingers during the time i've been viewing the JY which is a lot longer than i've been a member.
I don't believe this measure will stop that, as the staff freely admit most licensees are already members and those are not will surely take the opportunity to become members to keep an eye on what they percieve the rpf may be hiding, and most projects either get shown off or start life in the open forum areas anyway.
Non members can't make any money from the JY they never have been able to all this does is restrict members chances of making some money.
Granted you might only wish to sell to rpf members and nobody can or should stop you that's your choice but what about those that might like to broaden the opportunity to sell to others ?
Why take their choice away ?
Some projects might not find enough member interest to make a run worthwile if it requires a large signup and numbers may need to be made up from non member buyers.
C+D's are few and far between i could count the number of JY threads i've seen shutdown by C+D on my fingers during the time i've been viewing the JY which is a lot longer than i've been a member.
I don't believe this measure will stop that, as the staff freely admit most licensees are already members and those are not will surely take the opportunity to become members to keep an eye on what they percieve the rpf may be hiding, and most projects either get shown off or start life in the open forum areas anyway.
